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Rtardz
07-07-2008, 04:32 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/07/07/favre/index.html?eref=T1

iam brett favre
07-07-2008, 04:50 PM
I dont see why its a nightmare, i want him back.

SDteacher
07-07-2008, 05:03 PM
can someone post the contents of that link on this thread my work computer is blocking it. Ahh School Systems!!

iam brett favre
07-07-2008, 05:06 PM
We are early in what I can guarantee will be a very tumultuous month in the recurring Brett Favre will-he-or-won't-he saga, and what I can tell you for sure is this: No. 4 wants to play football again, and the Green Bay Packers desperately do not want him to.

Will he play? I don't know. I don't think he knows. He has, however, told coach Mike McCarthy he wants to return.

The issue is going to be pressed soon. I fully expect Favre's agent to send a letter to the Packers within the next 10 days, stating that Favre, 38, wants to be taken off the National Football League's reserve/retired list. At that point, the team will have no choice but to re-admit the league's most accomplished statistical quarterback ever back to football, and general manager Ted Thompson and McCarthy will have a decision to make that you can be sure is keeping them up nights. They can take Favre and his $12.8-million cap number back onto the team and give him his starting job back, they can trade him or they can release him.

Every one of those options makes the Packers wretch. I've been told an edgy McCarthy told Favre, in their most recent phone conversation a couple of weeks ago, the legendary quarterback would put the Packers in a tough spot by reneging on his March 6 retirement. Favre understands. But I don't think it's going to stop him from doing what his body tells him to do -- play football again.

In the past few years, Favre has begun to prepare for training camp by throwing to high-school receivers at Oak Grove High School in Hattiesburg, Miss., and when he's done that in the past month, his arm has felt pain-free and strong. That, plus the fact he hasn't found anything else to do in retirement other than the chores on his 465 acres in Hattiesburg, is making him think he wants to play football again.

And one other thing: I believe as Favre looks back on his decision to retire, he thinks part of the reason he made it was he felt it would have been easier to retire and return if he changed his mind than to blindly say he was going to keep playing -- only to find out in mid-August his heart was not in it. When he made the decision a month after the Super Bowl, he announced it with certainty. But the further he's gotten from the season, the more he realizes he still wants to play. The 2007 season was one of his three or four best as a pro. This wouldn't be a broken-down Johnny Unitas slinking back for an 18th year in San Diego. This would be Favre, in his 18th season, coming off a year when he set personal records for completion percentage (.665) and yards-per-pass-attempt (7.8).

McCarthy has also told Favre he worries about him tarnishing his legacy. The one thing I don't believe Favre understands yet is the tumult which will greet his return to the Packers, or to another NFL team. There are Packer fans who have moved on, and wish he would do the same. He doesn't realize fully -- yet -- that Brett Favre returning to the Packers would bug a slew of Packerphiles who wish he'd make a decision and stick with it and ride off into the sunset with his glory intact. Because he insulates himself from much of the football world in Mississippi, I'm sure he doesn't realize the impact that playing for another team would have on his bleed-Packer-green fandom. Playing for any old NFL team would be crime enough to many of his faithful, but playing for a rival like Minnesota or Chicago would be like Johnny Damon spurning the Red Sox for the Yankees. Times five.

All of this scares the living tar out of McCarthy and Thompson. They've happily proceeded through the off-season preparing the 24-year-old successor to Favre, Aaron Rodgers, to take his place, and they don't want their grand plan interrupted now. It's quite understandable. Rodgers has shown promise, and the Packers have him signed through the end of the 2009 season. Can you imagine what Rodgers would think if McCarthy came to him this week and said, "I know you've been working hard getting ready to start for us, and we've promised you the starting job, but we're going to bring Brett back for one year. Or two. Or three.'' If I were Rodgers, and I'd already waited through three years without starting a game, and Favre returned, I know what I'd tell McCarthy. That's fine, Mike. But I will never sign another contract with the Packers. After 2009, whatever happens, I'm gone.

That's not the only reason why McCarthy and Thompson are scared. There are two more, actually.


There :up:

Rtardz
07-07-2008, 05:23 PM
theres actually page two to it. you only copied a page one

Rtardz
07-07-2008, 05:24 PM
One: Say they accept Favre back, then try to trade him. They're going to get, what, a third-round pick from Tampa Bay or the New York Jets or Washington for him? They'll forever be known as the men who sent the greatest Packer packing. And there's no guarantee Favre would agree to go to just any team if he chooses to come back. Don't put it past him and agent Bus Cook to refuse to report to a team Favre doesn't want to play for.

Two: Say the Packers allow Favre his freedom, which I think ultimately is what Favre wants if he doesn't get his starting job back in Green Bay. Overwhelmingly the team that makes the most sense to sign Favre for a couple of years is Minnesota. The Vikings are training Tarvaris Jackson to be their quarterback of the future, but he's an unproven commodity with promise at best. Their offensive coordinator is Darrell Bevell, who was Favre's quarterback coach for three years, from 2003-05. They have a close relationship. Not Steve Mariucci-Favre close, but Favre has a lot of respect for him. Imagine Favre in purple. It's an absolutely vomitous scenario for the Packers, imagining Favre playing for their arch-rivals -- and imagining Favre charging out of the tunnel at Lambeau Field for the opening game of the 2008 season. Lambeau Field, Monday Night Football, the night Favre was supposed to have his number retired for the Packers.

Which is why I believe the Packers, even though they desperately want Favre to stay retired, will take him back if he presses the issue. They'll try to mollify Rodgers somehow, which I think will be difficult. Impossible, maybe. They'll hope Favre changes his mind and goes back into retirement sometime in August ... which, if he shows up for the first day of camp, I will guarantee you he will not do. But they'll grit their teeth and smile for the cameras when he returns, all the while cursing his flip-flopness.

The smartest thing for the Packers to do right now, if Favre continues to charge ahead and insist he wants to play, would be for McCarthy and Thompson to meet with Favre in the next 10 days and try to convince him not to play. I don't think it would work, particularly because I don't sense Favre is feeling all warm and fuzzy about Packer brass right now. But Favre's an emotional sort.

One story that's never been fully told is why Favre returned in 2006, after he was convinced he'd thrown his last pass. A good part of the reason was a visit Thompson made to Hattiesburg, urging Favre to play one more year and to give then-rookie coach McCarthy a chance. The Packers, Thompson told Favre, really needed him. And on that spring day in 2006, Favre decided he'd return. If they can't convince him to stay retired, I believe they'd have a chance -- a chance -- to convince him to accept a trade, which I think would be best for all parties. Favre and Cook could list a slew of teams that would be agreeable to him, and the Packers could tell him, "We're not trading you to a team in the division.''

That seems fair. The Packers want to get on with their lives. What isn't fair to them is for Favre to be able to say he wants to pick up and go play for Minnesota or Chicago, both quarterback-needy teams.

But I don't expect that to happen. I'm told Thompson is not returning Cook's calls -- and what possible benefit would that have, other than Thompson fearing Cook would leak their conversations to favored friends in the media? -- and the Packers recently sent an intermediary to Mississippi to try to talk some sense into him. All that does is alienate Favre from the franchise further.

Final point: I keep hearing Favre was pushed into retirement by the Packers demanding an early decision this off-season, or by Thompson not showing him enough love. He might feel that way, but I think it's nonsense. Favre stood up in front of the world six weeks after he played his last game and said he was finished. If he's not, the Packers are not to blame. He is. He'll have to take the consequences for returning, either in Green Bay (where he shouldn't expect a hug from Rodgers) or elsewhere. But right now, I believe the heart is telling Favre to play, and what the heart wants, the heart usually gets.

iam brett favre
07-07-2008, 05:26 PM
I didnt even see there was a page 2 my bad.

socalpkrbkr
07-07-2008, 05:34 PM
Another story about a possible return. Why do they keep it going, I mean there's NO STORY. Yeah right, lolz. Come home Brett, I got your back.

gbpack415
07-07-2008, 05:59 PM
Honestly w/e Brett does, I support him. For everything that he has ever done for the team, the league, and the fans, I know I couldn't bash him. Hes my biggest role model and I have to support him. If he comes back he comes back and Rodgers will be slightly ticked lol. If he retires then we FINALLY move on. I guess we the fans just have to play the usual waiting game again.

Rtardz
07-07-2008, 06:06 PM
I`m still in the belief that the front office isn`t a 100 % sold on Rodgers. Maybe because if he can`t stay healthy? But if they totally believed he could get it done why would they draft such a high profile in Brohm even though he fell to us, but I think he will be starter material, then after that draft Flynn. They could have just got one QB and seriously offered a vet qb a contract better than culpepper.

newdude
07-07-2008, 06:12 PM
I dont see why its a nightmare, i want him back.

I know right? Its a dream come true if he comes back:cool:

iam brett favre
07-07-2008, 06:49 PM
I know right? Its a dream come true if he comes back:cool:

:nod:
REAL packer fans unite!

StickyGreenFan
07-07-2008, 07:16 PM
Favre SHOULD come back as a back up. Aaron rogers gets his start, favre still gets to play, packers sign him for a renegotiated salary, and if rogers gets hurt the best qb ever gets to come in dramatically and finish. but this will never happen cuz it seems either all or nuthin with favre. and didnt favre say this was all a rumor? his agent got cracked earlier this year tryin to tell teams brett wants to come back, but it was bull**** to try and make money off him. i dont know whats going on anymore.

Rtardz
07-07-2008, 08:05 PM
Favre SHOULD come back as a back up. Aaron rogers gets his start, favre still gets to play, packers sign him for a renegotiated salary, and if rogers gets hurt the best qb ever gets to come in dramatically and finish. but this will never happen cuz it seems either all or nuthin with favre. and didnt favre say this was all a rumor? his agent got cracked earlier this year tryin to tell teams brett wants to come back, but it was bull**** to try and make money off him. i dont know whats going on anymore.
:speechless: :crazy: :down: :faint: :badidea: :drunk: :jumpy: :puke: :moon:

sorry but for that you get em all

hughest4
07-07-2008, 10:21 PM
Favre SHOULD come back as a back up. Aaron rogers gets his start, favre still gets to play, packers sign him for a renegotiated salary, and if rogers gets hurt the best qb ever gets to come in dramatically and finish. but this will never happen cuz it seems either all or nuthin with favre. and didnt favre say this was all a rumor? his agent got cracked earlier this year tryin to tell teams brett wants to come back, but it was bull**** to try and make money off him. i dont know whats going on anymore.

Your right that this will never happen. If Favre comes back to the Packers then he will definitely be the starting QB. He still wants to play, not sit behind a kid who has never started a NFL game in his life. And i completely understand when you say that you don't know whats going on anymore...

iam brett favre
07-07-2008, 10:37 PM
If Favre had never retired you guys would be so happy he was coming back. You know you wanted him to. Now when he wants to, you dont want him to.. some of you guys are just ridiculos.

newdude
07-08-2008, 01:13 AM
Favre SHOULD come back as a back up. Aaron rogers gets his start, favre still gets to play, packers sign him for a renegotiated salary, and if rogers gets hurt the best qb ever gets to come in dramatically and finish. but this will never happen cuz it seems either all or nuthin with favre. and didnt favre say this was all a rumor? his agent got cracked earlier this year tryin to tell teams brett wants to come back, but it was bull**** to try and make money off him. i dont know whats going on anymore.

The man didn't start 253 consecutive games just to end it by coming back as a backup.

bosox3431
07-08-2008, 01:31 AM
if he does come back and they trade or release him, I will never root for Packer football until TT is no longer GM, even if it's 10 years. He is the greatest Packer and arguably one of the greatest NFL players ever. He's a legend, you dont cut or trade him, especially when your GB

Ryan Diesel
07-08-2008, 01:57 AM
Favre SHOULD come back as a back up. Aaron rogers gets his start, favre still gets to play, packers sign him for a renegotiated salary, and if rogers gets hurt the best qb ever gets to come in dramatically and finish. but this will never happen cuz it seems either all or nuthin with favre. and didnt favre say this was all a rumor? his agent got cracked earlier this year tryin to tell teams brett wants to come back, but it was bull**** to try and make money off him. i dont know whats going on anymore.

No where in your rambling incoherent response did you come close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. We are all dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.

StickyGreenFan
07-08-2008, 11:53 AM
just because you wanna deny the truth doesnt make my responses incoherent. dont fight it, brett favre is the man, he has nothing more to prove. if you bring him back then aaron rogers is definitly gone. hes waited 3 years to start and has a lotta potential talent, its time to put the new qb in place for the future. if u dont then rogers will leave, u gotta draft a new starting unproven qb, who if he busts sets your team back at least a couple more years.... as much as i like and respect favre, him coming back doesnt help. hes not mobile anymore and its past his prime..... accept it homie

Havoc Wreaker
07-08-2008, 01:19 PM
Whats the feeling around in GB? do people want him to go already or do people want him back? Im just wondering

TCamPacFan
07-08-2008, 01:46 PM
So here is the scenario no one has talked about. Favre returns and backs up Rodgers. I know it sounds crazy, but before you blast it, seriously think about it. You've committed to Aaron, and you tell Aaron it's his job to lose. Should he play poorly or get hurt, Favre comes back. Should he play great, Favre can mentor the younger Qb(s) and still be around the team. It's a win/win for the Packers. He accepts, great backup, he denies (like we all know he will) then the Packers gave him his chance to come back and play with the team. I love Favre as much as anyone, he's the only quarterback I've known since I was 12 years old. But I love the Packer's more then I love Favre and I want our team to be in the best position over the next five years, not just next year.

Okay, now you can tear me apart.

TCamPacFan
07-08-2008, 01:48 PM
okay... I feel dumb. i promise to read the posts, before i post. mistake i'll only make once.

continue tearing... :(

tbizzle1984
07-08-2008, 02:29 PM
If Thompson and McCarthy release or trade him, I will not be happy.

nor will the Packer nation.

Give him his job back if he wants it.

DO NOT release or trade him.

TCamPacFan
07-08-2008, 02:42 PM
Now that I've read the entire thread, and since I'm going to take it in the ... from my fellow fans anyway, I might as well put it out there add some fuel to the fire.

Most every post I see here is selfish. You want to see Brett back in GB because HE deserves the right to decide, because YOU want to see him play, because for this ONE year we have a good shot at a great record, etc. What about the overall future of our entire franchise? Does that matter to you guys? I loved watching Brett play, I wish to hell he hadn't retired, but he did. Let's start rebuilding and moving forward. If he wants to play so bad that he plays elsewhere (except MN), GREAT!!! It doesn't ruin his legacy, it doesn't throw our entire franchise into turmoil, and those of you who TRULY love him still get to watch him play. I truly love Brett, and no matter where he plays (save MN) I will be stoked to see him out there having fun. As a man he has to live with the consequences of his decisions, just like we all do. And he very emotionally and emphatically stated that he was done playing football, so our franchise made plans for the next season without him. There is nothing wrong with that. We have such a deep and talented team that I guarantee we will be great next year with Rodgers or Brohm or Flynn.

TCamPacFan
07-09-2008, 07:49 PM
I've got it!!!

Let Favre come back. Take him back with open arms. Let Brett and Aaron battle it out for the starting job. May the best man win! That is what you call football boys. If Favre is still the best man for the job he will win, and Aaron can't be upset. But if Aaron wins the job, then Brett will know he had his shot, and he can do as he chooses. And most importantly to me, and true Packer's fans, we would be the best team we could possibly be.

Nothing wrong with a little health competition right?

twelvePack
07-09-2008, 09:05 PM
I've got it!!!

Let Favre come back. Take him back with open arms. Let Brett and Aaron battle it out for the starting job. May the best man win! That is what you call football boys. If Favre is still the best man for the job he will win, and Aaron can't be upset. But if Aaron wins the job, then Brett will know he had his shot, and he can do as he chooses. And most importantly to me, and true Packer's fans, we would be the best team we could possibly be.

Nothing wrong with a little health competition right?

Wouldn't matter Favre is still the better QB. Rodgers might be good, but he still lacks experience. I really can't see the big deal if Rodgers sits one more year. He is 24 right now, and next season he will be 25. That is young for a quarterback. I mean a lot of guys get drafted at 22 or 23 years old. If Favre comes back, he should be the starter. This team made it to the NFC championship game last year with him at QB, and I honestly believe they have a shot at the Super Bowl this year with him. With Rodgers as the starter, I think we are looking at a 9-7 or 10-6 season.

TCamPacFan
07-10-2008, 08:02 PM
I really can't see the big deal if Rodgers sits one more year.

First of all great photo of Bob and Doug McKenzie, classic! The big deal is this. We've been grooming Aaron for 3 years under the wing of the best QB in the NFL. He's primed. If Favre comes back there is a 90% chance we lose Aaron, and you can't blame him. I think that is a big deal.

We have a great team right now, no better time to bring him in so if he does have a tough first year, we have talent the talent around him to carry us.

Another scenario, Favre comes back, Aaron leaves, we win the Superbowl, everyone on PSD tells me, We told you so, he retires, and then we are stuck with an unproven rookie qb to guide us... I want to win a Superbowl too, but at what cost?? I'm not claiming to be right or have all the answers, just food for thought!

Ryan Diesel
07-10-2008, 08:08 PM
Where would Rodgers go?? He's under contract until 09 unless someone gives us a 1st and a 3rd Rounder for him.

Richinillinois
07-10-2008, 09:24 PM
I think Favre wanted out of GB and this is probable what he'll get..The Pack drafted a Qb in the second round and this would probable not have happened if he hadn't retired...On another note what would he bring as far as draft picks on the open market? And what about Favre for Jason Taylor..And for the record I am a huge Favre fan and wish he would just stay retired so we can move on without any bitterness or what ifs..