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Young953
07-10-2008, 09:42 AM
i think that humphries and kapono should be trade for a impact C a slasher or a guard cause there not lots of space for these guys with them there our young player wont be able to develop as well

Bob_at_york
07-10-2008, 09:55 AM
i think that humphries and kapono should be trade for a impact C or a guard cause there not lots of space for these guys

there is no space for Kapono? Who is your first wing off the bench?

Also if one of the big men get injured, do you trust Jawai or Hump to get it done this season?

Raptors27
07-10-2008, 10:14 AM
Didnt we just get an impact C? you know J.O.

np6526
07-10-2008, 10:46 AM
i think that humphries and kapono should be trade for a impact C or a guard cause there not lots of space for these guys

Why do people want Kapono to be traded? I think he will benefit the most with our new found dual post presence. Kapono killed it in the playoffs last year, and this guy is the purest shooter in the league. I see him having some nice numbers averaging somewhere between 10-13 points a game.

D-Train#35
07-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Why do people want Kapono to be traded? I think he will benefit the most with our new found dual post presence. Kapono killed it in the playoffs last year, and this guy is the purest shooter in the league. I see him having some nice numbers averaging somewhere between 10-13 points a game.

Especially if Delfino leaves, that leaves him with lots of PT.

B2B
07-10-2008, 11:02 AM
Why do people want Kapono to be traded? I think he will benefit the most with our new found dual post presence. Kapono killed it in the playoffs last year, and this guy is the purest shooter in the league. I see him having some nice numbers averaging somewhere between 10-13 points a game.

I agree Kapono looked good in the Orlando series but every dog has his day. Don't forget how lost for the season he was, don't get tie up over one series, 5 games. I'm not saying that he won't be good but to temper your expectations.

TheHip
07-10-2008, 11:07 AM
Especially if Delfino leaves, that leaves him with lots of PT.

Thats a great point. Perhaps the largest reason why Kapono was relatively ineffective during the regular season was his limited playing time and up and down role off the bench. If Delfino doesn't return Kapono should fill in those minutes steadily off the bench.

Kontent
07-10-2008, 11:20 AM
i think that humphries and kapono should be trade for a impact C or a guard cause there not lots of space for these guys

I think you should start using the trade ideas thread (sticky).

Tom Stone
07-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Because of Jo and bosh.....our inside game is goona be great...we'll need kopono's shot.....didn't you watch playoffs kopono was unstopable at times....I think he is the best shooter in the NBA.....Sam mitchell gave him inconsistant minutes and he struglled playing with tj. ford....when t.j went down mid season kopono's game came around....and people were asking him...why are you playing much better....he gave a politicaly correct response....but the truth was he's actally getting the ball passed to him now that t,j's out......Watch , this year kopono gonna have a break out year.....and you'll feel like an idiot haveing talked about trading him.

Young953
07-10-2008, 12:00 PM
Why do people want Kapono to be traded? I think he will benefit the most with our new found dual post presence. Kapono killed it in the playoffs last year, and this guy is the purest shooter in the league. I see him having some nice numbers averaging somewhere between 10-13 points a game.
im not saying he is not a good shooter he is a great shooter one of hte best in the nba its just th at with adams and jawai where will they get the minutes
because i think adams could be a good bench guy but he wont get the chance with kapono.

bartlett2266
07-10-2008, 12:06 PM
Kapono didnt get enough playing time i would stress to Calderon to find this guy alot this year bosh and oneil will attract alot of attention he will have alot of room for shots we know he can make

Young953
07-10-2008, 12:19 PM
Kapono didnt get enough playing time i would stress to Calderon to find this guy alot this year bosh and oneil will attract alot of attention he will have alot of room for shots we know he can make

True.

deaner
07-10-2008, 01:06 PM
Kapono didnt get enough playing time i would stress to Calderon to find this guy alot this year bosh and oneil will attract alot of attention he will have alot of room for shots we know he can make

There's a reason why Kapono didn't get the minutes.... he can shoot yes, but he can't defend the 3 and he's not athletic to drive or create his shot. It's painful for me to watch. It's like paying 5 million dollars for a 22 inch rim while the other 3 are factory fords. The raps don't have the budget anymore for 2 shooting specialist to come off the bench. (Kapono/Bargs) I think trading that value for a well rounded player who can defend, play D, drive and shoot is the WAY better option. We need all elements on the court at once. Yes we should have better D this year with JO... but it still could be better, the raps D will only be as strong as the weakest link.

argo
07-10-2008, 01:09 PM
There's a reason why Kapono didn't get the minutes.... he can shoot yes, but he can't defend the 3 and he's not athletic to drive or create his shot. It's painful for me to watch. It's like paying 5 million dollars for a 22 inch rim while the other 3 are factory fords. The raps don't have the budget anymore for 2 shooting specialist to come off the bench. (Kapono/Bargs) I think trading that value for a well rounded player who can defend, play D, drive and shoot is the WAY better option. We need all elements on the court at once. Yes we should have better D this year with JO... but it still could be better, the raps D will only be as strong as the weakest link.

couldn't have said it better myself.

np6526
07-10-2008, 01:12 PM
im not saying he is not a good shooter he is a great shooter one of hte best in the nba its just th at with adams and jawai where will they get the minutes
because i think adams could be a good bench guy but he wont get the chance with kapono.

Why do you think Hassan Adams and Nathan Jawai will get so much playing time to the point where Kapono will be fighting for minutes? Hassan Adams is a great addition but don't expect too much from him he's still raw talent. Jawai hasn't played one minute in the NBA and most likely will go to the NBDL from what I read on ESPN. Kapono is in a great position to shine if Delfino doesnt return which I believe is likely.

hades
07-10-2008, 01:38 PM
again... for all you people that dont know. KAPONO is THE BEST SHOOTER IN THE LEAGUE.
we are not trading him now.
IF per sAy next season his FG % FROM THE 3pt line drops dramatically then YES!!!! we should trade him, but now. his simply the best in HIS trade. why trade a sniper for a glock?

deaner
07-10-2008, 02:20 PM
again... for all you people that dont know. KAPONO is THE BEST SHOOTER IN THE LEAGUE.
we are not trading him now.
IF per sAy next season his FG % FROM THE 3pt line drops dramatically then YES!!!! we should trade him, but now. his simply the best in HIS trade. why trade a sniper for a glock?

come on... how short sighted can you be? yes Kapono is the best 3 point shooter 2 year running at the skills competition... that is ONLY 1 skill and is not even in a game situation. Would you like Jay Triano to follow Kapono around on the court during the game with the homemade ball feeder they made? Maybe we could ask the other team to clear the court and have the fans cheer. Kapono's skill is only a sliver of the whole pie we need on the court in a GAME. Your argument is very thin my friend... try giving me some game stats... maybe something like Kapono hit the most 3s in regular season play... NO? How about most 3 point attempts? When you look at the game tape, you would probably find Kapono tried to drive the ball as much as he attempted 3 pointers... and we all know how horrible that looks... I will not even begin to ask how he would match up against some of the athletic 3s in our conference. Sorry if this is harsh... it's so frig'n obvious to me he needs to go... we can make better use of the money. He is a good shooter but is not a starter... um.. we need a starter before we can use Kapono effectively.

Mile High Champ
07-10-2008, 02:33 PM
The raps apparently want to go with a small bench next season so its too bad Delfino wont back. As far as trading Kapono at this point, im not interested. With Oneal and Bosh on the low blocks, no more double teams and just open looks for our shooters if they even think of it. Thats where you want Kapono!

deaner
07-10-2008, 02:34 PM
Forget about LBJ... CDR would make Jason Kapono look foolish 1 on 1.

loudif31
07-10-2008, 02:38 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Kapono crack the starting five this season. JO and CB healthy mean lots of open looks for Kapono and Parker. With JO on the floor, we can use the spacing better. Plus, A Center who can block shots and intimidate slashers helps out with a guy like Kapono who admitedly is a step slower than most guys playing the 3. Look for the Raptors to play better team defence this year. They finally have a 5 who can play D. The guards can gamble a little more. All of a sudden a cross-over from an opponent doesn't automatically mean lay up. Not to mention the rebounding help they will have. Trade Kapono? I say now he is in a position to do exactly what he is meant to do. Hit open shots! I

Bob_at_york
07-10-2008, 02:43 PM
come on... how short sighted can you be? yes Kapono is the best 3 point shooter 2 year running at the skills competition... that is ONLY 1 skill and is not even in a game situation. Would you like Jay Triano to follow Kapono around on the court during the game with the homemade ball feeder they made? Maybe we could ask the other team to clear the court and have the fans cheer. Kapono's skill is only a sliver of the whole pie we need on the court in a GAME. Your argument is very thin my friend... try giving me some game stats... maybe something like Kapono hit the most 3s in regular season play... NO? How about most 3 point attempts? When you look at the game tape, you would probably find Kapono tried to drive the ball as much as he attempted 3 pointers... and we all know how horrible that looks... I will not even begin to ask how he would match up against some of the athletic 3s in our conference. Sorry if this is harsh... it's so frig'n obvious to me he needs to go... we can make better use of the money. He is a good shooter but is not a starter... um.. we need a starter before we can use Kapono effectively.

Jason Kapono shot 48.8% last year. Is that bad? I think it is pretty good when you take into account that the team shot only 46.8% from the field.

deaner
07-10-2008, 03:23 PM
I wouldn't be surprised to see Kapono crack the starting five this season. JO and CB healthy mean lots of open looks for Kapono and Parker. With JO on the floor, we can use the spacing better. Plus, A Center who can block shots and intimidate slashers helps out with a guy like Kapono who admitedly is a step slower than most guys playing the 3. Look for the Raptors to play better team defence this year. They finally have a 5 who can play D. The guards can gamble a little more. All of a sudden a cross-over from an opponent doesn't automatically mean lay up. Not to mention the rebounding help they will have. Trade Kapono? I say now he is in a position to do exactly what he is meant to do. Hit open shots! I

I know what you guys are saying... I actually said the same thing when I heard JO was coming... it will create space on the offensive end, and offer help on the D. But I'd rather have a slasher/defender/shooter than a pure shooter... it's more about our present financial situation versus need. Things are tight and we still have a hole at the 3. Kapono can shoot... Moon can play D... and we don't have a slasher. (which was one of the objectives this off-season) Kapono has value... that's why I mention him... if Joey had ANY value I would be talking about him.

Why risk getting CB4 and JO in foul trouble to cover for weak D at the 3?

The east has become much more competitive. The 76ers have dramatically improved, why are people satisfied with starting Kapono? I would want Sam to put him in when we are down by 2 with 3 seconds left in the game... but I don't want to see LBJ score 81 because a starting Kapono had a chance for 6 threes.

deaner
07-10-2008, 03:33 PM
Jason Kapono shot 48.8% last year. Is that bad? I think it is pretty good when you take into account that the team shot only 46.8% from the field.

How many attempts are we talking about Bob? His attempts are VERY low are they not?

wow... I'm shocked... I thought you would have wanted a more complete player than Kapono starting at the 3. You really think we are getting the best value for his contract? (given the current roster)

Mile High Champ
07-10-2008, 03:49 PM
Jason Kapono shot 48.8% last year. Is that bad? I think it is pretty good when you take into account that the team shot only 46.8% from the field.

Good point Bob, not to mention, on every raptor broadcast, Leo mentions how kapono doesnt just settle for the 3 point attempt every time. Leo discusses his willingness to try other things on the floor if his 3 is not falling, he doesnt just shoot for the hell of it like many other straight up jump shooters. If the shot is not there, kapono usually puts it on the ground at takes it at his defender, not many straight up shooters have this mentality, they will just jack up shots untill they build a house of bricks. Kapono is very unselfish for a shooter and most often makes the smart decision in not settling for contested shots. Kapono while not the best defender in the world but he can do a lot more on the offesnive end of the floor than people give credit to him for. He has talent, poise to be a great weapon on our team. Especially with another allstar big on the floor, He should get even more opportunites to showcase that 3pt range this season.

deaner
07-10-2008, 03:52 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?qual=true&sort=tsp&league=nba&page=2&seasonType=2&qualCnt=62&qualIndex=63&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fqual%3dtrue%26sort%3dt sp%26league%3dnba%26page%3d2%26seasonType%3d2%26qu alCnt%3d62%26qualIndex%3d63

ESPN lists Kapono at 89th in the league in the true shooting category.

Mile High Champ
07-10-2008, 03:52 PM
How many attempts are we talking about Bob? His attempts are VERY low are they not?

wow... I'm shocked... I thought you would have wanted a more complete player than Kapono starting at the 3. You really think we are getting the best value for his contract? (given the current roster)

maybe you have not heard but the raps are just under the luxury tax, they have no more money to make a move, where do you purpose you find a solid starter at the 3 instead of Kapono? Im sorry but Kris Humphries or whatever bench player you have in mind to trade wont fetch that for you. Kapono is fine by me to start at the 3. He doesnt have to play 40 mins a game, its not who starts in the end but who finshes the game that matters.

Mile High Champ
07-10-2008, 03:55 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?qual=true&sort=tsp&league=nba&page=2&seasonType=2&qualCnt=62&qualIndex=63&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba %2fhollinger%2fstatistics%3fqual%3dtrue%26sort%3dt sp%26league%3dnba%26page%3d2%26seasonType%3d2%26qu alCnt%3d62%26qualIndex%3d63

ESPN lists Kapono at 89th in the league in the true shooting category.

Thats beyond flawed, of course the bigs like Dwight Howard will be at the top of the list. They take high percentage shots because of where they play on the floor. Are you actually gonna try and tell me Bynum, Amare and Dampier are better shooters than Kapono.? I dont think so. Nice try but that ranking system holds no baring in how talented a shooter Kapono is.

deaner
07-10-2008, 04:02 PM
maybe you have not heard but the raps are just under the luxury tax, they have no more money to make a move, where do you purpose you find a solid starter at the 3 instead of Kapono? Im sorry but Kris Humphries or whatever bench player you have in mind to trade wont fetch that for you. Kapono is fine by me to start at the 3. He doesnt have to play 40 mins a game, its not who starts in the end but who finshes the game that matters.

ya, I've heard... that's why I was suggesting trading Kapono for a solid 3 rather than a specialist.

deaner
07-10-2008, 04:10 PM
Thats beyond flawed, of course the bigs like Dwight Howard will be at the top of the list. They take high percentage shots because of where they play on the floor. Are you actually gonna try and tell me Bynum, Amare and Dampier are better shooters than Kapono.? I dont think so. Nice try but that ranking system holds no baring in how talented a shooter Kapono is.

yes... I know that.. but it's still somewhat valid. The type of SF I would want would take it to the rim as well.... How about rating him against other SFs......? 19th... how are you going to convince me that Kapono is the best shooter in the league...? He doesn't create... just hopes others will do the work for him. Hey, he does try.... again... he has value... it's the whole reason I am saying the raptors should trade him for a better fitting starting SF. Look at the list of the SF above him... they do more than shoot.

_Sn1P3r_
07-10-2008, 06:14 PM
yes... I know that.. but it's still somewhat valid. The type of SF I would want would take it to the rim as well.... How about rating him against other SFs......? 19th... how are you going to convince me that Kapono is the best shooter in the league...? He doesn't create... just hopes others will do the work for him. Hey, he does try.... again... he has value... it's the whole reason I am saying the raptors should trade him for a better fitting starting SF. Look at the list of the SF above him... they do more than shoot.

Yeah true. Who would we get for them though?

Tom Stone
07-10-2008, 06:47 PM
There's a reason why Kapono didn't get the minutes.... he can shoot yes, but he can't defend the 3 and he's not athletic to drive or create his shot. It's painful for me to watch. It's like paying 5 million dollars for a 22 inch rim while the other 3 are factory fords. The raps don't have the budget anymore for 2 shooting specialist to come off the bench. (Kapono/Bargs) I think trading that value for a well rounded player who can defend, play D, drive and shoot is the WAY better option. We need all elements on the court at once. Yes we should have better D this year with JO... but it still could be better, the raps D will only be as strong as the weakest link.

As long as you have great post help defence....kopono can push up and when he gets beat ..they run into jermaine....I understand that kopono is no defenceive force...but he does work hard...and if he can avrage 18 points a game witch I think he can do.... you can deal with the weaker defence....in playoff's he did much more than shoot....You watch he'll have a break out year playing with the big 3..... J.O, C.B, and jose.....and you'll feel like a punk haveing talked about trading him.

deaner
07-10-2008, 07:19 PM
As long as you have great post help defence....kopono can push up and when he gets beat ..they run into jermaine....I understand that kopono is no defenceive force...but he does work hard...and if he can avrage 18 points a game witch I think he can do.... you can deal with the weaker defence....in playoff's he did much more than shoot....You watch he'll have a break out year playing with the big 3..... J.O, C.B, and jose.....and you'll feel like a punk haveing talked about trading him.

hmmm... a punk eh... :)

alright, I'll sit on this and wait. Are you going to be here in November? Let's check back in and see. Shall we set the bar at 18 points and 30 minutes a game average? How many does he start? 1/2 or 3/4 of the games? Looking forward to him proving me wrong. Watch for a thread on Kapono's progress... lol

lukeem21
07-10-2008, 08:32 PM
I think Kapono will be valueable to keep but 18ppg is probably out of reach

12ppg would be nice, shooting a good percentage and more importantly spreading the floor and creating more oppurtunities for bosh and oneal, the more teams collapse on our bigs the more open shoots and points he gets, when bosh, oneal, kapono, parker and calderon are on the floor together that is a pretty hard lineup to stop.... both bosh and oneal are hard to stop with one man and parker and kapono are both money if given an open shot

deaner
07-10-2008, 09:30 PM
JK averaged right around his career average numbers last year. 7.2 PPG.

He hit a TOTAL of 57 triples last year. Bargs hit 90 (.345%) Jose hit 79 .476%, and AP hit 133 .438%

JK averaged 1.5 rebounds a game.

Doesn't anyone out there think that JO and Bosh become more of a threat when we have a SF slashing and getting into the mix down low? We already have 2 reasonably good 3 point guys on the starting line-up.

Bottom line... JK doesn't add anything different to our team. His numbers may be high in shooting, but overall he is a liability on the court.

The Raps are a better team now then last year, but we have only kept pace with other teams in the east. I don't think we have gained enough ground to have home court advantage next year in round one. There are way better options out there for 6 million than Kapono to take this team into the 2,3 or 4th spot.

Legitimate
07-10-2008, 10:09 PM
:) I keep double posting by accident *sighs*.

Legitimate
07-10-2008, 10:10 PM
Why trade away humpries? He plays with effort and passion, those players are hard to come by in the nba. Plus he hustles, you can tell he is giong to avg at least 7-8 boards and 8 points off the bench, which I think will be good enough. As for Jason Kapono, I would rather see Delfino instead of him. Well lets see how things work out this season....the raptors could be trying to be a offensively specialist team then there offensive would make up for there defensive. We have a slasher, whats wrong with Moon,does he play more sg? Moon is going to be getting more playing time in his 2nd year, some of these players play better than what there contracts say, we can't afford this and that....Well after this season we should point the finger and be like "get rid of him, or this will work if we get him" and just put our trust in the players we have for now, because for all we know things could have a twist this season with our accustions, kapono getting more shots and playing more, moon getting more min..etc....I believe joey is not going to cut it this season and Barganni better do something or trade him away next season.....

I still lbelieve raptors are going to win at least 50 games this season. Our young group of players can develop this year and now we can really see who is worth it and who is going to do damage.

pulzar
07-10-2008, 11:06 PM
wow... I'm shocked... I thought you would have wanted a more complete player than Kapono starting at the 3. You really think we are getting the best value for his contract? (given the current roster)

I would... but do you know of any that make the same money or less and are considered available? Just about anyone worth something gets the MLE these days as a free agent -- the really good 3s can fetch a lot more than that!

Graham is going to make $3.4M this year... and the guy rides the bench all game long. You really have to go into 7+ million to find a 3 that you're looking for -- a defender, shooter, and a slasher.

Yeah, you can trade Kapono and Humphries (nobody will take Graham, I'm sure), but then you're going to have to get another minimum salary guy to have enough players on the roster... we'd have 5 of those -- God help us if any of the main players get injured.

You know, Dell Curry couldn't play D, and he played against even quicker guys at 2... and he won the sixth man award. Great shooters have their place in the game, you just don't play them 40 minutes, and you don't have them guard LeBron... but, man, when they knock down a couple of threes in a row, just look at the game momentum shift.

Young953
07-10-2008, 11:08 PM
Why trade away humpries? He plays with effort and passion, those players are hard to come by in the nba. Plus he hustles, you can tell he is giong to avg at least 7-8 boards and 8 points off the bench, which I think will be good enough. As for Jason Kapono, I would rather see Delfino instead of him. Well lets see how things work out this season....the raptors could be trying to be a offensively specialist team then there offensive would make up for there defensive. We have a slasher, whats wrong with Moon,does he play more sg? Moon is going to be getting more playing time in his 2nd year, some of these players play better than what there contracts say, we can't afford this and that....Well after this season we should point the finger and be like "get rid of him, or this will work if we get him" and just put our trust in the players we have for now, because for all we know things could have a twist this season with our accustions, kapono getting more shots and playing more, moon getting more min..etc....I believe joey is not going to cut it this season and Barganni better do something or trade him away next season.....

I still lbelieve raptors are going to win at least 50 games this season. Our young group of players can develop this year and now we can really see who is worth it and who is going to do damage.

what about bargnani? i would like to see him at the backup pf spot hes not a sf hes not a c he would be a better backup at the pf with humphies .....he is a not a c he cant play the spot and will have nowhere to play so limited minutes no 9 rebounds a game good potential but no spot on this team and also will stop jawai from developing into a future c/f for the raptors but right now we a a slasher or a veteran guard maybe a c

Bob_at_york
07-11-2008, 01:00 AM
How many attempts are we talking about Bob? His attempts are VERY low are they not?
yes it was. Defences keyed in to him and I don't think Mitchell's offence was very good for Kapono.


wow... I'm shocked... I thought you would have wanted a more complete player than Kapono starting at the 3. You really think we are getting the best value for his contract? (given the current roster)
Of course I would want a more complete player than Kapono starting at the 3. But if the Raptors aren't paying the luxury tax then it isn't going to happen.


yes... I know that.. but it's still somewhat valid. The type of SF I would want would take it to the rim as well
Weren't you one of the guys who pointed out that Kapono drove to the net quite a bit last year? Either way, with JO on the team, I see there being less room around the rim for a slasher. Hopefully I am wrong about that but I think there will be a crowded paint this year and we will see a lot of open looks from the perimeter.

hades
07-11-2008, 02:27 AM
come on... how short sighted can you be? yes Kapono is the best 3 point shooter 2 year running at the skills competition... that is ONLY 1 skill and is not even in a game situation. Would you like Jay Triano to follow Kapono around on the court during the game with the homemade ball feeder they made? Maybe we could ask the other team to clear the court and have the fans cheer. Kapono's skill is only a sliver of the whole pie we need on the court in a GAME. Your argument is very thin my friend... try giving me some game stats... maybe something like Kapono hit the most 3s in regular season play... NO? How about most 3 point attempts? When you look at the game tape, you would probably find Kapono tried to drive the ball as much as he attempted 3 pointers... and we all know how horrible that looks... I will not even begin to ask how he would match up against some of the athletic 3s in our conference. Sorry if this is harsh... it's so frig'n obvious to me he needs to go... we can make better use of the money. He is a good shooter but is not a starter... um.. we need a starter before we can use Kapono effectively.



short sighted?
dude im blind. im asking my dog to type this ish!
bottom line is the raptors paid kapono to shoot. and guess what buddy. KAPONO IS GOING TO KEEP SHOOTING FOR THE TORONTO RAPTORS!
when he gets traded then u can back to me for a cookie, but till then keep chewing on a bone ok buddy. now go fetch.

hades
07-11-2008, 02:54 AM
ok ok... the last post was a little bit harsh. dont want to step on someone. just for the record, i agree that kapono is not a starter. kapono cant defend stronger 3's, kapono cant do this and kapono cant do that. but what kapono can do is shoot the ball well. a specialist. a sniper. not a thug that would slash your throat but put a bullet in your forehead, i might be shortsided but i just dont see why would BC trade kapono RIGHT now. and honestly i just dont think we should trade him. dont want to go thru all those stats that u ask for.. at the end of the day the man can shoot. im glad he's shooting for us.

peace.

Legitimate
07-11-2008, 03:43 AM
:)

Legitimate
07-11-2008, 03:44 AM
:(

Legitimate
07-11-2008, 03:44 AM
Yes, we need Kapono, whether he is a starter or not, we need what he brings to the team. Kapono just needs more better looks, which he will get this season. Imagine we can make late game comebacks with a bunch of raps lighting up three's and bosh and Oneal down low, we don't know what kapono could do with better looks and I sure would like to know. But yes I was wishing...B.C should have convinced James Posey to come to the raps, even in a sign in trade for something that we have. Put your trust in B.C he is excellent at scouting and putting rosters together If there was only a way we could get rid of joey....


J.O will play probably play at least 60-70 games and barganni and jawai could struggle this season, that is why I thought humpries could possibly get 15-20 min a game as a back-up role. We don't know if Barganni will play sf or pf this season? Not c? I hope he doesn't play Center, cause that'd suck.

TheHip
07-11-2008, 11:33 AM
I think that if you look at the overall picture of how the team fills out this year, Kapono will have a more successful season.
1. A huge defensive upgrade in the interior with the addition of Oneal will allow for more minutes for a poor defender on the perimeter. Look at his stats from Mia, where he had some size in the middle. 11ppg/24mpg
2. Apparent subtraction of Delfino = more minutes for Kapono and more 3 point shots for Kapono, recall delfino's 340 3p attempts. Delfino averaged 23mpg vs. Kapono's 19mpg with only 118 3p attempts.

Hopefully these factors will combine to allow more minutes for Kapono and with the new offensive set he will be open more often to take his league leading 3p% shots, maybe even run some plays for him. Hopefully he can mirror his playoff performance where he averaged 30mpg w/ 15ppg. He looked good in the playoffs, despite what he did in the regular season, he actually created a fair bit on offense, lots of pump fake dribble reset shots , shots on the move, and even a few effective drives. Of course his game thrives off team play, he's not going to be the guy to eat the clock after the shot clock is turned off and make a play, we traded that in the offseason.

Prediction: 32mpg 16ppg and I'm going to go out on a limb and make a crazy guess that he'll lead the league in 3p%

deaner
07-11-2008, 02:14 PM
I'm just wanting there to be some definition in the swing spot! We have this guy who can do this, but sucks at this... this guy has a body and no brain... this guy thinks he's a shooter when he should be driving the ball... I blame Sam for some of it... but I'd just like to have a player or 2 that we can all agree is a fit and can compete against most guys on most nights. People here seem to think Kapono is the answer when as I recall he had 2 good games against one particular team in the playoffs. He may have matched up OK against that team... but where was he all season? I remember only 2 games he was on fire shooting. We have a handful of guys who are holding us back.

When I look at the roster I see:

AP in his final year and north of 30
Moon with good D and cheap
Kapono who can shoot
Graham whom is athletically gifted
Bargs (could get some minutes at the 3) shooter
Adams would be considered a slasher with intensity

The "rest" of the roster fits for now. Bargs isn't going anywhere. No one is taking Joey, not even for draft picks cause cap space is a precious commodity right now. Logically that leaves me with Kapono, Moon, and AP (if Adams works @ 2) to be used it improve our team. If a trade gave us a more consistent SF starter... I would use those assets.

loudif31
07-11-2008, 02:47 PM
When I look at the roster I see:

AP in his final year and north of 30
Moon with good D and cheap
Kapono who can shoot
Graham whom is athletically gifted
Bargs (could get some minutes at the 3) shooter
Adams would be considered a slasher with intensity

The "rest" of the roster fits for now. Bargs isn't going anywhere. No one is taking Joey, not even for draft picks cause cap space is a precious commodity right now. Logically that leaves me with Kapono, Moon, and AP (if Adams works @ 2) to be used it improve our team. If a trade gave us a more consistent SF starter... I would use those assets.

I see what you are saying Deaner but remember the Raptors have never had two guys like CB4 and JO in the front line before. There will not be as much space by the rim for slashing as you are used to seeing in past years. Smitch said in his press conference the other day that the team better get used to the offense running through Jermaine and Chris. This is why Kapano is an asset. We can't think in terms of how he matches up with other small forwards. His job is to open things up for the other forwards by making oppenents pay for double teaming CB4 or JO not initiate the offence or create his own shot.

As far as Hump goes, I see him getting some mins off the bench. He is a grinder and he's not costing much. I'd keep him. If Joey had any trade value, he'd be gone already. He will be an traded as an expiring contract.

deaner
07-11-2008, 03:27 PM
I would think teams would try and score on us more on the fast break now... before CB4 and JO6 can set up. Calderon doesn't posses incredible speed or D. With JK on the floor that part of our game will be ugly. I will expect offensive board for Bosh to go down because he will be needed to stop the bleeding at the other end. Getting back was one of Moon's jobs... he ran hard and Sam would still yell at him. Anyone care to tell me how this will be resolved with JK getting more minutes?

Bob_at_york
07-11-2008, 03:59 PM
I would think teams would try and score on us more on the fast break now... before CB4 and JO6 can set up. Calderon doesn't posses incredible speed or D. With JK on the floor that part of our game will be ugly. I will expect offensive board for Bosh to go down because he will be needed to stop the bleeding at the other end. Getting back was one of Moon's jobs... he ran hard and Sam would still yell at him. Anyone care to tell me how this will be resolved with JK getting more minutes?

Jose is not good defensively but he is fast enough and he could pressure the ball handler by doing a full court press. That little bit of pressure gives us time to set up our D.

boston08champs
07-11-2008, 04:01 PM
yo man i wish jamario got into that slasher mode he has the potential to be, someone just needs to tell him that, he has to stop settling for the 3's and drive and he needs to gain some more muscle so he can go up hard but for now lets see wat kapono can do.

IversonIsKrazy
07-11-2008, 04:09 PM
if u guys r trying to trade off kapono, i want to trade off bargs as well, not hump though. how abt this.

TRADE 1:
Toronto Gets:
Josh Howard

Dallas Gets:
Andrea Bargnani
Jason Kapono
2010 First Rounder

OR

TRADE 2
Toronto Gets:
Gerald Wallace

Charlotte Gets:
Andrea Bargnani <---
Jason Kapono <--- MORE LIKELY
2010 First Rounder <---

raptor fan
07-11-2008, 05:49 PM
i would much prefer the first deal.

RAPS424
07-11-2008, 09:34 PM
kapono was used completly wrong by smitch.... thats why he was incosistent... he had no plays run for him... he went for like 5 -7 games onin a row without taking a 3pointer......????... im not saying he's the go to guy!!! but u gota feed him in the corners at least 3-5 times a game... let the guy do what he does best... slash once in a while...but get those 3's up!!!

PostYourEyes
07-11-2008, 09:37 PM
Why do people want Kapono to be traded? I think he will benefit the most with our new found dual post presence. Kapono killed it in the playoffs last year, and this guy is the purest shooter in the league. I see him having some nice numbers averaging somewhere between 10-13 points a game.

i agree. he IS the PUREST shooter in the league and averaged 51.4% in the 06-07 season and who will replace AP or Moon off the bench?

Raptors27
07-11-2008, 10:27 PM
Kapono can shoot no question about it. He will have a great season and with at least 30 mpg this year he will average 14 ppg.

khanraymond
07-11-2008, 10:30 PM
Posted this in another Thread
"Sam had discourage Kapono from shooting 3pt last year (2.5 attempts/game in Miami season before compared to his 1.5 atttempts/game with the raptors). But in the playoffs, almost 5 attempts/game (shooting 54% from the 3pt line) - not to say he's going to average 5 attempts, but he's going to average more than 1.5. He also average only 18 minutes per game during the season, compared to 30 minutes in the playoffs - his point production went from 7.2 to 15.6 and his FG attempts went from 6.2 to 10.6 (extra 4 attempts/game = extra 8 pts/game = statistically amazing). And to think, in the playoffs there was only one player demanding a double team (what about CB4JO6?). Also, Delfino 23mins/game (4 3pt attempts/game at 38%) - who would you rather have jacking up those 3pt shots?"

I know alot of people want an athletic, slashing, forward, who rebounds and defends - but I think their more interested in consistant shooter. Remember: Bosh, ONeal, Moon, Calderon and Bragnani all drive to the rim (some better than others) - both Bosh and ONeal play inside - so I think BC wants someone to keep defender's honest and not collapse on these driving and post players. If we had another slasher who wasn't as capable of a shooting as Kapono, every time Bosh or ONeal touched the ball, the double team would shift over. At least now, they have to think twice (youtube Kapono's shot against the Pacers) - he is not only the best shooter in the game, but supposedly has the fastest release.

Just a note, Billups was considered for all-defensive team when they won the championship. Now, Dumars is talking about getting a better defensive PG. How does that happen? How does Pierece go from no defense to locking down the best player in the world. Playing D is completely different when you know your basket is protected - Has the Raptor basket ever been protected the way it is now? Our best shot blocker and second best rebounder was our rookie SF. Sad, very sad.

Alot of people think Kapono is over paid for that he does - just curious what people think about Wally Szh? He's another one trick pony - but signed a bigger contract way back when (only difference with kapono - minutes).

Its one thing to be a one trick pony (Kapono is that), its another thing to be the best at that one trick. Can anyone else name something beneficial that Reggie Evens does besides rebounds like a beast (horrible defender, very slow, and no offensive game)?

T.O-Fan
07-11-2008, 10:40 PM
kapono was a really good impact in the playoffs and were losing alot if we get rid od kapono the reason that kapono was not really good in the regular season is because sam never gave him any time on the court the only thing that sam gave him time for is to sit on the bench and look at the game kapono looked like he was part of the crowed and sam just relized how good he was in the playoffs so all im saying is that were losing alot i mean alot if we give kapono out every team is going to want him but i dont really care about hump

T.O-Fan
07-11-2008, 10:41 PM
what do u guys think??????????

deaner
07-11-2008, 11:39 PM
Some good points but I'm not slightly convinced. (can I use that word) ? :)

In the east, last year, we had 3 very good shooters on our starting line up. Jose was 7th in FT%, Bosh was 11th, and AP was 19th! Shooting is not even close to being our weakness. The fact that we are ranked 30th in the league in free throw attempts should be a clue of our REAL weakness that still needs to be addressed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbafgpct&sort=fg%&league=e&avg=none

JK's may look good on paper or on a forum... but when a swing man goes off and scores 40-81 points against us while kapono's in the corner wanting another touch... it's embarrassing. (1.5 attempts last year but I'll give you guys 6 this year... it's only 9 points a game and not work the grief a 1 trick pony causes) Jose and AP more than have perimeter shooting covered.

Bob_at_york
07-12-2008, 03:27 AM
JK's may look good on paper or on a forum... but when a swing man goes off and scores 40-81 points against us while kapono's in the corner wanting another touch... it's embarrassing.
#1 - Players have scored 40-81 when we put our best defenders on them.

#2 - Just because people are saying he should be the starter doesn't mean that if an opponent gets HOT that Kapono doesn't get taken out for Adams or something.

argo
07-12-2008, 03:59 AM
Posted this in another Thread
"Sam had discourage Kapono from shooting 3pt last year (2.5 attempts/game in Miami season before compared to his 1.5 atttempts/game with the raptors). But in the playoffs, almost 5 attempts/game (shooting 54% from the 3pt line) - not to say he's going to average 5 attempts, but he's going to average more than 1.5. He also average only 18 minutes per game during the season, compared to 30 minutes in the playoffs - his point production went from 7.2 to 15.6 and his FG attempts went from 6.2 to 10.6 (extra 4 attempts/game = extra 8 pts/game = statistically amazing). And to think, in the playoffs there was only one player demanding a double team (what about CB4JO6?). Also, Delfino 23mins/game (4 3pt attempts/game at 38%) - who would you rather have jacking up those 3pt shots?"

I know alot of people want an athletic, slashing, forward, who rebounds and defends - but I think their more interested in consistant shooter. Remember: Bosh, ONeal, Moon, Calderon and Bragnani all drive to the rim (some better than others) - both Bosh and ONeal play inside - so I think BC wants someone to keep defender's honest and not collapse on these driving and post players. If we had another slasher who wasn't as capable of a shooting as Kapono, every time Bosh or ONeal touched the ball, the double team would shift over. At least now, they have to think twice (youtube Kapono's shot against the Pacers) - he is not only the best shooter in the game, but supposedly has the fastest release.

Just a note, Billups was considered for all-defensive team when they won the championship. Now, Dumars is talking about getting a better defensive PG. How does that happen? How does Pierece go from no defense to locking down the best player in the world. Playing D is completely different when you know your basket is protected - Has the Raptor basket ever been protected the way it is now? Our best shot blocker and second best rebounder was our rookie SF. Sad, very sad.

Alot of people think Kapono is over paid for that he does - just curious what people think about Wally Szh? He's another one trick pony - but signed a bigger contract way back when (only difference with kapono - minutes).

Its one thing to be a one trick pony (Kapono is that), its another thing to be the best at that one trick. Can anyone else name something beneficial that Reggie Evens does besides rebounds like a beast (horrible defender, very slow, and no offensive game)?

good pts...

still like to see TO trade kapono's ***.
anyone making $6m should be more than a one trick pony... maybe a two trick pony.
i just don't like guys that can't rebound or play d - unless he's making $1-$3m and coming off the bench like eddie house ($1.5m).

khanraymond
07-12-2008, 12:12 PM
Some good points but I'm not slightly convinced. (can I use that word) ? :)

In the east, last year, we had 3 very good shooters on our starting line up. Jose was 7th in FT%, Bosh was 11th, and AP was 19th! Shooting is not even close to being our weakness. The fact that we are ranked 30th in the league in free throw attempts should be a clue of our REAL weakness that still needs to be addressed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbafgpct&sort=fg%&league=e&avg=none

JK's may look good on paper or on a forum... but when a swing man goes off and scores 40-81 points against us while kapono's in the corner wanting another touch... it's embarrassing. (1.5 attempts last year but I'll give you guys 6 this year... it's only 9 points a game and not work the grief a 1 trick pony causes) Jose and AP more than have perimeter shooting covered.




If i'm not mistaken, 81 was scored on Mo Pet as the main defender (granted other guys tried to help cover Mr. MVP)

Wally Szczerbiak - 1 trick is shooting = 13 mill a year
Matt Carroll - 1 trick is shooting = 5 mill a year
Kyle Krover = 1 trick is shooting = 5 mill a year

Heres a list of Toronto's weakness and strength at the end of last year:
strength (not much):
strong PG play - Good Ast/TO ratio
excellent FT%
excellent 3PT%

Weakness:
lack of FT attempts
rebounding
shot blocking
secondary scorer
inside presence
perimeter defense
consistant rotation

This year - we still have our strength's (best Ast/TO guy in the business) and kept our 3 best 3pt shooters, while also solving most of the weakness.
JO - secondary scorer, rebounding, more FT attempt(6.5 attempts/game), and inside presence.
With 9 to 10 guys demanding minutes - it made for inconsistent minutes. But with a solid 8 guys, then there will be more consistency.

The only weakness they didn't address was perimeter defense - but they hope that Adams can pull a "Moon syndrome" and Moon can increase from last year. Remember, Moon was our best inside defender (blocking the most shots) because of the lack of a inside presence, but now he can focus more on containing his man.

But I do agree that we need another defender off the bench.
Reports on Ukic - all offense, no defense.
Kapono - mainly offense
Bragnani - mainly offense
I would have preferred someone with a little more experience than Adams, as our primary back up defender (while we did get him for cheap). Plus, I would have preferred more of a Foward type player (because I still believe Kapono to be a oversized SG rather than a SF). But they do say Adams can guard 3 positions (PG, SG, SF) - which is something to think about.

In BC We Trust - Garbo, Parker, Moon - all steals. So maybe Adams will be the next steal by BC.

lorenz00
07-12-2008, 11:09 PM
dude dont ever trade jason kapono you know why? because of oneil and bosh giving more space from the shooters. jason kapono is one of the best shooters in the nba! cant trade away like that!

ramz.n
07-12-2008, 11:31 PM
good pts...

still like to see TO trade kapono's ***.
anyone making $6m should be more than a one trick pony... maybe a two trick pony.
i just don't like guys that can't rebound or play d - unless he's making $1-$3m and coming off the bench like eddie house ($1.5m).

hmm a 6 million dollar player thats coming off the bench..money could have been spent on a starter who has consistancy.