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JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 11:25 AM
Which player would you rather have? A 20 pts, 10 reb guy on 50% FG or 25 pts, 5 reb, and 5 ast guy on 45% FG

The83rdWonder
07-10-2008, 11:27 AM
This is just like a "Would you rather want a star center or a star wing" question..

ink
07-10-2008, 11:34 AM
No question, the 20/10 F/C.

The Melky Way
07-10-2008, 11:35 AM
20/10

quality bigs, are extremely hard to fine and teams ability to rebound and pound the paint win more games than star wing man (who if they do win, usually have a quality low post game from whoever they have at PF/C).

chicagowhitesox
07-10-2008, 11:46 AM
20/10 because I'm a Bulls fan and that's exactly what we're looking for.

TMAC94
07-10-2008, 11:46 AM
20/10

Ph1lly Diehard
07-10-2008, 11:47 AM
20/10 no doubt.

Alot harder to come by

Iodine
07-10-2008, 11:49 AM
20/10

Really is this just would you want [insert star big] or [insert star wing]

lakers4sho
07-10-2008, 11:51 AM
20/10

Is this even debatable? :shrug:

Faneik
07-10-2008, 11:58 AM
25/5/5

The 5 assists means more 10 points to the team + 5 extra scored points = 15 points

I prefer 15 pts in the scoreboard rather than 5 extra rebounds that the 20/10 guy provides...

The way I see it:
15 pts > 5 rebs

SHONIE
07-10-2008, 12:04 PM
25/5/5

The 5 assists means more 10 points to the team + 5 extra scored points = 15 points

I prefer 15 pts in the scoreboard rather than 5 extra rebounds that the 20/10 guy provides...

The way I see it:
15 pts > 5 rebs

I agree with you 100%

Now... If the 20/10 guy averaged 1-3 assists (which he likely would seeing as he's clearly getting plenty of touches) and 1-3 blocks (he's obviously a F/C) then he is probably more valuable.

ink
07-10-2008, 12:05 PM
25/5/5

The 5 assists means more 10 points to the team + 5 extra scored points = 15 points

I prefer 15 pts in the scoreboard rather than 5 extra rebounds that the 20/10 guy provides...

The way I see it:
15 pts > 5 rebs

I disagree. The rebounds are far more valuable. For example, the 15 points could be at the expense of ball movement to the rest of the team, or they could be five x 3 pointers. Anyone who cheers for a jump happy three point shooting team can attest to how cold that kind of offense can get when the shots aren't falling. Those 5 rebounds mean 5 key series where your team gets extra possessions. It's about possessions in the NBA. If you consistently have the edge in possessions, you can dominate the other team and control the tempo of the game.

JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 12:24 PM
20/10

Is this even debatable? :shrug:

I wanted to see how people think regarding the situation instead of just mentioning particular players. Also wanted to see which one happens more often.

For example,

Guys who averaged 25-5-5 Last year were Kobe and LeBron

Guys who usually average 20 and 10 are Duncan, KG, Boozer, Yao, Dwight


Now that this has been brought up, I think everyone will just vote for the other group now.
LMAO.

Iodine
07-10-2008, 12:26 PM
JB said the K word :pity:

ratatat
07-10-2008, 12:28 PM
no, kobe and lebron score usually 30 points and get at least 6 boards/assists. so yea there is a difference

JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 12:31 PM
no, kobe and lebron score usually 30 points and get at least 6 boards/assists. so yea there is a difference

It doesn't matter if a player can score that, examples were used based on the criteria specified which is 25/5/5 on 45% or 20/10 on 50%. The names of the players was to give an idea of what type of guys have met that criteria.

Ragun
07-10-2008, 12:33 PM
I say 20/10. Bigs are rare.

Raptors27
07-10-2008, 12:35 PM
20/10 unless its LeBron that is 25/5/5

SHONIE
07-10-2008, 12:53 PM
If the 20/10 guy averaged 1-3 assists (which he likely would seeing as he's clearly getting plenty of touches) and 1-3 blocks (he's obviously a F/C) then he is probably more valuable.

Vidball
07-10-2008, 01:01 PM
It doesn't matter if a player can score that, examples were used based on the criteria specified which is 25/5/5 on 45% or 20/10 on 50%. The names of the players was to give an idea of what type of guys have met that criteria.

Doesn't the players game mean anything though? Is Defense important? Winning? If you were gonna go just off of pts/reb/ast, LeBron just had a better season than a few of Jordan's seasons where he won titles.

Are we comparing MJ with Zach Randolph here or are we comparing Vince Carter with Tim Duncan?

JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 01:04 PM
Doesn't the players game mean anything though? Is Defense important? Winning? If you were gonna go just off of pts/reb/ast, LeBron just had a better season than a few of Jordan's seasons where he won titles.

If you are specifying players in general you include everything, but in a general sense of the term of qualifying factors which in this case is based on criteria of above information then you have to decide which is better to have.

Vidball
07-10-2008, 01:06 PM
^^^Then you can't really equate this poll with players, can you? If thats the case, I go for 20/10

JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 01:08 PM
^^^Then you can't really equate this poll with players, can you? If thats the case, I go for 20/10

It's just a general poll of which you would take. I only used names to show which guys have met the criteria of the above information.

Vidball
07-10-2008, 01:39 PM
^ Who would you take?
For me, it's too hard not to go big when given the choice.

FOBolous
07-10-2008, 02:24 PM
so what if the 20/10 guy is Zach Randolph and the 25/5/5 guy is Dwayne Wade?

:p

Canucklehead
07-10-2008, 02:38 PM
How many of those 10 boards would have been grabbed up by other players on your team anyway. It really all depends on what your team lacks the most of.

Canucklehead
07-10-2008, 02:40 PM
crap sorry

NJrockPD
07-10-2008, 02:46 PM
20/10 because I'm a Bulls fan and that's exactly what we're looking for.

Exactly

b530
07-10-2008, 02:50 PM
It depends on the team needs, but 20/10 I guess.

JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 02:51 PM
^ Who would you take?
For me, it's too hard not to go big when given the choice.

Depends on how you look at it. You can base it on whatever you like. Some decided to base it on team needs so they decided for the 20 and 10 guy. Nothing in particular was mentioned of who is greater, just which one is better to have.

rriders9
07-10-2008, 02:51 PM
20/10, big men win championships. 8 of the last ten championships have been won by Tim Duncan or Shaq

midwestmadman
07-10-2008, 02:51 PM
I disagree with all the 20/10 talk, seriosuly Chris Kamen in the right offense is a 20/10 guy I understand that a good C is hard to come by these days but that is bc most of what we used to call Centers are playing the 4 spot now (Garnett, Sheed, Duncan, though Sheed played C last year and was over matched on most nights), but the fact remains there were 10 guys in the league that were putting up those numbers nearly night in and night out (Howard, A. Jefferson, D. West, Amare', Duncan, Aldridge, Jamison, and Boozer etc,) I know I'd love to have any of those guys on my team, however in all of the NBA last year only two players achieved 25+ 5+ and 5+ for season averages. Those two players were Lebron, and Kobe! I would rather have Lebron or Kobe over any of those other names all things considered. when you have a guy that can score rebound and find the open man you can find a guy that will put up 20/10 pretty easily. Kobe had Gasol, and Odom, two guys that on any given night could have had 20-10. Lebron is a different story, the man needs some legit help, he can get the rebounds out of Wallace and Ilgauskas, but they need another low post player that can score the ball. Can you imagine if they could have found a way to keep Boozer!

midwestmadman
07-10-2008, 02:52 PM
I disagree with all the 20/10 talk, seriosuly Chris Kamen in the right offense is a 20/10 guy I understand that a good C is hard to come by these days but that is bc most of what we used to call Centers are playing the 4 spot now (Garnett, Sheed, Duncan, though Sheed played C last year and was over matched on most nights), but the fact remains there were 10 guys in the league that were putting up those numbers nearly night in and night out (Howard, A. Jefferson, D. West, Amare', Duncan, Aldridge, Jamison, and Boozer etc,) I know I'd love to have any of those guys on my team, however in all of the NBA last year only two players achieved 25+ 5+ and 5+ for season averages. Those two players were Lebron, and Kobe! I would rather have Lebron or Kobe over any of those other names all things considered. when you have a guy that can score rebound and find the open man you can find a guy that will put up 20/10 pretty easily. Kobe had Gasol, and Odom, two guys that on any given night could have had 20-10. Lebron is a different story, the man needs some legit help, he can get the rebounds out of Wallace and Ilgauskas, but they need another low post player that can score the ball. Can you imagine if they could have found a way to keep Boozer!

DrDEADalready
07-10-2008, 03:26 PM
I would say 20/10. is far more important. because of the fact that rebounds are extremly important in the league. because those rebouds are either. taking second chance points away from the other team. or creating second chance points for your team. so 20/10 all the way no question.

SHONIE
07-10-2008, 03:39 PM
A 20/10 guy is NOT just a 20/10 guy. Any legit 20/10 guy is a focal point of the offense and defense. He will have 1-3 assists, 1-3 blocks, and probably 1-2 steals. That is much more valuable than just saying 20/10. So the 20/10 guy is much more important.

SHONIE
07-10-2008, 03:41 PM
20/10, big men win championships. 8 of the last ten championships have been won by Tim Duncan or Shaq

and the other two championship teams(pistons and celtics) both had pretty nice big men themselves...

FOBolous
07-10-2008, 03:43 PM
so what if the 20/10 guy is Zach Randolph and the 25/5/5 guy is Dwayne Wade...who would yall choose?

Iodine
07-10-2008, 03:44 PM
so what if the 20/10 guy is Zach Randolph and the 25/5/5 guy is Dwayne Wade...who would yall choose?
And what if the 20/10 guy is duncan and the 25/5/5 is VC

FOBolous
07-10-2008, 03:47 PM
And what if the 20/10 guy is duncan and the 25/5/5 is VC

so what does this tell you? #s isn't everything. This poll is pointless unless we know who's the player that we're talking about.

Chronz
07-10-2008, 03:52 PM
so what does this tell you? #s isn't everything. This poll is pointless unless we know who's the player that we're talking about.
It tells me that these numbers are incomplete, Duncan's 20-10 is so much different and better than Z-Bo's 20-10. Wade and VC's #'s couldnt be anymore different. Simply put there is not enough info on how they got their stats to make a good comparison.

SHONIE
07-10-2008, 03:52 PM
so what does this tell you? #s isn't everything. This poll is pointless unless we know who's the player that we're talking about.

This is just a discussion about who you would pick in general based on numbers not on intangibles.

18colts29
07-10-2008, 04:01 PM
Those 10 rebounds could lead to 20 points, or even up to 30 points if they are all 3s. They could also be defensive rebounds and stop the other team from scoring. 20/10 guy anyday

ink
07-10-2008, 04:30 PM
I wanted to see how people think regarding the situation instead of just mentioning particular players. Also wanted to see which one happens more often.

For example,

Guys who averaged 25-5-5 Last year were Kobe and LeBron

Guys who usually average 20 and 10 are Duncan, KG, Boozer, Yao, Dwight


Now that this has been brought up, I think everyone will just vote for the other group now.
LMAO.

No disrespect to Lebron or Kobe, but I would still rather have Duncan, KG, Boozer, Yao or Dwight. Even the two best wing players in the game are nowhere near as important to a team as some of the bigs you listed. I know they are easily the MVP's of their teams and of the league, but having a wing player that dominates the team seems to cause such imbalance in the team (and that's NOT a knock on their character or anything else) it's just not worth it.

_Sn1P3r_
07-10-2008, 05:45 PM
It tells me that these numbers are incomplete, Duncan's 20-10 is so much different and better than Z-Bo's 20-10. Wade and VC's #'s couldnt be anymore different. Simply put there is not enough info on how they got their stats to make a good comparison.

I agree. It's also what they bring that doesn't show up on the boxscore.

sanfranfan1210
07-10-2008, 07:15 PM
I would go with the 25/5/5 guy

Goon.Weezy
07-10-2008, 07:52 PM
25/5/5

The 5 assists means more 10 points to the team + 5 extra scored points = 15 points

I prefer 15 pts in the scoreboard rather than 5 extra rebounds that the 20/10 guy provides...

The way I see it:
15 pts > 5 rebs


AGREED.......nice reasoning:clap::hi5:

wwwhat
07-10-2008, 08:40 PM
25/5/5, if this player is the sole player on the team that's above average. The way I see it, if this player is consistently facing double teams due to the fact that his team mates are incompetent, then the 25/5/5 player has a far better chance of succeeding than the 20/10. Odds are, the 20/10 will get most of his points by backing his opponent down in the paint while the 25/5/5 can usually slash his way into the paint (a la D-Wade/LeBron). The way I see it, cutting between 2 guys is easier than backing down 1 while another wrestles the ball out of your hands.

Iodine
07-10-2008, 08:42 PM
25/5/5, if this player is the sole player on the team that's above average. The way I see it, if this player is consistently facing double teams due to the fact that his team mates are incompetent, then the 25/5/5 player has a far better chance of succeeding than the 20/10. Odds are, the 20/10 will get most of his points by backing his opponent down in the paint while the 25/5/5 can usually slash his way into the paint (a la D-Wade/LeBron). The way I see it, cutting between 2 guys is easier than backing down 1 while another wrestles the ball out of your hands.

Which is why you expect the guys slashing to have better FG% right? Not like Tim duncan has a higher FG% than kobe

Iodine
07-11-2008, 12:33 AM
no the why kobe is better than MJ thread is the worst thread ever

yojoe792
07-11-2008, 12:35 AM
Zach Randolph vs. Caron Butler???

No need to answer that.

Davisayan
07-11-2008, 12:38 AM
i'll take the 20 and 10

ink
07-11-2008, 12:39 AM
AGREED.......nice reasoning:clap::hi5:

Reasoning?? :confused: What reasoning? Scoring points is not that hard for a lot of teams. Playing excellent defense, getting extra possessions and winning big games is incredibly hard. Do THAT math.

TheFuture6
07-11-2008, 05:11 AM
Reasoning?? :confused: What reasoning? Scoring points is not that hard for a lot of teams. Playing excellent defense, getting extra possessions and winning big games is incredibly hard. Do THAT math.

None of the stats in this thread have anything to do with defense...

Seattle
Houston
Denver
Golden State
Indiana
Dallas
Chicago
New York

Guess what these teams have in common?

All of them were in the top 10 rebounding teams in the league (getting extra possesions), they sure won a bunch of big games, didn't they?

Faneik
07-11-2008, 05:35 AM
Anyone who cheers for a jump happy three point shooting team can attest to how cold that kind of offense can get when the shots aren't falling.

I fail to see why you assume the 25/5/5 guy is on a 3-point shooters team.


Playing excellent defense, getting extra possessions and winning big games is incredibly hard.

So only the 20/10 guy can be a lockdown defender and provide the ability to win big games...:confused:


Do THAT math.

Comparing the stat lines JordansBulls provided:

25/5/5 --> 25 pts + 5 rebs + 5 assists(=10 pts) --> 35 pts and 5 possessions

20/10 --> 20 pts + 10 rebs --> 20 pts and 10 possessions

25/5/5 is responsible for 35 pts to his team (+15 than the 20/10 guy)

20/10 gets you 5 more possessions than 25/5/5


15 pts > 5 rebs ? The way I see it , yes...

Best Realistic Scenario: 15 pts=5 rbs --> if those 5 extra possessions are ALL 3-point plays in offense (Weren't you saying earlier that a team that lives from 3's dies from 3's, or something like that...)

ink
07-11-2008, 10:58 AM
I fail to see why you assume the 25/5/5 guy is on a 3-point shooters team.



So only the 20/10 guy can be a lockdown defender and provide the ability to win big games...:confused:



Comparing the stat lines JordansBulls provided:

25/5/5 --> 25 pts + 5 rebs + 5 assists(=10 pts) --> 35 pts and 5 possessions

20/10 --> 20 pts + 10 rebs --> 20 pts and 10 possessions

25/5/5 is responsible for 35 pts to his team (+15 than the 20/10 guy)

20/10 gets you 5 more possessions than 25/5/5


15 pts > 5 rebs ? The way I see it , yes...

Best Realistic Scenario: 15 pts=5 rbs --> if those 5 extra possessions are ALL 3-point plays in offense (Weren't you saying earlier that a team that lives from 3's dies from 3's, or something like that...)

You talk about those numbers as if they are finite. All of those numbers only touch the surface of what the whole team does because they are built around one type of player or not - big man or wing player. I think it's obvious that both are needed, but to set the tone for the entire team, you need to establish it with a good 20/10 big man. IMO unless you've got MJ, your team will always struggle if it is built around a wing player. (And btw, about the 3pt shooters - I didn't say that. I said that anyone who cheers for a team of jump happy 3 point shooters knows what it's like when their shooters go cold. But that was only a side point to show that 15 points is not so significant when you consider that a team that functions well together could come up with them collectively and be a better team for it.)

ink
07-11-2008, 11:47 AM
None of the stats in this thread have anything to do with defense...

Seattle
Houston
Denver
Golden State
Indiana
Dallas
Chicago
New York

Guess what these teams have in common?

All of them were in the top 10 rebounding teams in the league (getting extra possesions), they sure won a bunch of big games, didn't they?

Rebounding has nothing to do with defense? :confused:

And as for your list, that's the thing about isolating stats artificially. It doesn't tell the whole story and you know that. All of those teams had other huge problems like injuries (Houston), lack of a big man (CHI), team in total chaos (NYK), very young roster (SEA), etc, etc.

wwwhat
07-11-2008, 12:04 PM
Which is why you expect the guys slashing to have better FG% right? Not like Tim duncan has a higher FG% than kobe

If you read what I wrote, I'm assuming these 2 players are the only players worth a damn on their teams. If TD didn't have Ginobili/T.P./perimeter shooters who he kicks it out to, and had to go back to the basket against a double team, do you really think he'd succeed? But LeBron/Kobe (pre-2008) have had whole defenses geared to stop them and still manage to consistently get to the basket and finish.

DrDEADalready
07-11-2008, 12:30 PM
Scoring the most points isnt all a good thing. just look at Denver and GS. The scored the most points but they also gave up the most points if the have rebounds. your taking points awayfrom the other team. preventing them to score 2nd chance points and either allowing your team 2nd chance points so its still obvious Rebounds is more important than more points

LA_Raiders
07-11-2008, 01:17 PM
20/10

LA_Raiders
07-11-2008, 01:45 PM
20/10

TheFuture6
07-12-2008, 12:39 AM
And as for your list, that's the thing about isolating stats artificially. It doesn't tell the whole story and you know that. All of those teams had other huge problems like injuries (Houston), lack of a big man (CHI), team in total chaos (NYK), very young roster (SEA), etc, etc.

Exactly, that's why this thread doesn't really make any sense...

valade16
07-12-2008, 01:17 AM
All those people that talk about why they'd rather have the 25/5/5 guy are just spinning there wheels. There is a reason why everyone in the NBA takes a quality Center before a quality wingman, because there are less. Look at the Finals. Kobe was a better Wing player than Pierce but Garnett was a far better player than Gasol and Odom combined and it showed. Look at all the titles Tim Duncan has won. Look at how Kobe hasn't won **** without Shaq. A big man is far more valuable.

Chronz
07-12-2008, 01:33 AM
The only players in the history of the NBA to qualify for both of these standards were Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson and sir Charles Barkley.

Adding to the theme of the thread

Since 1980, these are the only +25/5/5 (45FG%) players in the in the NBA:
Michael Jordan 7x
Kobe Bryant 5x
Larry Bird 4x
LeBron James 4x
Clyde Drexler 3x
Tracy McGrady 2x
Alex English 2x
Charles Barkley 1x
Grant Hill 1x
Chris Mullin 1x
D-Wade 1x

There have been way too many players to have exceeded the 20/10 mark that I wont bother posting it but heres the list (Since 1980)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=ewTWi

Its dominated by Shaq/Hakeem/Robinson/Barkley and Malone

mtt1er
07-12-2008, 01:48 AM
it depeneds on who else is playing with them and intangibles and a bunch of stuff...and btw lebron is a 30 10 10 guy not to be confused with a 25/5/5 or a 20/10 lol...id take a 25/5/5 guy who can make clutch big time 3's and stuff when needed

BigDaddyKaine
07-12-2008, 02:18 AM
this question is an EPIC FAIL!!!

so everyone who answered 20/10 PF/C you would rather have Al Jefferson over Kobe Bryant

you cannot judge players on numbers alone

jnb58
07-12-2008, 02:27 AM
I wanted to see how people think regarding the situation instead of just mentioning particular players. Also wanted to see which one happens more often.

For example,

Guys who averaged 25-5-5 Last year were Kobe and LeBron

Guys who usually average 20 and 10 are Duncan, KG, Boozer, Yao, Dwight


Now that this has been brought up, I think everyone will just vote for the other group now.
LMAO.

Duncan > Kobe

jnb58
07-12-2008, 03:05 AM
The only players in the history of the NBA to qualify for both of these standards were Wilt Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Oscar Robertson and sir Charles Barkley.

Adding to the theme of the thread

Since 1980, these are the only +25/5/5 (45FG%) players in the in the NBA:
Michael Jordan 7x
Kobe Bryant 5x
Larry Bird 4x
LeBron James 4x
Clyde Drexler 3x
Tracy McGrady 2x
Alex English 2x
Charles Barkley 1x
Grant Hill 1x
Chris Mullin 1x
D-Wade 1x

There have been way too many players to have exceeded the 20/10 mark that I wont bother posting it but heres the list (Since 1980)
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/tiny.cgi?id=ewTWi

Its dominated by Shaq/Hakeem/Robinson/Barkley and Malone

A lot of people are on the cusp of 20/5/5. Each of these players was within 1 point of reaching those numbers. (example Iggy 19.9/5.4/4.8)
* Denotes people who exceed each statistic.

Paul Pierce
Gerald Wallace .449
*James-
Baron Davis
*T-Mac
*Kobe-
Wade-
*Carter-
Paul-
Iggy-
Caron Butler-

20/10
*Dwight
Duncan .497
*Jefferson
*Ming
Carmello .492

I'll take a big man.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/PRA.jsp?league=00&season=22007&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=SEASON&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=5&splitDD=All%20Teams

OaklandsFinest
07-12-2008, 03:10 AM
25/5/5

The 5 assists means more 10 points to the team + 5 extra scored points = 15 points

I prefer 15 pts in the scoreboard rather than 5 extra rebounds that the 20/10 guy provides...

The way I see it:
15 pts > 5 rebs

EXACTLY!!!

OaklandsFinest
07-12-2008, 03:12 AM
A lot of people are on the cusp of 20/5/5. Each of these players was within 1 point of reaching those numbers. (example Iggy 19.9/5.4/4.8)
* Denotes people who exceed each statistic.

Joe Johnson
Paul Pierce
Gerald Wallace
*James
Baron Davis
*T-Mac
*Kobe
Wade
*Carter
Paul
Iggy
Caron Butler

20/10
*Dwight
Duncan
*Jefferson
*Ming
*Jamison
Carmello

I'll take a big man.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/PRA.jsp?league=00&season=22007&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=SEASON&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=5&splitDD=All%20Teams

And you would have been home watching, as me and Paul Pierce won the championship

Crunchy12489
07-12-2008, 04:01 AM
25/5/5 brings more to the team.

I choose overall talent over certain-focus talent.

Chronz
07-12-2008, 05:32 AM
A lot of people are on the cusp of 20/5/5. Each of these players was within 1 point of reaching those numbers. (example Iggy 19.9/5.4/4.8)
* Denotes people who exceed each statistic.

Paul Pierce
Gerald Wallace .449
*James-
Baron Davis
*T-Mac
*Kobe-
Wade-
*Carter-
Paul-
Iggy-
Caron Butler-

20/10
*Dwight
Duncan .497
*Jefferson
*Ming
Carmello .492

I'll take a big man.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/PRA.jsp?league=00&season=22007&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=SEASON&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=5&splitDD=All%20Teams

How many of them are close to 25+? And Im pretty sure Melo wasnt on the cusp of 20&10, but a few assist shy of 5Ast but thats the whole point, hes not at that level. Its not like these guys arent exceeding the bare minimum also.

But yea Id take a bigman too, just not based on these numbers alone.

Lost Art
07-12-2008, 05:44 AM
20/10...........cause we've already got a 30/6/5 guy who shoots over 45% :D

.........but if you're asking if I'd take a 20/10 guy or Kobe...........I'll take Kobe :eyebrow:

Chronz
07-12-2008, 05:57 AM
The real question should be whether you would take a 20 and 10 guy or a 29 and 8 guy.

JordansBulls
07-12-2008, 08:13 AM
The real question should be whether you would take a 20 and 10 guy or a 29 and 8 guy.

I think the question asked is fairly good. Afterall the poll is deadlocked at 54.

ink
07-12-2008, 10:32 AM
25/5/5 brings more to the team.

I choose overall talent over certain-focus talent.

:confused:

The comparison is between two different type players that BOTH possess overall talent. One is a wing and one is a F/C. There is no "certain-focus" talent in the equation.

ink
07-12-2008, 10:35 AM
20/10...........cause we've already got a 30/6/5 guy who shoots over 45% :D

.........but if you're asking if I'd take a 20/10 guy or Kobe...........I'll take Kobe :eyebrow:

Depending on the 20/10 guy, I'd still take him over Kobe, especially if it's KG or Duncan we're talking about.

Crunchy12489
07-12-2008, 10:37 AM
Depending on the 20/10 guy, I'd still take him over Kobe, especially if it's KG or Duncan we're talking about.

You can't convince a die-hard Kobe fan. Stop while your ahead. :D

ink
07-12-2008, 10:42 AM
You can't convince a die-hard Kobe fan. Stop while your ahead. :D

I'd take Duncan or KG over Lebron too. :D Big men are players that provide the core of your whole team.

Crunchy12489
07-12-2008, 10:53 AM
I'd take Duncan or KG over Lebron too. :D Big men are players that provide the core of your whole team.

That's true.

Not to mention rebounds are the most underrated stat on the sheet.

Rebounds lead to transition which may become potential points.

If you are a slow tempo team that likes half court basketball, then rebounds will put you in those situations to make better decisions.

Big men are very important to the team. I wouldn't say they are more important than guards because you need a balance of guards, wingman, and big men. All of them form a great team. If there is a gap in the roster, chances are you won't win the title.

jnb58
07-12-2008, 12:31 PM
And you would have been home watching, as me and Paul Pierce won the championship

KG > Pierce


How many of them are close to 25+? And Im pretty sure Melo wasnt on the cusp of 20&10, but a few assist shy of 5Ast but thats the whole point, hes not at that level. Its not like these guys arent exceeding the bare minimum also.
But yea Id take a bigman too, just not based on these numbers alone.

Melo was a mistaken addition (playoff numbers 22/9.5).



The only time any of these 20/5/5 guys win championships is when they are combined with a near 20/10 guy.


The real question should be whether you would take a 20 and 10 guy or a 29 and 8 guy.

20/15 Dwight/Duncan 20/5/10 Paul = LeBron > Kobe

Kobe and LeBron have nothing in common except their pt totals. Lebron could play the 4/3/2/1.

Jay22Redd
07-12-2008, 12:49 PM
25/5/5 guy

greg_ory_2005
07-12-2008, 02:44 PM
I'll go with 25/5/5!!

lorenz00
07-13-2008, 01:18 AM
25/5/5 who does everyhin in the court!

jnb58
07-13-2008, 04:07 AM
I want a 30/10/10 guy

Crunchy12489
07-13-2008, 04:57 AM
I want a 30/10/10 guy

I'm afraid Hakeem Olajuwon retired.

still1ballin
07-13-2008, 11:07 PM
George Willis

agapeLAKERS
07-14-2008, 12:36 AM
Joe Johnson vs. Zach Randolph

I would take joe johnson, but generally speaking I would take a 20/10 guy.