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"WhatIf"
07-07-2008, 08:18 PM
So we're going to do a top 100 players of all time list on PSD. It's pretty simple, you just vote for who you think is the #1 player of all time, with a short explanation of why. And then in a few days, we will start the Official #2 Player of All Time Thread. And so on, until we get to 100 players.

So put your vote in, and hope your selection is the consensus vote.

The83rdWonder
07-07-2008, 08:20 PM
Michael Jordan

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 08:26 PM
Best case for GOAT is Michael Jordan even though other guys have a case. Here is a little something of why.


-Most scoring titles—10
-Most NBA Finals MVP awards—6
-Highest career scoring average—30.12
-Highest career scoring average playoffs— 33.45
-Highest career scoring average finals (12 games) - 33.57
-Most consecutive games scoring in double figures—866
-Highest single series scoring average NBA Finals—41.0 (1993)
-Most 40+ point games in the playoffs - 38 (no one else has even half that all time)
-Most 50+ point games in the playoffs - 8 (no one else has more than 4)
-Highest PER Ever - 27.91
-Never averaged less than 27.3 ppg in any playoff series


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/almanac_playoff_scoring_leaders/

BADizzleBoY
07-07-2008, 08:29 PM
kareem, all time leading scorer and top in all time rebounds. Had a ton of championships.

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 08:34 PM
kareem, all time leading scorer and top in all time rebounds. Had a ton of championships.

Kareem has the all time scoring record in the season, but MJ has it in the playoffs.

Also I don't believe Kareem has the most rebounds ever.

RocketsRule
07-07-2008, 08:36 PM
This is easily MJ. GOAT for sure.

Nets fan 93
07-07-2008, 08:36 PM
Wilt!

AllTheWay
07-07-2008, 08:42 PM
Magic. Couldnt be guarded, won 5 rings, couldve won more if not for his HIV infection

If he had played a few more years it wouldn't even be debatable.
Only player ever capable of playing positions 1-5

Wade3
07-07-2008, 08:46 PM
Jordan

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 08:46 PM
Magic. Couldnt be guarded, won 5 rings, couldve won more if not for his HIV infection

If he had played a few more years it wouldn't even be debatable.
Only player ever capable of playing positions 1-5

Huh. What do you mean it wouldn't be debateable?

How many defensive teams did he make?


To be GOAT you have to be a player that was great on both ends of the court IMO and you have to have the accolades and stats as well.

STAT32
07-07-2008, 08:47 PM
Wilt Chamberlain.

The guy averaged insane numbers. Whether or not he did it against it weaker competitors can't take away from averaging 50 pts and 30 reb. Not to mention he led the league in assists as a 7 footer. The only center to ever accomplish that feat I believe.

NJ NETS
07-07-2008, 08:47 PM
mj

fhatmanz
07-07-2008, 08:47 PM
Mr. Jordan.

Words cannot express what this man has done for the game. Forget the fact that he was the best player on the court.... The impact he had was even greater. I think the NBA should replace the logo (sorry West...and I am a lakers fan) but the Michael Jordan infamous symbol should be the logo of the NBA.

So great that his jersey is retired for a team he never PLAYED FOR!

stawka
07-07-2008, 08:48 PM
Man this isn't even debatable. Close this thread now.

MJ = GOAT!
It's not even worth keeping open because of the homers/haters.

PhillyLuver
07-07-2008, 08:48 PM
I'm going Wilt the Stilt here, with Jordan a VERY close second

superkegger
07-07-2008, 08:49 PM
Jordan, for a guard to dominate the way he did is unbelieveable. No one before him or since has dominated like that as a guard. A more than incredible feat.

mfb_lt1birdman
07-07-2008, 08:57 PM
Why is Shaq on here??? As much as I dislike him and those Bulls...sigh....MJ all the way. Just amazing to do what he did as a guard.

stawka
07-07-2008, 08:59 PM
He's on the list for the same reason Russell, Chamberlain, Kareem, Magic, Bird and Hakeem are on it.

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 09:01 PM
Also please don't say someone is hands down better than someone else. No one is hands down better than someone else of the players that have a case for GOAT.
This is more about the player with the best case.

Mane
07-07-2008, 09:05 PM
Jordan.

Ramon Nivar
07-07-2008, 09:05 PM
Michael Jeffery Jordan

MrBloop
07-07-2008, 09:22 PM
Wilt!

If you weren't a Net fan, maybe I would be surprised you got this one wrong.


This thread shouldn't be subjected to any further opinions whatsoever...MJ is the greatest...period.


We all know this, so stop being COO, and just face it.

Lizard King
07-07-2008, 09:25 PM
Michael Jordan.

kobe2008mvp
07-07-2008, 09:26 PM
kobe he's only 29 and he's getting more experinced and better.

BADizzleBoY
07-07-2008, 09:27 PM
Kareem has the all time scoring record in the season, but MJ has it in the playoffs.

Also I don't believe Kareem has the most rebounds ever.

I said top 10....

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 09:30 PM
kobe he's only 29 and he's getting more experinced and better.

What about him?

You can't make a case for him being GOAT, he still hasn't won as the best player on his team.

MrBloop
07-07-2008, 09:33 PM
Why is Shaq on here??? As much as I dislike him and those Bulls...sigh....MJ all the way. Just amazing to do what he did as a guard.

Shaq is on here b/c he successfully carried the torch after Mike left.

He became the most dominant player of his era, he trancended the game with his personality and generous nature, he won championships, MVP's and finals MVP's.

Why is hakeem on here should have been your question, If you were to ask one...I wouldv'e put Oscar or Tim Duncan on here if you were gonna put hakeem.

You can make the argument that Shaq is the greatest Center of all time if you wanted, but he would prob lose out to Kareem and Wilt...Although I dont know if either of them in here could handle him.

People aint giving shaq his do...probrobly b/c they're too young to have really seen shaq in his prime years.

_Sn1P3r_
07-07-2008, 09:35 PM
Best case for GOAT is Michael Jordan even though other guys have a case. Here is a little something of why.


-Most scoring titles—10
-Most NBA Finals MVP awards—6
-Highest career scoring average—30.12
-Highest career scoring average playoffs— 33.45
-Highest career scoring average finals (12 games) - 33.57
-Most consecutive games scoring in double figures—866
-Highest single series scoring average NBA Finals—41.0 (1993)
-Most 40+ point games in the playoffs - 38 (no one else has even half that all time)
-Most 50+ point games in the playoffs - 8 (no one else has more than 4)
-Highest PER Ever - 27.91
-Never averaged less than 27.3 ppg in any playoff series

Interesting info. I too went with MJ

BigSteve
07-07-2008, 09:36 PM
I think it has to be Jordan. Wilt was amazing though. What can you say about a guy that they had to change the rules for? Still though, a large part of Wilt's dominance was his size. Jordan was pretty average sized. Not only was he the greatest scorer of his era, which may the greatest era of players the NBA has ever seen, he was a outstanding defender. He was the complete package, and he could take over any game at any time.

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 09:39 PM
1. MJ (6 Titles, 5 League MVP's, 6 Finals MVP's, Career Leader in PPG Regular Season and Playoffs, and Most Points in Playoffs, etc)
2. Magic (5 Titles, 3 League MVP's, 3 Finals MVP's, # of APG titles)
3. Kareem (6 Titles, 6 League MVP's, 3 Finals MVP's, Career Points leader)
4. Russell (11 Titles, 5 League MVP's)
5. Wilt (2 Titles, 4 League MVP's, 1 Finals MVP)

Close
6. Bird (3 Titles, 3 League MVP's, 2 Finals MVP's)
7. Shaq (4 Titles, 1 League MVP's, 3 Finals MVP's)
8. Hakeem (2 titles, 1 league MVP, 2 Finals MVP's, 2 DPOY)

So if we break it down, let's go by the following:


League MVP's
6 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
5 - Michael Jordan
5 - Bill Russell
4 - Wilt Chamberlain
3 - Larry Bird
3 - Magic Johnson
1 - Hakeem
1 - Shaq



Sporting News MVP's
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/tsn_mvp.html
7 - Michael Jordan
6 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4 - Bill Russell
4 - Wilt Chamberlain
2 - Shaq
1 - Larry Bird
1 - Magic Johnson
1 - Hakeem



Finals MVP's
6 - Michael Jordan
3 - Magic Johnson
3 - Shaquille O'neal
3 - Tim Duncan
2 - Kareem
2 - Bird
2 - Hakeem
1 - Wilt


Championships
11 - Bill Russell
6 - Michael Jordan
6 - Kareem
5 - Magic
4 - Shaq
4 - Duncan
2 - Wilt
2 - Hakeem



Career Stats and Records - Regular Season
APG Leader: Magic
RPG Leader: Wilt
All-time Career Points Leader: Kareem
All-time PPG Leader: M.Jordan

Playoff Stats and Records - Playoffs
Total Assists Leader: Magic Johnson
APG Leader Playoffs: Magic Johnson
Total Rebounds Leader: Bill Russell
RPG Leader Playoffs: Bill Russell
All-time Career Points Leader Playoffs: M.Jordan
All-time PPG Leader Playoffs: M.Jordan


Only player near the top in each was MJ. He has the accolades and the stats for his case.

Ramon Nivar
07-07-2008, 09:39 PM
Why is Shaq on here??? As much as I dislike him and those Bulls...sigh....MJ all the way. Just amazing to do what he did as a guard.

Since 1995(I firmly believe it would have been 1990 had Jordan not retired) only 2 teams not run by Jordan/Shaq/Duncan has won a championship. That is dominance and all 3 of them could probably be in the top player of all time discussion.

BigSteve
07-07-2008, 09:40 PM
People aint giving shaq his do...probrobly b/c they're too young to have really seen shaq in his prime years.

I thought the same thing when I read that. Shaq is possibly the most dominate player to ever play. If he was a halfway decent free throw shooter could you imagine what his scoring averages would have been like. When he was younger he could not be stopped. Watching him whenever he would play my team made me furious. Like a man among boys.

I Am Awesome-O
07-07-2008, 09:43 PM
It's Michael Jordan, hands down. I don't get why there has been so much debate about it lately.

theuuord
07-07-2008, 09:47 PM
Jordan.
Wilt had amazing stats in an era where he was playing people five inches his inferior, and where the offense was "give Wilt the ball and get the hell out of the way at all costs."

Every team in the last 30 years that's won a championship has had a dominating big man presence. Every team, that is, except for Jordan's Bulls.

He is the exception that proves every rule.

CubsFanBudMan74
07-07-2008, 09:47 PM
jordan

Ragun
07-07-2008, 09:49 PM
jordan.

Allabouthephils
07-07-2008, 09:59 PM
Shawn Bradley

dre1990
07-07-2008, 10:04 PM
witl da muta ****en stilts

PRETTY BIRD
07-07-2008, 10:08 PM
if shaq is in there you gotta think the kb would to wtf!

THE MTL
07-07-2008, 10:14 PM
Michael Jordan. How many legends did this guy prevent from winning a championship. If he would have never retired in 1993, Hakeem would have never won his either.

But he prevented: Barkely, Ewing, Malone, Payton (good version)

Wilt Chamberlain wouldnt have those CRAZY statistics in today's age. He was always the biggest man on the court. Now-a-days, almost every team has a seven footer. PLus, whenever a person can average almost 50pts a game which is about 50% of a team's scoring then something is wrong with the competition.

Micheal Jordan redefined an NBA superstar.

grega1976
07-07-2008, 10:18 PM
without a doubt it's WILT!!!!
the man scored 100pts in one game
Career average ppg 30.1ppg = Jordan's 30.1ppg
shot .727fg% for an entire 82gm season
averaged 22.9 rpg
averaged 37.6ppg 27.0rpg as a rookie

I mean Jordan is by far the greatest G of all time, and a close second behind Wilt, but Wilt is the GOAT!!!

deciding factor
WILT SLEPT WITH 30,000 women... GOAT!!!!!!

KH12
07-07-2008, 10:21 PM
Jordan.

phillyphan4ever
07-07-2008, 10:23 PM
MJ fade away!

yaowowrocket11
07-07-2008, 10:26 PM
Michael Jordan is one of the greatest athletes of all time, and easily the best NBA player.

DreamShaker
07-07-2008, 10:26 PM
I'm gonna go with Wilt....I could easily go with MJ.....but what's the fun of that?? Wilt dominated in a way that just cannot even be fathomed....

grega1976
07-07-2008, 10:28 PM
I think most people pick MJ just because they don't realize how dominant Wilt was.. MJ was amazing.. awesome... I love his game.. I honestly think that it is
Wilt
MJ






the rest..

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 10:37 PM
if shaq is in there you gotta think the kb would to wtf!

He doesn't even have a case.

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 10:39 PM
I think most people pick MJ just because they don't realize how dominant Wilt was.. MJ was amazing.. awesome... I love his game.. I honestly think that it is
Wilt
MJ






the rest..



They pick MJ because MJ was better. MJ was the greatest playoff performer of all time.

What did Wilt do in the playoffs? What did he do in the finals?

Did you know Wilt averaged 11.7 ppg in a finals series? Did you know MJ never averaged less than 27.3 ppg in any playoff series?

Wilt was great, but MJ overtook him in PPG in the regular season. In fact MJ is the only player to even average 30+ ppg in the playoffs for a career.

Also in 1980 Bill Russell was voted the greatest which is when both Wilt and Russell's careers were over.

Leftcoast_yg
07-07-2008, 10:47 PM
Magic. Couldnt be guarded, won 5 rings, couldve won more if not for his HIV infection

If he had played a few more years it wouldn't even be debatable.
Only player ever capable of playing positions 1-5

not to mention played every positon and won a title his rookie year:D

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 10:56 PM
not to mention played every positon and won a title his rookie year:D

What about the next year when they lost in the 1st round to a team that was below .500?

grega1976
07-07-2008, 11:01 PM
They pick MJ because MJ was better. MJ was the greatest playoff performer of all time.

What did Wilt do in the playoffs? What did he do in the finals?

Did you know Wilt averaged 11.7 ppg in a finals series? Did you know MJ never averaged less than 27.3 ppg in any playoff series?

Wilt was great, but MJ overtook him in PPG in the regular season. In fact MJ is the only player to even average 30+ ppg in the playoffs for a career.

Also in 1980 Bill Russell was voted the greatest which is when both Wilt and Russell's careers were over.

Russell was great also.. However Wilt was better.. Russell had better teams, and won 11 championships that's why he was voted greatest.. but if you look at his numbers, they are nothing compaired to Wilt's..
as far as Wilt in the playoffs your right he was terrible....
career playoffs 22.5ppg 24.5rpg 4.2apg
what series did he average 11.7ppg? not doubting you but i couldn't find it

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 11:06 PM
Russell was great also.. However Wilt was better.. Russell had better teams, and won 11 championships that's why he was voted greatest.. but if you look at his numbers, they are nothing compaired to Wilt's..
as far as Wilt in the playoffs your right he was terrible....
career playoffs 22.5ppg 24.5rpg 4.2apg
what series did he average 11.7ppg? not doubting you but i couldn't find it

http://webuns.chez-alice.fr/finals/1969.htm

This was his line

G FG FT-FTA PTS PPG
Chamberlain 7 29 24-66 82 11,7


Yes Russell had better teams, but the years Wilt had homecourt advantage he should have won as well because it means his team was better unless they both were top seeds.

homestarunner93
07-07-2008, 11:13 PM
Of course MJ is number 1, but I can't believe Kobe didn't even make the poll!

JordansBulls
07-07-2008, 11:16 PM
Of course MJ is number 1, but I can't believe Kobe didn't even make the poll!

Tim Duncan didn't either.

I think in order to make the poll you have had to won as the best player on your own team.

grega1976
07-07-2008, 11:20 PM
Of course MJ is number 1, but I can't believe Kobe didn't even make the poll!

Kobe? seriously? I can understand if you said Oscar Robertson, but Kobe?
I would put him on the list if he ever wins a championship w/o shaq.. until then.. I wish Oscar Robertson was on the list, he always gets overlooked on these polls... For christs sakes the guy averaged a triple-double for an entire season..

sanfranfan1210
07-07-2008, 11:23 PM
Michael Jordan

Bramaca
07-08-2008, 12:23 AM
Kobe? seriously? I can understand if you said Oscar Robertson, but Kobe?
I would put him on the list if he ever wins a championship w/o shaq.. until then.. I wish Oscar Robertson was on the list, he always gets overlooked on these polls... For christs sakes the guy averaged a triple-double for an entire season..

Same here, I just came on and looked at the list and there was no Oscar. I voted for Jordan as #1 anyways but Robertson is guarenteed top 5 if not top 3 and should be on the list before many players currently on there.

JordansBulls
07-08-2008, 12:30 AM
Here is why MJ is the GOAT


Highest PPG Average: 30.12
Most seasons leading league in Points: 11
Most scoring titles: 10
Highest PER Efficiency: 27.91

Also, MJ is no doubt the greatest playoff performer and IMO he was the greatest Road Player Ever. Most of his greatest feats happened on the road.

The Playoffs is where you make your name and where greatness is defined.

Playoffs

Most Points Per Game (min. 25 games)
33.4 by Michael Jordan (179 games)

Most Points in a Game
63 by Michael Jordan

Most 50 Point Games
8 by Michael Jordan

Most 40 Point Games
38 by Michael Jordan

Most 30 Point Games
109 by Michael Jordan

Most 20 Point Games
174 by Michael Jordan (he played 179 playoff games and scored under 20 only 5 times)

Most Playoff Points
5987 by Michael Jordan



MJ:
NBA Regular-season records Michael Jordan holds:
-Most seasons leading league in scoring: 10
-Highest scoring average, career: 30.12ppg
-Most consecutive points, one game: 23
-Most seasons leading league in field goals made: 10
-Most consecutive gms in double figures in scoring:
866
-Most consecutive seasons leading PER: 7
-Highest career PER: 27.91
-Oldest player to score 40+ points: age 40 (43 pts)
-Oldest player to score 50+ points: age 38 (51 pts)

NBA Regular-season records Michael Jordan shares:
-Most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring:
7 (tied with Wilt Chamberlain)
-Most consecutive seasons, 2,000 plus points: 11 (Tied
with Malone)


NBA Playoff records Michael Jordan holds:
-Highest scoring average, career: 33.4ppg
-Record Total points: 5987
-Record Most FTS made: 1463
-Most points playoffs, one-game: 63
-Most points playoffs, three-game series: 135 (vs.
Miami, 1992)
-Most Points playoffs, five-game series: 226 (vs.
Cleveland, 1988)
-Most field goals made playoffs, three-game series:
53 (vs. Miami, 1992)
-Most field goals made playoffs, five-game series: 86
(vs. Philadelphia, 1990)
-Most field goals made playoffs, six-game series: 101
(vs. Phoenix, 1993)
-Most consecutive 50pt games: 2
-Most consecutive 45pt games: 3
-Most consecutive games, 20 plus points: 60
-Most free throws made, one quarter: 13
-Most free throws attempted, one quarter: 14
-Most 50 point games: 8
-Most 40 point games: 39
-Most consecutive points: 23

NBA Playoff records Michael Jordan shares:
-Most field goals, in a game: 24 (vs. Cleveland, May
1, 1988; tied with two others)
-Most three-point field goals made, one half: 6
(first half vs. Portland, June 3, 1992; tied with four
others)

NBA Finals records Michael Jordan holds:
- Highest Scoring average: 33.6
-Most points, six-game series: 246 (vs. Phoenix,
1993)
-Most field goals made, five-game series: 63 (vs.
L.A. Lakers, 1991)
-Most field goals made, six-game series: 101 (vs.
Phoenix, 1993)
-Most steals, five-game series: 14 (vs. L.A. Lakers,
1991)
-Highest scoring average, one series: 41.0 (vs.
Phoenix, 1993)
-Most consecutive games, 40-plus points: 4 (June 11,
1993 to June 18, 1993)
-Most consecutive 30 point games: 9
-Most consecutive games, 20-plus points: 29 (June 22,

1991 to June 1997)
-Most points, one-half: 35 (vs. Portland, June 3,
1992)
-Most consecutive field goals: 13 (Vs. LA)
-Most consecutive points: 23 (Vs. Seattle)
-Most Finals MVPs: 6


Here's a list of ALL-TIME SCORING RECORDS.

- Highest career scoring average: MJ 30.12
- Highest career playoff scoring average: MJ 33.4
- Highest career Finals scoring average: MJ 33.6
- Highest single season scoring average: Wilt 50.4
- Highest single series playoff average: West 46.3
- Highest single Finals series average: MJ 41.0
- Most seasons leading league in scoring: MJ 10
- Most consecutive seasons leading in scoring: MJ,
Wilt tied at 7
- Most 50 point games: Wilt 118
- Most 50 point games playoffs: MJ 8
- Most 40 point games: Wilt 271
- Most 40 point games playoffs: MJ 42
- Most consecutive 60 point games: Wilt 4
- Most consecutive 50 point games: Wilt 7
- Most consecutive 50 point games in playoffs: MJ 2
- Most consecutive 45 point games: Wilt 7
- Most consecutive 45 point games playoffs: MJ 3
- Most consecutive 40 point games: Wilt 14
- Most consecutive 40 point games rookie: AI 5
- Most consecutive 40 point games playoffs: West 6
- Most consecutive 40 point games finals: MJ 4
- Most consecutive 35 point games: Wilt 33
- Most consecutive 30 point games: Wilt 65
- Most consecutive 30 point games playoffs: Elgin 11
- Most consecutive 30 point games finals: MJ 9
- Most consecutive 20 point games: Wilt 126
- Most consecutive 20 point games playoffs: MJ 60
- Most consecutive 20 point games finals: MJ 35
- Most consecutive double figures scoring: MJ 866
- Most consecutive points in one game: MJ 23
- Most consecutive points in one game playoffs: MJ 23
- Highest scoring game: Wilt 100
- Highest scoring game playoffs: MJ 63
- Highest scoring game finals: Elgin 61
- Highest scoring game rookie: Wilt 58
- Highest scoring all-star game: Wilt 42
- Highest scoring all-rookie game: Kobe 31
- Most points in 3 quarters: Wilt 69
- Most points in one half: Wilt 59
- Most points one half playoffs: Sleepy Floyd 39
- Most points in one half finals: MJ 35
- Most points one half all-star game: Rice 24
- Most points in one quarter: Gervin 33
- Most points in one quarter playoffs: Sleepy Floyd 29
- Most points in one quarter finals: Isiah 25
- Most points in one quarter all-star game: Rice 20
- Most points in OT: Arenas 16
- Most points in OT playoffs: Drexler 13
- Most points in OT in finals: Havlicek, Laimbeer,
Ainge tied at 9
- Oldest to score 50: MJ 51 at age 38
- Oldest to score 40: MJ 43 at age 40



http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basket ... al_points/

Top Playoff Single-Game Scoring Performances
Player Team Opponent Total Date
Michael Jordan Chicago at Boston 63 April 20, 1986
Elgin Baylor L.A. Lakers at Boston 61 April 14, 1962
Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Syracuse 56 March 22, 1962
Michael Jordan Chicago at Miami 56 April 29, 1992
Charles Barkley Phoenix at Golden State 56 May 4, 1994
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 55 May 1, 1988
Michael Jordan Chicago Phoenix 55 June 16, 1993
Michael Jordan Chicago Washington 55 April 27, 1997
John Havlicek Boston Atlanta 54 April 1, 1973
Michael Jordan Chicago New York 54 May 31, 1993
Allen Iverson Philadelphia Toronto 54 May 9, 2001
Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia Syracuse 53 March 14, 1960
Jerry West L.A. Lakers Boston 53 April 23, 1969
Jerry West L.A. Lakers Baltimore 52 April 5, 1965
Allen Iverson Philadelphia Toronto 52 May 16, 2001
Sam Jones Boston at New York 51 March 28, 1967
Eric Floyd Golden State L.A. Lakers 51 May 10, 1987
Bob Cousy Boston Syracuse 50* March 21, 1953
Bob Petit St. Louis Boston 50 April 12, 1958
Wilt Chamberlain Philadelphia at Boston 50 March 22, 1950
Wilt Chamberlain San Francisco St. Louis 50 April 10, 1964
Billy Cunningham Philadelphia Milwaukee 50 April 1, 1970
Bob McAdoo Buffalo Washington 50 April 18, 1975
Dominique Wilkins Atlanta Detroit 50 April 19, 1986
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50 April 28, 1988
Michael Jordan Chicago Cleveland 50^ May 5, 1989
Karl Malone Utah Seattle 50 April 22, 2000
Vince Carter Toronto Philadelphia 50 May 11, 2001
*4 overtimes
^overtime



NBA PLAYOFFS HIGH SCORING GAME BY YEAR
1946-47 - 37 Joe Fulks, PHW vs CHI at PHW 16Apr47
1947-48 - 34 Connie Simmons, BLT vs NYK at BLT 27Mar48
1948-49 - 42 George Mikan, MPL vs WSC 4Apr49 @ MPL
1949-50 - 40 George Mikan, MPL vs SYR at MPL 23Apr50
1950-51 - 41 George Mikan, MPL vs IDS at MPL 21Mar51
1951-52 - 47 George Mikan, MPL at ROC 29Mar52
1952-53 - 50 Bob Cousy, BOS vs SYR at BOS 21Mar53
1953-54 - 36 Dolph Schayes, SYR at NYK 21Mar54
1954-55 - 32 Bill Sharman, BOS at SYR 24Mar55
1955-56 - 43 Neil Johnson, PHW at SYR 25Mar56
1956-57 - 42 Bob Leonard, MPL vs STL at MPL 25Mar57
1957-58 - 50 Bob Pettit, STL vs BOS at STL 12Apr58
1958-59 - 40 Cliff Hagan, STL vs MPL at STL 21Mar59
1959-60 - 53 Wilt Chamberlain, PHW vs SYR at PHW 14Mar60
1960-61 - 47 Elgin Baylor, LAL at DET 18Mar61
............... 47 Elgin Baylor, LAL at STL 27Mar61
1961-62 - 61 Elgin Baylor, LAL at BOS 14Apr62
1962-63 - 47 Sam Jones, BOS vs CIN at BOS 10Apr63
1963-64 - 50 Wilt Chamberlain, SFW vs STL at SFW 10Apr64
1964-65 - 52 Jerry West, LAL vs BAL at LAL 3Apr65
1965-66 - 46 Wilt Chamberlain, PHI vs BOS at PHI 12Apr66
1966-67 - 55 Rick Barry, SFW vs PHI at SFW 18Apr67
1967-68 - 46 Zelmo Beaty, STL vs SFW 23Mar68 @ STL
1968-69 - 53 Jerry West, LAL vs BOS at LAL 23Apr69
1969-70 - 50 Billy Cunningham, PHI vs MIL at PHI 1Apr70
1970-71 - 39 Gail Goodrich, LAL at CHI 28Mar71
1971-72 - 43 John Havlicek BOS at ATL 31Mar72
1972-73 - 54 John Havlicek, BOS vs ATL at BOS 1Apr73
1973-74 - 44 Bob McAdoo, BUF vs BOS 6Apr74 at BUF
............... 44 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, MIL at CHI 18Apr74
1974-75 - 50 Bob McAdoo, BUF vs WAS at BUF 18Apr75
1975-76 - 45 Fred Brown, SEA vs PHO at SEA 15Apr76
1976-77 - 45 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, LAL vs GSW at LAL 29Apr77
1977-78 - 46 George Gervin, SAN vs WAS at SAN 18Apr78
1978-79 - 42 George Gervin, SAN vs WAS at SAN 11May79
............... 42 George Gervin, SAN at WAS 18May79
1979-80 - 44 George Gervin, SAN vs HOU at SAN 4Apr80
1980-81 - 42 Calvin Murphy, HOU at SAN 17Apr81
............... 42 Moses Malone, HOU vs KCK at HOU 26Apr81
1981-82 - 39 George Gervin, SAN vs LAL at SAN 14May82
............... 39 Andrew Toney, PHI vs BOS at PHI 16May82
1982-83 - 42 Alex English, DEN vs PHO at PHO 24Apr83
............... 42 George Gervin, SAN at DEN 26Apr83
1983-84 - 46 Bernard King, NYK at DET 19Apr84
............... 46 Bernard King, NYK vs DET at NYK 22Apr84
1984-85 - 43 Rolando Blackman, DAL vs POR at DAL 18Apr85
............... 43 Larry Bird, BOS vs DET at BOS 8May85
1985-86 - 63 Michael Jordan, CHI at BOS 20Apr86
1986-87 - 51 Sleepy Floyd, GSW vs LAL at GSW 10May87
1987-88 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI 1May88
1988-89 - 50 Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE at CHI 5May89
1989-90 - 49 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI 11May90
1990-91 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at PHI 10May91
1991-92 - 56 Michael Jordan, CHI at MIA 29Apr92
1992-93 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs PHO at CHI 16Jun93
1993-94 - 56 Charles Barkley, PHO at GSW 4May94
1994-95 - 48 Michael Jordan, CHI at CHA 28Apr95
1995-96 - 46 Michael Jordan, CHI at NYK 11May96
1996-97 - 55 Michael Jordan, CHI vs WAS at CHI 27Apr97
1997-98 - 45 Michael Jordan, CHI at UTA 14Jun98
1998-99 - 37 Tim Duncan, SAN at LAL 22May99
............... 37 Scottie Pippen, HOU vs LAL at HOU 13May99
............... 37 Shaquille O'Neal, LAL vs HOU at HOU 15May99
............... 37 Allen Iverson, PHI vs ORL at PHI 15May99
1999-00 - 50 Karl Malone, UTA vs SEA at UTA 22Apr00
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ALL-TIME HIGHEST SCORING AVERAGES, NBA PLAYOFFS
Jerry West, LAL vs BAL, 1965..... 46.3
Michael Jordan, CHI vs CLE, 1988..... 45.2
Michael Jordan, CHI vs MIA, 1992..... 45.0

ALL-TIME HIGHEST SCORING AVERAGES, NBA CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES/NBA FINALS
Michael Jordan, CHI vs PHO, 1993..... 41.0
Rick Barry, SFW vs PHI, 1965..... 40.8
Elgin Baylor, LAL vs BOS, 1962..... 40.6

Also MJ has 6 series in the playoffs over 40+ ppg which is the most ever and he scored 40+ in 4 straight games in the finals and the only player to do so. He also scored 50+ in back to back playoff games, and was the only player to ever do that.


And for people using the era difference, if that is the case why is Iverson 2nd all time in PPG in the PLAYOFFS and 3rd all time in PPG in the season?


http://www.nba.com/statistics/encyc/Player.jsp

PPG All Time (http://www.nba.com/statistics/default_all_time_leaders/AllTimeLeadersPPGQuery.html?topic=4&stat=0)


Here were the requirements

NBA ALL-TIME LEADERS:
(All statistical records + playoff records + career averages + playoff averages + MVPs + Finals MVPs + Rings + All-1st teams + All-1st Defensive Teams + All-star games + All-star MVPS)

This is how it broke down each category:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-06-dupree-team_x.htm


This is how it broke down each category:
NBA MVP awards won (five points each)
NBA championships won (five points each)
All-Star Games selected to play in (one point each)
All-NBA first-team selections (two points each)
All-defensive first team (one point each)
NBA Finals MVP awards (two points each)
All-Star MVP awards (one point each)
Individual statistical titles (two points each) — restricted to points, rebounds, assists, field goal percentage and free throw percentage, the stats the league has used the longest
Career averages (six points each) — if a player is the NBA career leader in scoring average, rebounds, assists, field goal percentage or free throw percentage
Career playoff averages (five points each) — for each category the player leads


That was the criteria used

1st Place: MJ, 149 total points
2nd Place: Wilt, 124 total points
3rd Place: Bill, 118 total points
4th Place: Jabbar, 114 total points
5th Place: Magic, 102 total points

Now adding up the current players you get (Active Players):
1st Place: Shaq, 85 total points
2nd Place: Tim, 71 total points
3rd Place: KB, 54 total points (including this season)


These players all lost these series with Homecourt advantage which means they were the favorite. If someone was injured like a main star then that factors in, but if not that doesn't factor in the discussion.



Wilt Chamberlain (lost in ’60-61, ’65-66, ’67-68, ’68-69, ’72-73)

Magic Johnson (lost in ’80-81, ’85-86, ’89-90)

Kareem (lost in ’72-73, ’73-74, ’76-77, ’80-81, ’85-86)

Larry Bird (lost in ’79-80, ’81-82, ’82-83, ’84-85, ’87-88,

Oscar Robertson (lost in ’61-62, ’64-65, ’72-73, ’73-74)

Jerry West (lost in ’68-69, ’72-73)

Shaq (lost in ’93-94, ’94-95, ’03-04)

Kobe (lost in '03-04)

Hakeem (lost in ’84-85, ’86-87)

Duncan (lost in ’00-01, ’03-04)

Bill Russell (lost in 1958) - however he was injured



MJ never lost a series with homecourt advantage/better seed/better record.

Also consider the following:

Is 18% a good percentage?

In what you might ask... 18% winning percentage...

Pretty awful right?

Well in 60 years of NBA Basketball only 11 league leading scorers have won a championship... That's 18.333333%...

Their names are: Shaquille O'Neal, Michael Jordan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, George Mikan and some guy named Joe Fulks...

Most of these players were dominant Centers, who did more than just score.

That means that non center players who led the league in scoring have won in an amazing 10% of the time.. and only one player did it... Michael Jordan. In one era. That phenomenon of nature who won six...

10% winning historically!!! 10 PERCENT!!!

I will argue that the odds are against a high scoring guard from winning it all.

Would you?

I will argue that who ever is the only one to do that should be considered a truly great.. would you?

I will say that the way to go is to build a team in which you get many other good options to score, a balanced attack?


http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

MJ has led in Offensive Win Shares 8x, and was 2nd 1x.


OWS
Offensive Win Shares (available since the 1977-78 season in NBA); please see the article Calculating Win Shares for more information.

Offensive Win Shares are credited to players based on Dean Oliver's Offensive Ratings

1.) Offensive Win Shares
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (3)
1986-87 NBA 29.0 (4)
1987-88 NBA 39.6 (1)
1988-89 NBA 42.7 (1)
1989-90 NBA 44.3 (1)
1990-91 NBA 40.6 (1)
1991-92 NBA 34.2 (1)
1992-93 NBA 34.1 (1)
1995-96 NBA 38.5 (1)
1996-97 NBA 37.3 (1)
1997-98 NBA 28.6 (2)
NBA 413.5 (1)
Career 413.5 (1)


2.) MJ has led in Win Shares 8x, and was 2nd 1x


WS
Win Shares (available since the 1977-78 season in NBA); please see the article Calculating Win Shares for more information.

A Win Share is worth one-third of a team win. Win Shares are assigned to players based on their offense, defense, and playing time.

Win Shares
1984-85 NBA 40 (3)
1986-87 NBA 43 (4)
1987-88 NBA 58 (1)
1988-89 NBA 59 (1)
1989-90 NBA 59 (1)
1990-91 NBA 56 (1)
1991-92 NBA 51 (1)
1992-93 NBA 50 (1)
1995-96 NBA 57 (1)
1996-97 NBA 52 (1)
1997-98 NBA 45 (2)


3.)



WSAA
If a team wins 60 games, there are 180 Win Shares to distribute among the players. This is always true; if a team wins n games, then there are 3n Win Shares to allocate to the players.


MJ has led in Win Shares Above Average 8x, no one else has led by even half that.

Win Shares Above Average
1987-88 NBA 28.0 (1)
1988-89 NBA 27.5 (1)
1989-90 NBA 26.5 (1)
1990-91 NBA 26.5 (1)
1991-92 NBA 24.5 (1)
1992-93 NBA 23.5 (1)
1995-96 NBA 28.0 (1)
1996-97 NBA 24.0 (1)


In my mind MJ is the GOAT, and I provided ample evidence of why I feel that way, but it is really close as guys like Kareem, Russell, Wilt, Magic and Bird on right their in the discussion, but when you consider how good MJ was on both ends of the court and how efficient he was as a player and the fact that he was a guard that in itself helps his case much more.

Also let's not forget MJ is currently the only player to average 30+ ppg for a career in the playoffs and he is the only one to do so in the season, playoffs and finals and he has the highest average in each of them and his has the most playoff points ever.

Here was a clip in 1993 where even Jerry West mentioned MJ was the best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1mFE_ekV7E&mode=related&search=


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZquLVr3MeGk&feature=related
@ the 1:30 mark, Dick Stockton refers to Jerry West mentioning that MJ was the greatest ever period.


Pat Riley mentions that Jordan will always be considered the best
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0565oawy9Ak


7:55 mark Isiah Thomas debates on why MJ was the best over Wilt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP-Rm2atzU0


2:15-2:35 mark Kobe says MJ is the greatest ever
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YkG9TGtgiM&feature=related



http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2003-02-06-dupree-team_x.htm




Magic Johnson says there is no debate.

"Michael is the greatest player ever

khoolit_jom#8
07-08-2008, 12:35 AM
I'd go to MJ..
simply becoz he change the game.. he put it in a different level when he came in the NBA... his the first of his kind... his the god father of modern basketball.. remember when he came no one moves like him in the NBA... not until now.. his prototype are players like Kobe, Penny, T-mac, VC and many more...lol

stawka
07-08-2008, 12:40 AM
if shaq is in there you gotta think the kb would to wtf!

Shaq is one of two guys to win 3 Finals MVP's in a row. Only he and Jordan have done it. Rethink what you say

WatWoudJordanDo
07-08-2008, 01:08 AM
my fav stat about the GOAT is he shot .497 shooting % and if not fot those 2 years which should never had existed he would be above 50%...as a ****ing 2 guard

AIMelo=KillaDUO
07-08-2008, 01:25 AM
Mj.

Beno7500
07-08-2008, 01:31 AM
Not jordan. Probably wilt or kareem

cuttygiantsfan
07-08-2008, 01:33 AM
wilt got my vote

*Superman*
07-08-2008, 01:42 AM
Is this even necessary, Jordan

Eightyfive Y'aw
07-08-2008, 01:55 AM
Jordan. Jordan came back from injury early on in his career and added the fadeaway J and even better defense to his reportoire. He was a gift from heaven...if you just look at an old picture of him and his family he is like 10 inches taller than his dad and brother like god bestowed upon him all the right gifts. Alright, well whatever, but he is my number 1 because no one is or was that clutch. As things got tricky he elevated his game. Great players today have some of his traits but not as much overall game and none of them or anyone performs as well under pressure. We have all sensed the impending doom of a losing effort...we look at the clock we count the deficit or the yards to go and then you hope. If you throw in nerves, noise, fatigue, conditions, brevity of situation, injury, illness or a Steve Bartman (sorry steve) anything can happen. With Jordan anything couldn't happen he would find a way I have seen him do it against the Cavs, Pistons, sweep of the Lakers, and then do Utah (ugly) all unexpectedly. There have been better single performances (like reggie miller's 10 points in 4 seconds er whatever, kobe 80 points etc) but not as consistently and not with as much on the line. As a kid I used to be beside myself watching him, I have ran down out onto the streets of Chicago yelling because we had won and it seemingly wasn't supposed to happen, but we had Spiderman (his nickname -remember?) This is all just an opinion but to me he transcended specific team loyalites, his race, and even basketball. Example? Fans whom didn't like the Bulls loved Jordan, People who perhaps might have looked at someone's race as an issue made an exception for Jordan, people who never even cared about basketball still knew Jordan and marveled at his feats. Those type guys are once in a generation and ya Tiger Woods might be too. What he did for our city and sports morale during the 80's and 90's is immeasureable.

LayZbone
07-08-2008, 03:08 AM
Air Jordan

GregOden#1
07-08-2008, 02:14 PM
I never got why the "Jordan isn't the greatest" thread was deleted, I guess we have some seriously biased mods if they dont allow that thread but allow all the threads DWADE3AI3's new account makes.

Anyway, like I said in that thread, if you have a criteria, follow through with it. The argument in the Jordan isn't the greatest thread was that people are being dishonest with themselves and going by their biases unlike what they actually think. If you believe Jordan is the greatest because he has what you believe to be the best combination of individual and team accomplishments then go with that, but if you set your criteria like that than Kareem should be either 1b to Jordan's 1a. If you're like me and believe that team accomplishments are a crutch that gives players that arent as skilled and were only blessed to be on a great team then Wilt should be your #1. If you're in the rare class of people that believe that rings are all that matter, because stats arent as important as sacrificing for the team then Bill Russell should be your #1.

JordansBulls
07-08-2008, 02:41 PM
I understand where you are coming from now.

But I just feel in order to justify someone being the greatest ever in a sport it has to be and individual who dominated statistically as well has the team success.
It has to be an individual that was great in virtually mostly all facets of the game.
Since we are talking basketball it would mean an individual who was great on both ends of the floor.
Also it would have to be an individual who has shown the ability to win as the team's best player.

Guys like MJ, Wilt and Kareem all have the numbers and stats and have won as the teams best player. But in reality everything needs to be included. Titles, Accolades, stats, ability on both ends of the floor, etc


For me personally I do have Kareem as the next player after MJ based on that criteria as he was great on both ends of the floor as well and has the accolades as well.
The big issue with Kareem is that although he won 6 titles like MJ, you can say he won 2 of them when he really wasn't a superstar anymore.
Kinda like if Shaq had won a title with Phoenix last year.
Also the fact that he won about half the time as the team's best player.

With Wilt, you get a statistic giant who did great in the season. My biggest problem with him is his playoff performances. For a guy whose best asset was being a scorer, to drop 7 ppg from the season to the playoffs hinders him a lot. I don't think any all time great player's numbers should decrease that much especially in scoring in the playoffs from the regular season.
Also you can't say Wilt didn't have talented teams. His 1967 team was voted greatest team ever in 1980. He also played with 2 top 15 players all time in West and Baylor.
So to say he didn't play with talented teams is absurb.
When going against Russell, I don't fault him for losing when the Celtics had the better record, but when Wilt's team had the better record especially in 1968 and 1969 where his team was up 3-1 and 3-2 he has to get a lot of blame for that.

For Russell, he is the greatest winner of all time, and he has accolades as well. The problem to me is his numbers.
To shoot 44% for your career from the field as a Center is a big thing that sticks out in my mind and he was considered the greatest defender but not so hot on offense.

Also if rings were the biggest attribute then I would think Havlicek should be a top 5 player all time and better than Bird, but he isn't and that is why rings in itself doesn't make one better than another.
I've always held that notion that if your only argument for one player being better than another is rings, then you really don't have an argument.
Rings just makes your case a lot better, but a greater argument needs to be made.
Comparing John Stockton to Isiah Thomas is an example.


Really speaking, as I even mentioned earlier, it is different to judge who is the GOAT in any sport. However, there is always a player that has the best case for being the GOAT in a sport. This is why MJ is considered to be the GOAT by many because he has the combination of accolades, team success, stats in the season and playoffs and he defied what most said couldn't be done without a dominant big man that could score in the paint.

Mallpha
07-08-2008, 04:18 PM
Hakeem shoting guard locked in center body superbd on both ends of the court.

Jordan was a great player best sg of all time no doubt. To be honest I always had strong doubts if he could acomplish all that with out Pippen Grant Rodman Harper.

Its not about questioning what he did and how great he was but the way i look at it i would take Hakeem in his prime over Jordan in his prime every time.

chicagowhitesox
07-08-2008, 04:39 PM
MJ. He played hard every game on both ends. Greatest leader ever.

JordansBulls
07-08-2008, 04:40 PM
Hakeem shoting guard locked in center body superbd on both ends of the court.

Jordan was a great player best sg of all time no doubt. To be honest I always had strong doubts if he could acomplish all that with out Pippen Grant Rodman Harper.

Its not about questioning what he did and how great he was but the way i look at it i would take Hakeem in his prime over Jordan in his prime every time.

Rodman was 35 on the Bulls and Pippen was 31 and Jordan was 33 the year they won 72 games.

In 1998 MJ was 35, Pippen 33 with a messed up foot and back and Rodman was 37. Pippen missed over half the season and averaged 15 ppg on 40% in the finals and the Bulls won.

Hakeem in 1997 had Barkley and Drexler (2 other top 25 players) and lost to the Stockton and Malone Jazz. Same thing happened in 1998. In 1999 Hakeem had Pippen and Barkley and they lost in the 1st round.


I think people get too wrapped up on how Hakeem played in 1994 and 1995 that they take it as if he always played that way.


Here was an article showing the difference in winning and losing between the 2 thru 1996.
http://www.rawbw.com/~deano/articles/JordanvsOlaj.html



My principal method for evaluating the overall effectiveness of players is to look at their individual win-loss records. I calculated these for Jordan and Olajuwon all the way back to the '86-87 season (before that, I haven't entered into the computer all the data I need):

Jordan Olajuwon
W L % W L %
'87 17.0 2.4 0.877 12.3 2.2 0.850
'88 19.4 0.7 0.967 11.9 2.1 0.850
'89 18.0 0.7 0.961 14.9 1.7 0.898
'90 18.0 1.1 0.942 14.2 1.8 0.888
'91 17.5 0.4 0.980 9.3 0.5 0.945
'92 15.9 0.6 0.966 10.6 1.5 0.873
'93 17.0 0.8 0.953 17.3 0.8 0.957
'94 16.8 1.1 0.937
'95 2.8 0.9 0.757 14.0 2.3 0.859
'96 5.8 0.2 0.964 5.4 1.1 0.834

Total 131.4 7.8 0.944 126.7 15.1 0.894




When players are this good, you have to get into the details and identify the small things that are important and exactly how they are important. That's what my methods do. And they consistently show that Jordan has been a better player than Olajuwon (and everyone else, for that matter).




is a rather significant edge and, though, there is no way of evaluating what this really means since we can't compare a team of Jordans to a team of Olajuwons, it indicates very strongly that Jordan contributes more to winning than Olajuwon, another great player

ho_va2006
07-08-2008, 04:57 PM
Shaq??? Is he really on the list? hahaha

Mallpha
07-08-2008, 04:59 PM
Not every one gets old same way so numbers are one thing Hakeem in his prime wasnt in sucha great company.
Drexler came probobly for the least 2 seasons in witch Hakeem was still a force when Barkley came also he had serious back problems and remamber Hakeem wasnt sucha healthy guy as well.

I can understand every one who says Jordan is the greatest of all time but for me he never was that guy and never will be.

Watchign Jordan was amazing exiprience nothing fits the amazing happends slogan more than what Jordan did on court but all in all if i should pick one player to build a team around it would be Olajuwon.

My subjective point of view and no stats on earth can change that i would take Olajuwon over Jordan to build a team around.

JordansBulls
07-08-2008, 05:24 PM
Not every one gets old same way so numbers are one thing Hakeem in his prime wasnt in sucha great company.
Drexler came probobly for the least 2 seasons in witch Hakeem was still a force when Barkley came also he had serious back problems and remamber Hakeem wasnt sucha healthy guy as well.

I can understand every one who says Jordan is the greatest of all time but for me he never was that guy and never will be.

Watchign Jordan was amazing exiprience nothing fits the amazing happends slogan more than what Jordan did on court but all in all if i should pick one player to build a team around it would be Olajuwon.

My subjective point of view and no stats on earth can change that i would take Olajuwon over Jordan to build a team around.

That's fine if that's your opinion, but an opinion means nothing when you can't support it. You need to be able to back up your assertions. Hakeem was amazing, and is one of the greatest ever, but he is not the greatest ever or even top 5 greatest ever.

Pierzynski4Prez
07-08-2008, 05:30 PM
I'm sorry, but I still can't even believe this is a discussion. How is anybody here realistically not saying Jordan. Stupid. He is hands down the best player to ever step foot on a basketball court. Every analyst to ever have anything to do with basketball would agree, even if they were a die hard laker fan. Its no competition.

QuaLiThADoN
07-08-2008, 11:25 PM
mj had the full package

SHONIE
07-09-2008, 01:00 AM
Why is this even a question...?

lakerboy
07-09-2008, 01:21 AM
Kobe.

I'm kidding.

It's definitely MJ.

ridere46
07-09-2008, 01:47 AM
MJ because I watched him play. I can't really judge Wilt and Russel or anyone else in that era fairly. I have to go by what I've witnessed. Numbers are pointless to debate over when there's a generational gap. If you go by stats then Wilt is an easy pick but I haven't seen anyone better than MJ since I started watching the NBA in the 80's.

Lakersfan2483
07-09-2008, 02:13 AM
1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. Kareem
4. Shaq
5. Russell
6. Wilt
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Duncan
10. Oscar

Lakersfan2483
07-09-2008, 02:15 AM
11. M. Malone
12. Kobe
13. J.West
14. K. Malone
15. C. Barkley

avsman05
07-09-2008, 02:17 AM
Jordan created a whole new era of the nba he has a butt load of records. how many championships would that team have had wo him? 0

chad311k9
07-09-2008, 05:54 AM
good! nobody in here whining that "KOBE" wasn't a choice. people that hang off kobe's nuts make me sick!:puke:

my vote is for MJ, no doubt about it!

NJrockPD
07-09-2008, 06:24 AM
MANUTE BOL.


seriously though, it's gotta be MJ

LakerzDQ
07-09-2008, 07:20 AM
good! nobody in here whining that "KOBE" wasn't a choice. people that hang off kobe's nuts make me sick!:puke:

my vote is for MJ, no doubt about it!

Michael Jordan was just everything a basketball player need to be.
I put Magic as 2nd, and the 3rd is a close case for all.

even if I try to speak critically of Kobe, I'd gotta say Kobe's a top 10, if not top 5 player of all time. no need to diss kobe.

theimortalone
07-09-2008, 08:11 AM
MJ23 of course!!! Jordan is the greatest player of all time, no one will ever even compare to what he did to the game of basketball!

Buckwheat
07-09-2008, 08:19 AM
I was the 100th vote for MJ

:dance:

Do I get a cookie?

jayp420
07-09-2008, 10:23 AM
MJ... enough said, no need for explaining.... can anyone really argue this..

Dynasty
07-09-2008, 10:44 AM
MJ, no doubt

tsb77
07-09-2008, 10:58 AM
i think JordansBulls has proved MJ is the greatest

fredv
07-09-2008, 11:10 AM
MJ was a monster, i'm going with him.

Btw, Hakeem is the best rebounder.

McPeak92
07-09-2008, 11:46 AM
its gotta be the man the myth the legend that is wilt

Liney3506
07-09-2008, 04:25 PM
Wilt played in an era where he had no competition, other than Russell.

MJ has proved again and again why he is the greatest.

LAKERMANIA
07-09-2008, 04:32 PM
It has to be MJ23

GregOden#1
07-09-2008, 04:47 PM
Wilt played in an era where he had no competition, other than Russell.

MJ has proved again and again why he is the greatest.

Wilt played better centers than MJ played guards....

DR.J9
07-09-2008, 06:17 PM
Manute Bol... :D

I picked MJ

IBleedPurple
07-09-2008, 06:35 PM
Wilt played against guys that ate terrible food, didn't train, and didn't watch hours of film. They were guys that would get tore up by some high schoolers these days. I respect that he was by far the best of his time, and probably top ten, but come on......

There is no other but Mr. Jordan. Period. End of Story. Look at the poll

(I think Magic is somewhere 2-5, but saying he could even play center is ridiculous.)

_Supreme_
07-09-2008, 06:38 PM
Well this one is pretty clear and done.

I don't know who those 4 fools who voted "other" think is it, although I can guess for 2 of the 4 :rolleyes: :drunk:

"WhatIf"
07-09-2008, 06:48 PM
Good to see so many people voting. Hopefully we get this many people voting as we go further down the list.

DreamShaker
07-09-2008, 07:07 PM
Good to see so many people voting. Hopefully we get this many people voting as we go further down the list.

I'm ready to get further down no doubts....

"WhatIf"
07-09-2008, 07:16 PM
I'm ready to get further down no doubts....
Yeah, it's only going to get better as we go further down. This one was obvious who would win and we still had 159 people voting and counting...

JAYZFAN9
07-09-2008, 07:23 PM
MJ





everyone else

Goon.Weezy
07-09-2008, 07:44 PM
when its all said and done KOBE BRYANT will go down as the best player of all time

JIDsanity
07-09-2008, 07:54 PM
when its all said and done KOBE BRYANT will go down as the best player of all time

:crazy:

"WhatIf"
07-09-2008, 08:12 PM
Somebody needs to unsticky this one soon and sticky the #2 thread(Going to be made in 5-10 mins).

GregOden#1
07-09-2008, 09:12 PM
Wilt played against guys that ate terrible food, didn't train, and didn't watch hours of film.

Neither did Wilt. Should we also punish Alexander the Great because his army didn't fight with guns and he'd get smashed by a modern day infantry division? Are we also to assume that Alexander was a terrible general because of that fact?

JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 12:22 AM
Neither did Wilt. Should we also punish Alexander the Great because his army didn't fight with guns and he'd get smashed by a modern day infantry division? Are we also to assume that Alexander was a terrible general because of that fact?

Great Point, some people just don't understand how things are. I am one who base things on how people actually did.

Just like you can't compare the Roman Military in the 1st century to the United States Military in the 21st century and say the United States was better because they have better weapons.

JordansBulls
07-10-2008, 12:32 AM
when its all said and done KOBE BRYANT will go down as the best player of all time

I'm just waiting for a credible response as to how Kobe can be the best player in the NBA on par with Jordan when:

He has NO top 50 all time Finals series, even though he's been there 5 times.

His past two Finals appearances were some of the all time worse for a "superstar"

Four out of his five Finals appearances have been subpar performances.


How in the world does this equal "best player in the game bar none" "comparable to Michael Jordan", etc. etc.?

It's like it doesn't even matter to his enthusists how he plays anymore. No matter how bad he plays on the NBA HIGHEST STAGE, it's always "Oh well, Kobe's still the best player in the league or ever". It's ridiculous.


If you're the best and comparable to a player most people believe is GOAT, you're supposed to have LEGENDARY performances in the Finals, not play poorly and still get celebrated for it.


Anyway we are on #2 now so we can discuss in that thread now.