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PC
07-08-2008, 06:27 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902

Joba Rules!!
07-08-2008, 06:32 PM
mlbtraderumors=garbage

nyyfan4life
07-08-2008, 06:33 PM
I need a reliable source. If Harden can stay healthy he will beast.

GottaBelieve
07-08-2008, 06:33 PM
It's being reported in Chicago radio as well.

Gaudin and Harden to Cubs for 4 players.

Scary.

jmtapia
07-08-2008, 06:34 PM
^^^its not like they made the rumor up. They got a report or info from someone else...WGN Radio in this case.

viktor06
07-08-2008, 06:34 PM
Wow, cant wait to see the rape

viktor06
07-08-2008, 06:37 PM
Damn, what a deal. If he can actually stay healthy, Cubs got the best bargain for a pitcher this year

KH12
07-08-2008, 06:38 PM
Yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

Uncle Funster
07-08-2008, 06:39 PM
Wow, nice steal.

MaZin420
07-08-2008, 06:39 PM
Wow cubs are officialy scary if they werent already

lincecum=future
07-08-2008, 06:39 PM
An ace and another solid pitcher can get you way more than what the Cubs have to offer prospect wise. I just saw this on ESPN.

GA16Angels
07-08-2008, 06:40 PM
:speechless:

Sick Of It All
07-08-2008, 06:40 PM
Well how long before Harden is gone for the year?


..but if he stays healthy, that team just got freaking scary.

Brendan
07-08-2008, 06:40 PM
Well they had to make a move after the Brewers got CC. The brewers went from favorites after landing Sabathia to once again looking up at the Cubs.

viktor06
07-08-2008, 06:41 PM
But hey, Beane is a scary person...I wouldnt jump of joy until Harden actually finishes the season.

Sick Of It All
07-08-2008, 06:42 PM
Well they had to make a move after the Brewers got CC. The brewers went from favorites after landing Sabathia to once again looking up at the Cubs.

...but odds ar signingficantly higher that Sabathia will pitch the rest of the year while Harden will not.

McJoe
07-08-2008, 06:42 PM
wow...even tho i dont like Harden this is a GREAT deal for the Cubs...even if he doesnt stay healthy Gaudin IMO can at least MATCH lilly moving to the NL so they get a huge insurance policy and they get to keep some of their big specs

id watch out for Murton with the As tho

mattz1212
07-08-2008, 06:42 PM
The Cubs got an ABSOLUTE STEAL here, that deal for Harden alone is terrific let alone adding another solid pen arm and potential starter if somebody goes down.

Bob Loblaw
07-08-2008, 06:43 PM
I guess they don't want Burnett anymore...damnit

slugfest504
07-08-2008, 06:44 PM
They just said it on sports center.
Athletics giving up Gaudin and Harden, getting Gallagher, Eric Patterson, and 2 others in return

Soop
07-08-2008, 06:45 PM
:clap: Way to go Jim

Joba Rules!!
07-08-2008, 06:45 PM
We need a rape smiley. I'm glad the Yanks aren't in the NL Central.

Ph1lly Diehard
07-08-2008, 06:45 PM
So what team does Harden pitch for in the Allstar game?

lincecum=future
07-08-2008, 06:46 PM
But hey, Beane is a scary person...I wouldnt jump of joy until Harden actually finishes the season.

Thats true. Harden's velocity has been down his last 2-3 starts.

jmtapia
07-08-2008, 06:47 PM
Harden wont pitch more the 135 Innings.

yojoe792
07-08-2008, 06:47 PM
Its on Sportscenter. They got Gaudin too.

slugfest504
07-08-2008, 06:47 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902 is the link for anybody who needs solidified evidence.

BigEric
07-08-2008, 06:47 PM
It's a two horse race between them and the Brew crew now. I think the Reds are going to blow up their team and rebuild as will the Astros.

JDIsMyGod23
07-08-2008, 06:50 PM
Gaudin too. That's not even fair.

C-ross12
07-08-2008, 06:50 PM
Cubs fan here. Good deal for both teams IMHO. Gallagher could turn into a REAL good starter, Murton is a proven good OF that Beane likes. Patterson should potentially put up maybe 110 OPS+ and Donaldson is a C/2B/3B who is a good prospect. I figured a package of Vitters, Gallagher and Murton would happen but Beane gave in a little I guess.

T.O.Bombinators
07-08-2008, 06:50 PM
wow

Joba Rules!!
07-08-2008, 06:51 PM
So what team does Harden pitch for in the Allstar game?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused:

B-West.Joba
07-08-2008, 06:51 PM
the a's usually manage to rip other teams off in trades...but i think this one was the opposite

TNSMOKIES
07-08-2008, 06:51 PM
Hey the best news for me here is that Murton is gone. HAHAHAHHA

Brendan
07-08-2008, 06:52 PM
...but odds ar signingficantly higher that Sabathia will pitch the rest of the year while Harden will not.

Not really. Harden looks pretty healthy and i actually think he will stay healthy for the rest of the year. Take it for what its worth though. Can we say that its pretty much a lock now that the WC is coming out of that division now? Now the Phillies and Mets better REALLY be racing to win that division

Sick Of It All
07-08-2008, 06:54 PM
Not really. Harden looks pretty healthy and i actually think he will stay healthy for the rest of the year. Take it for what its worth though. Can we say that its pretty much a lock now that the WC is coming out of that division now? Now the Phillies and Mets better REALLY be racing to win that division

Looks does not mean nothing with guys like Harden, but yes i think the WC will come out of the central and yes the Mets and Phillies will have to play for the division only.

JHG722
07-08-2008, 06:57 PM
Nice job, Phillies :pity:

GBG2489
07-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Horrible horrible trade for the A's.

redwhitenblue
07-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Not really. Harden looks pretty healthy and i actually think he will stay healthy for the rest of the year. Take it for what its worth though. Can we say that its pretty much a lock now that the WC is coming out of that division now? Now the Phillies and Mets better REALLY be racing to win that division
Reports are his velocity has dropped recently and he lost his control last game

I'm not ecstatic about this until Harden shows to be 100%

Sick Of It All
07-08-2008, 06:58 PM
Nice job, Phillies :pity:

...but you still have a chance at Bedard.

JHG722
07-08-2008, 07:00 PM
...but you still have a chance at Bedard.

I'd rather have the oft-injured Harden.

GHGHCP
07-08-2008, 07:02 PM
...but you still have a chance at Bedard.

I think they might trade their 2B prospect for Lowe. Their guy is getting blocked by Utley and I'm sure out of every type of pitcher they would prefer a sinkerballer in their bandbox.

Do0msday
07-08-2008, 07:02 PM
*IF* Harden gets injured againthen the A's will have obviously one, but I'm going to say that the Cubs made out better with this deal. However, I do think Gallagher has a decent chance to become a good player. This trade really comes down to whether or not Harden stays healthy.

BricksAndIvy
07-08-2008, 07:06 PM
this is great...any chance of gettin another starter?

KOOL-AID Man
07-08-2008, 07:09 PM
Horrible horrible trade for the A's.

How so? Harden is oft-injured so it'll be amazing to see him finish out the year without another stint on the DL. The A's continue to build for the future which is obviously looking bright with how well they've been playing with what they have. Don't get me wrong, including Gaudin in the trade wasn't necessary IMO, but hey they get 4 young players in return 3 of which are MLB ready. Patterson can take over the reins if Ellis decides to leave via free agency, Murton can step in right away in their inexperienced outfield, Gallagher can take the place of Harden and sure he might not be anywhere close to a proven starter like Harden, but he can fill in for the time being. I'm not even an A's fan and I can see that Beane is a genius, I see this working out very well for the A's in the long run and even right now.

Swish-Cab-Ob
07-08-2008, 07:11 PM
Now he's just got to stay healthy for you, that will be the biggest thing.

lincecum98
07-08-2008, 07:11 PM
^^^
Totally agree, if Harden wasn't oft injured i would have thought the A's would have been screwed but he isn't healthy. Were building for the future, not for this year.

ChiCubs54
07-08-2008, 07:12 PM
I like this deal since the Cubs also got Gaudin.

sportwiz628
07-08-2008, 07:13 PM
Un ****ing believable but harden can never stay healthy.

scarylarry23
07-08-2008, 07:20 PM
Best trade EVER!!! We finally got rid or Murton. And Gaudin is solid.

WindyCitySox
07-08-2008, 07:25 PM
Harden has only pitched ONE complete season back in 2004 and it's been noticed by scouts that he is shying away from his breaking balls since they tend to send him to the DL. If he can avoid being a 2 pitch pitcher and somehow avoid the DL... then the Cubs have a pretty sick rotation!

scarylarry23
07-08-2008, 07:25 PM
Hey the best news for me here is that Murton is gone. HAHAHAHHA

A! MEN!

torontocubs
07-08-2008, 07:35 PM
Make up all the excuses you want. Harden is healthy. The cubs just legitimized the fact they are the best team in the NL.

Twitchy
07-08-2008, 07:37 PM
At first I hated the trade for the A's but it's a pretty smart trade by Beane.

Murton's an 800+OPS OF who's MLB ready.
Gallagher is a solid, 22 year old starter who if he gets his control down will be a top of the rotation type pitcher.
Patterson's a solid player - and would be better if he could be used @ 2B (can't remember if he moved cause of defensive issues or the Cubs were being stupid).
I don't see much in the other prospect though...

Looks bad at first, but I trust in Beane. I fully expect Harden to injure his shoulder packing his stuff up for a trip to Chicago...

Tragedy
07-08-2008, 07:39 PM
If Harden stays healthy, then, :speechless:

310Casper
07-08-2008, 07:39 PM
PRO: Harden is basically Prior, massive swinging labia and all. He's a god when he's healthy.
CON: He's never healthy.
PRO: Gaudin is a Major League quality arm.
CON: He's, at best, a 4th-spot starter.
PRO: Murton and Patterson were both **** blocked at their positions, and neither can field to save his life.
CON: Murton will probably be a productive MLB hitter long after Soriano is an albatross on the Cubs' neck. (Patterson, due to his lineage, will probably never amount to anything)
PRO: Gallagher never showed ace-quality material
CON: He's still young, and throws hard (95+). If he can ever throw his 12/6 curve for strikes he will be an ace.
PRO: We've got the best catcher in the league so we didn't need the Single-A guy.
CON: None. Geo Soto is a short, fat, brown Jesus.

In all, I'm sad to see Gallagher and Murton go because I think both of them will be productive MLB'rs for a long time to come. Also, there's the possibility that Patterson manages to do better than his brother, but nothing so far has shown that to be the case. He's got the tools, but I don't think he has the brains.

I have to say though that I like the trade, except for the possibility (certainty?) that Harden breaks down at the most inopportune time.

From another board.

hizpcstr
07-08-2008, 07:44 PM
PRO: Harden is basically Prior, massive swinging labia and all. He's a god when he's healthy.
CON: He's never healthy.
PRO: Gaudin is a Major League quality arm.
CON: He's, at best, a 4th-spot starter.
PRO: Murton and Patterson were both **** blocked at their positions, and neither can field to save his life.
CON: Murton will probably be a productive MLB hitter long after Soriano is an albatross on the Cubs' neck. (Patterson, due to his lineage, will probably never amount to anything)
PRO: Gallagher never showed ace-quality material
CON: He's still young, and throws hard (95+). If he can ever throw his 12/6 curve for strikes he will be an ace.
PRO: We've got the best catcher in the league so we didn't need the Single-A guy.
CON: None. Geo Soto is a short, fat, brown Jesus.

In all, I'm sad to see Gallagher and Murton go because I think both of them will be productive MLB'rs for a long time to come. Also, there's the possibility that Patterson manages to do better than his brother, but nothing so far has shown that to be the case. He's got the tools, but I don't think he has the brains.

I have to say though that I like the trade, except for the possibility (certainty?) that Harden breaks down at the most inopportune time.

From another board.
:laugh2:

Manny Paplfavre
07-08-2008, 07:50 PM
I just can't believe another team wouldn't offer more.

Mongy
07-08-2008, 07:53 PM
nice move hendry. Its just sad to see a developing young arm in Gallagher go. But landing Harden is the best thing that happened this season for the Cubs.

papipapsmanny
07-08-2008, 08:01 PM
im gonna say harden gets hurt around july 29th

Epic89
07-08-2008, 08:07 PM
Zambrano, Harden, Dempster, Lilly, Gaudin

Wow. If the Cubs don't win the WS this year, it probably will be another 100 years.

rwp86
07-08-2008, 08:11 PM
this is fantastic, Gaudin is a great player too

sager729
07-08-2008, 08:11 PM
Very good deal for the Cubs and a decent deal for the A's. I think it would have been better for Beane to try and get Colvin instead of Murton, but Murton could be a pretty good hitter.

sager729
07-08-2008, 08:13 PM
Don't get ahead of yourself rwp by calling Gaudin a great player. He is no where near great. But he is a decent starter/reliever.

saucy1
07-08-2008, 08:17 PM
cubs have you received either the second most dominating pitcher in mlb after lincecum or a drinking buddy for kerry wood and mark prior

FriarFanatic
07-08-2008, 08:21 PM
damn i shocked they were able to get Gaudin too thats a great deal for the cubs

PHILLYNIKES
07-08-2008, 08:23 PM
Thats crazy if he can stay healthy all year watch out!! Zambrano and Harden? damn

CubsBullsfan28
07-08-2008, 08:32 PM
although i hate to see patterson go, i like this trade alot. when healthy harden is a beast and we got another decent pitcher as well. good move jim! world series here we come!

Lady's Man
07-08-2008, 08:39 PM
man f dat.... this mo fo gonna be hurt in a minute, den what? mo fo fans be cryin again... Its all about da A, now and foever. Da A train is heatin up and its about to run over any team that gets in our way. fo damn sure... 1

LivingThroughMe
07-08-2008, 08:44 PM
man f dat.... this mo fo gonna be hurt in a minute, den what? mo fo fans be cryin again... Its all about da A, now and foever. Da A train is heatin up and its about to run over any team that gets in our way. fo damn sure... 1

Ah, you must be an Oakland fan!

Lady's Man
07-08-2008, 08:45 PM
hell na... braves son

Allabouthephils
07-08-2008, 08:50 PM
This is a great deal for the Cubs... In my opinion, Harden has the best stuff in baseball when he's healthy...

The package they gave up for a potential ace during the playoffs is unreal... Harden can pitch a perfect game on any given night... There are, maybe 3 or 4 pitchers in baseball with that sort of stuff... He is one of them...

That package is worth his injury risk..... I hate to do it, but I tip my hat.... Nice deal Jim...

Zaunnie
07-08-2008, 08:59 PM
let's see harden do anything for the cubs before you call him your messiah.

Havoc Wreaker
07-08-2008, 09:11 PM
Wow, talk about an Answer to the Brewers lol

Harden and Gaudin, Given that Harden stays healthy this was quite a steal, Harden needs no introduction and Gaudin did a great job starting earlier in the season for the As
I like this deal and Harden should be getting more run support which is better for me as I have him in fantasy, same happenned with Sabathia :-)

Spencesc11
07-08-2008, 09:31 PM
What the hell were the A's thinking? They are in the race with a group of overachieving youngsters and you trade your ace??? Plus you get crap in return. They should have at least come away with Pie out of this deal instead Gallagher and 3 guys who will never start. Usually Billy Bean is getting better out of trades so maybe he knows more than we do but it sure looks like a bad deal for the A's.

mawp
07-08-2008, 09:33 PM
At first I hated the trade for the A's but it's a pretty smart trade by Beane.

Murton's an 800+OPS OF who's MLB ready.
Gallagher is a solid, 22 year old starter who if he gets his control down will be a top of the rotation type pitcher.
Patterson's a solid player - and would be better if he could be used @ 2B (can't remember if he moved cause of defensive issues or the Cubs were being stupid).
I don't see much in the other prospect though...

Looks bad at first, but I trust in Beane. I fully expect Harden to injure his shoulder packing his stuff up for a trip to Chicago...

You're right about Murton. He played full time in 2006 but was deemed useless when Soriano was signed. Half of the Cubs fan love him while the other half despise him. They (the ones who hate him) think his defense sucks but he's average, and they think he's slow (again, average). His slugging will never top .500 but he knows how to get on-base.

I love Gallagher and I don't like losing him, but eh we'll see in 2-3 years how he develops.

Patterson was moved from 2B to the OF because his defense is absolutely atrocious..

If Harden manages to stay healthy for the duration of his current contract (1.5 years more) and the Cubs go deep in the postseason it's a win for the Cubs.

If Harden goes down, has TJ, and becomes Mark Prior II, then obviously the A's win the deal.

redwhitenblue
07-08-2008, 09:33 PM
What the hell were the A's thinking? They are in the race with a group of overachieving youngsters and you trade your ace??? Plus you get crap in return. They should have at least come away with Pie out of this deal instead Gallagher and 3 guys who will never start. Usually Billy Bean is getting better out of trades so maybe he knows more than we do but it sure looks like a bad deal for the A's.
All 3 guys can start and hit the ball well

nyyfan4life
07-08-2008, 09:37 PM
I think Murton will have a good 2nd half in Oakland. He has talent.

x_notorious
07-08-2008, 09:40 PM
If Harden can somehow stay healthy, this is a huge deal for the Cubs.

Harden is pitching lights out this season, but has also been on the DL twice this year.

nyyfan4life
07-08-2008, 09:42 PM
If Harden can somehow stay healthy, this is a huge deal for the Cubs.

Harden is pitching lights out this season, but has also been on the DL twice this year.

Plus his velocity has been down the past couple of games. Maybe Beane knows something that we dont :shrug:.

x_notorious
07-08-2008, 09:45 PM
Plus his velocity has been down the past couple of games. Maybe Beane knows something that we dont :shrug:.

2.34 ERA/92 K's/1.14 WHIP

Outstanding numbers, and he has no hitter stuff, but he has the durability of 60 year old. If he keeps it up, great deal. Another injury, this trade is out the window.

Eightyfive Y'aw
07-08-2008, 10:08 PM
No surgeries you say? Interesting. Either or anyway you look at it he is an upgrade from Prior, he hasn't been the same since giving the marlins that playoff game. Do you all think this will be our only move before the trade deadline?? Hope Not...

redwhitenblue
07-08-2008, 10:10 PM
Plus his velocity has been down the past couple of games. Maybe Beane knows something that we dont :shrug:.
According to Hendry they had deep discussions with the training staff before doing anything
Either or anyway you look at it he is an upgrade from Prior, he hasn't been the same since giving the marlins that playoff game.Yeah, those great numbers he put up in '05 sucked (including the struggles he had after being hit in the elbow with a line drive

chicagowhitesox
07-08-2008, 10:25 PM
The league office should not even let that trade go through. The Cubs are committing theft. 4 garbage players for an ace quality pitcher and a proven, quality mlb reliever.

JayhawkWild
07-08-2008, 10:26 PM
The league office should not even let that trade go through. The Cubs are committing theft. 4 garbage players for an ace quality pitcher and a proven, quality mlb reliever.

That's what everyone said when the Cards "stole" Mulder from the A's. We all know how thats panned out.

AsfanSince99
07-08-2008, 10:33 PM
The league office should not even let that trade go through. The Cubs are committing theft. 4 garbage players for an ace quality pitcher and a proven, quality mlb reliever.

Not quite.. it looks like 3 are garbage and 1, Gallagher could be really good.

chicagofan71
07-08-2008, 10:36 PM
Not quite.. it looks like 3 are garbage and 1, Gallagher could be really good.

Gallagher at most is a 3 starter....anyway, the league can't "veto" trades like in a mock offseason or ReDraft becuase they're bad

ChiSox
07-08-2008, 10:51 PM
Good Luck, keeping him healthy if the cubs can it's a great deal! If not and history shows it's not likley, the deal will suck..... Good Luck cub fans...

nyyfan4life
07-08-2008, 10:53 PM
According to Hendry they had deep discussions with the training staff before doing anything

Yeah, those great numbers he put up in '05 sucked (including the struggles he had after being hit in the elbow with a line drive

Thats good. Lets see how the physical is. Unless he already had the physical.

UPost2Much
07-08-2008, 11:04 PM
Dear god... I may actually say it... STEAL FOR THE A'S.

Before this year, I would LOVE to see which one of you would say you would make this deal if you're the Cubs. However, since he has been healthy for 1/2 a year, now the Cubs raped???

This is the same guy that he was last yr... he CAN be dominating, but you cannot count on that. Not in the least. I am sure his 08 numbers will numb you from logistics, but thats no problem. He has always been good when healthy... as it turns out, he's only healthy about 50% of the time... Weak.

310Casper
07-08-2008, 11:40 PM
man f dat.... this mo fo gonna be hurt in a minute, den what? mo fo fans be cryin again... Its all about da A, now and foever. Da A train is heatin up and its about to run over any team that gets in our way. fo damn sure... 1

Reading posts like that makes me feel better about my life.

Ragun
07-08-2008, 11:41 PM
Nice pick up if Harden stays healthy.

Telios9
07-08-2008, 11:51 PM
nice move for the cubs if harden is heathly

City of Angels
07-09-2008, 12:11 AM
:speechless::mad::speechless::mad:

Dirty Dirk41
07-09-2008, 12:46 AM
Reading posts like that makes me feel better about my life.


ur life is pretty bad then

JHG722
07-09-2008, 12:56 AM
man f dat.... this mo fo gonna be hurt in a minute, den what? mo fo fans be cryin again... Its all about da A, now and foever. Da A train is heatin up and its about to run over any team that gets in our way. fo damn sure... 1

Please don't type in ebonics. Thank you!

-The Management

KOOL-AID Man
07-09-2008, 12:56 AM
Reading posts like that makes me feel better about my life.

Ditto.

Havoc Wreaker
07-09-2008, 01:06 AM
Please don't type in ebonics. Thank you!

-The Management

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

DewsSox79
07-09-2008, 01:41 AM
According to Hendry they had deep discussions with the training staff before doing anythingYeah, those great numbers he put up in '05 sucked (including the struggles he had after being hit in the elbow with a line drive

yeah their training staff has been great in the past (sarcasm)

towel drill in the near future for harden.

Wrigleyboy25
07-09-2008, 01:57 AM
The A's did just fine in this deal. Cubs gave up what had to be given up. I am surprised however that Gaudin was just tossed in there. Read this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902


Anatomy Of The Deal

Cubs general manager Jim Hendry checked in from time to time throughout June with Oakland general manager Billy Beane about the availability of Rich Harden, and their conversations traveled down the same path: Yes, Harden was available, but only at the right price, and that price would include right-handed pitcher Sean Gallagher. And Hendry indicated, repeatedly, that Gallagher wasn't available.

On Sunday evening -- the same night when word broke that the Brewers had worked out a deal for CC Sabathia -- Hendry indicated to Beane for the first time that he would make Gallagher available in a Harden deal, but it would create a problem: If Gallagher was traded, the Cubs wouldn't have the kind of depth they needed to deal with an injury.

"Let me call you back," Beane said.

Beane had an idea. He could fill Hendry's need for depth by adding veteran swingman Chad Gaudin in the trade. He phoned Hendry back on Monday night with the suggestion. "That could work," Hendry said, and the two general managers began piecing together other parts of the trade. Beane called Hendry with a detail of the trade very late on Monday night, California time, figuring the call would switch over to voice mail on Hendry's cell phone because it was so late.

But Hendry answered the phone, wide awake. "Jim, what are doing awake?" Beane asked.

"I'm just laying here on my couch," Hendry said.

Some 15 hours later, the trade was finished. Oakland got Gallagher, a pitching prospect with a more stable medical history than Harden, and the Cubs got a high-risk, high-reward talent in Harden.

-- Buster Olney


:laugh2:

Pretty cool info there from Buster. Even got quotes.

Wrigleyboy25
07-09-2008, 01:58 AM
Thats good. Lets see how the physical is. Unless he already had the physical.

I'd love the Cubs to MRI his shoulder and arm in a physical.

Your Name Here
07-09-2008, 02:10 AM
man f dat.... this mo fo gonna be hurt in a minute, den what? mo fo fans be cryin again... Its all about da A, now and foever. Da A train is heatin up and its about to run over any team that gets in our way. fo damn sure... 1

Can anyone translate this into English?

Wrigleyboy25
07-09-2008, 02:19 AM
Can anyone translate this into English?
Peace up! A Town Down!

Your Name Here
07-09-2008, 02:22 AM
Peace up! A Town Down!

Throwing random words together doesn't make it English.

Night barber in open disco train!




See?

x_notorious
07-09-2008, 02:34 AM
:laugh2: :laugh: :laugh2:

abe_froman
07-09-2008, 04:11 AM
The A's did just fine in this deal. Cubs gave up what had to be given up. I am surprised however that Gaudin was just tossed in there. Read this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902



:laugh2:

Pretty cool info there from Buster. Even got quotes.


:laugh2: i can believe that's how it went down exactly.he looks like he barely ever sleeps

AsfanSince99
07-09-2008, 07:33 AM
The A's did just fine in this deal. Cubs gave up what had to be given up. I am surprised however that Gaudin was just tossed in there. Read this:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3478902



:laugh2:

Pretty cool info there from Buster. Even got quotes.

WTF? Looks as if Hendry swindled Beane into adding Gaudin. <shakes head in disbelief> What happens if one of our starters get injured? Gaudin was a very reliable starter.

chicagofan71
07-09-2008, 09:53 AM
Peace up! A Town Down!

"What?! OK!YEEEE-AAAHAA! Usha, Usha!"

acecrusher06
07-09-2008, 10:40 AM
low risk, high reward for the cubs. they traded a bunch of minor leaguers they weren't going to use this year for what could be a strong #2 pitcher.

if he fails...well, we can't say we didn't see it coming.

Your Name Here
07-09-2008, 10:46 AM
low risk, high reward for the cubs. they traded a bunch of minor leaguers they weren't going to use this year for what could be a strong #2 pitcher.

if he fails...well, we can't say we didn't see it coming.

3 of the 4 players the Cubs traded were on the 25 man roster, and were definitely being used.

But thanks for playing.

nyyfan4life
07-09-2008, 11:16 AM
low risk, high reward for the cubs. they traded a bunch of minor leaguers they weren't going to use this year for what could be a strong #2 pitcher.

if he fails...well, we can't say we didn't see it coming.

Its actually a high risk move. You never know with Harden. Durability is a key with him. Also if you look at Harden's injury history there has been a lot of problems with his shoulder. That should obviously raise some concerns. If healthy he's as dominant as anyone. So thats why I think its more of a high-risk, high-reward type of situation.

patriotsrock2k2
07-09-2008, 11:35 AM
wow looks great for the cubs Harden is very good and Gaudin is no pushover in the pen/starting. Can't believe the A's always growing such good pitching but trading them all away - my goodness what a farm system they got going.

The Schmooze
07-09-2008, 11:50 AM
sorry in advance if its already been covered, but whats up with this arm the Cubs traded? everyone else I have a pretty good grasp on.

either way I thought it was a great move for the Cubbies

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-09-2008, 11:56 AM
sorry in advance if its already been covered, but whats up with this arm the Cubs traded? everyone else I have a pretty good grasp on.

either way I thought it was a great move for the Cubbies

Gallagher was originally projected to be a number 3 but added a couple MPH on his FB and could maybe make a 2. Pretty comparable to Guadin who we got back with Harden.

The Schmooze
07-09-2008, 12:06 PM
Gallagher was originally projected to be a number 3 but added a couple MPH on his FB and could maybe make a 2. Pretty comparable to Guadin who we got back with Harden.

he's a lefty? whats his stuff look like(power-pitcher...etc?)

Wrigleyboy25
07-09-2008, 12:12 PM
he's a lefty? whats his stuff look like(power-pitcher...etc?)
No he's a righty, and yes he's pretty much a power pitcher...not like a Harden though. He's also just 22 and eats bugs for money.

kyubi256
07-09-2008, 12:12 PM
i always thought Sean Gallagher was a good/great prospect...

Your Name Here
07-09-2008, 12:14 PM
he's a lefty? whats his stuff look like(power-pitcher...etc?)

Gallagher is a Gangster.

Good K rates all through the minors, throws hard, good movement on breaking stuff, good poise/composure. Could very easily end up as a #2 type SP once he makes the adjustments that nearly every minor leaguer has to make.

patriotsrock2k2
07-09-2008, 12:15 PM
also surprising: the A's are just 5 behind the angels

Kirel
07-09-2008, 12:17 PM
Its actually a high risk move. You never know with Harden. Durability is a key with him. Also if you look at Harden's injury history there has been a lot of problems with his shoulder. That should obviously raise some concerns. If healthy he's as dominant as anyone. So thats why I think its more of a high-risk, high-reward type of situation.
What's the risk though?

For this year, if Harden goes down, the Cubs are essentially exactly where they were before acquiring him. Gallagher had already been removed from the rotation(although that may have been related to the trade) and the other players were non-factors for the next season or two. Without Gaudin it would have been far more risky, but with him the risk is essentially losing a #2 in 2-3 years and losing three B trade chips. The reward is high, and the risk in Harden is high, but the risk to the team itself is rather moderate, virtually nil for the remainder of the year.

This trade is actually less risky than the Juan Pierre deal a couple years ago.

hockeyplaya97
07-09-2008, 12:31 PM
In my opinion, Hendry actually did a very nice job of acquiring a top end pitcher in Harden and he did not completely drain the farm to do it. All in all I think that it is a pretty low risk, high reward deal for us. IF Harden can manage to stay healthy then we easily got the better end of that deal because our rotation is nasty with a healthy Harden.