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phlp_bj
07-07-2008, 10:28 AM
Attention baseball fans: The NL Central is the best division in the National League.

That's something you haven't heard in a long time.

Chicago, Milwaukee, and St. Louis have the three best records in the NL.

While the Cubs have the NL's best record, and are riding a road-series victory over the Cardinals, Milwaukee and St. Louis are right on their heels.

The Cubs and Brewers will meet 10 times during the second half, including seven games at Miller Park. Milwaukee has already taken four out of six games from Chicago; all of which were at Wrigley Field.

Chicago and St. Louis split their six first-half meetings and have nine more after the All-Star break. One of the best rivalries in baseball should provide a lot of excitement during in the second half.

Milwaukee and St. Louis have already met nine times this season with the Brewers holding a 5-4 series edge. These two teams will meet six more times this season, all in St. Louis.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/35470-nl-central-race-a-three-headed-monster

NORTH10
07-07-2008, 10:38 AM
i still dont think the cardinals are going to be more than 5 game above .500 at the end of the year....its gonna be between milwaukee and chicago, again.

cubswoo
07-07-2008, 11:07 AM
i still dont think the cardinals are going to be more than 5 game above .500 at the end of the year....its gonna be between milwaukee and chicago, again.

How do you figure that?
I hope you're right but the Cardinals have been hanging around for 3+ months with most of their pitching on the DL. Mulder is back and Wainwright will be back after the all star break with Carpenter after that.
They will make some moves at the trade deadline to get better as well.
The Cardinals will be a much scarier team the next time we face them in August.

WCF23
07-07-2008, 11:26 AM
The Cardinals are going to be there and to not think so is wishful thinking. Its almost the all-star break and they are right there with a bunch of guys no expected to be worth a bag of balls. Now they are getting their rotation back in order and they are going to get worst? Ha, we are not even close to being that lucky

BLB552000
07-07-2008, 11:31 AM
With the Brew crew getting CC, i think this puts them ahead of STL, and i still think we are the top team in the division despite the CC trade. STL will be in the running but i still think they finish 3rd.

curtAFDbass
07-07-2008, 11:54 AM
another thing to keep in mind is that the cards also have Clement coming back from an injury. i'm not saying that he's going to be the difference maker or anything in the division if he does come back, but from what we can remember is that he can be absolutely filthy and dominant at times, its still a big if though on whether or not he comes back healthy...

Jack_Bauer
07-07-2008, 01:00 PM
CC Sabathia's ERA vs Cubs 34.71 0-1, need I say more ?

Wrigleyboy25
07-07-2008, 01:01 PM
CC Sabathia's ERA vs Cubs 34.71 0-1, need I say more ?
1 start...

brewersfan729
07-07-2008, 01:10 PM
CC Sabathia's ERA vs Cubs 34.71 0-1, need I say more ?

Well if you want to play that game. Against the rest of the NL Central Sabathia is 6-0 with a 2.43 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 26 BB and 84 K's in 85.1 innings.

Wrigleyboy25
07-07-2008, 01:11 PM
Well if you want to play that game. Against the rest of the NL Central Sabathia is 6-0 with a 2.43 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 26 BB and 84 K's in 85.1 innings.
I'm sure he was being facetious. It was one start.

FriarFanatic
07-07-2008, 01:37 PM
i think this puts the brewers over the top. their offense is finally clicking and absolutely mashes the ball. then add sheets cc and parra(9-2) plus a veteran who's been there like suppan and they have a damn good shot at winning the division now

redbird89
07-07-2008, 10:04 PM
This should be an exciting race. The Brewers scare me more than the Cubs, since the Brewers are also threatening our Wild Card chances.

And I think we'll keep getting better. Our pitching the last series was the good the first 2 games, but we couldn't hit. Hopefully the offense will wake up again. Our pitching was the biggest question (in my mind) before the season and Dave Duncan has performed a miracle with our rotation. The bullpen's not as good this year. But with Ankiel (18) (45), Ludwick (17) (58), Glaus (13) (54), and Pujols (18) (48) with 66 combined homeruns and 205 RBIs halfway through the season I think we have a fair amount of power in the lineup, if it would only wake up.

There are some lesser known players making some contributions.

Adam Wainwright should come off the DL after the All-Star Break (hurt his middle finger, which seems appropriate considering the Cardinals injuries this year). He's 6-3 with a 3.14 ERA in 13 G (314 is St. Louis' Area Code. A good omen perhaps?)

Also on the DL:
Anthony Reyes went on the 15-day DL June 18 (I believe). Reyes is out of options, so if they don't keep him up this time, he'll have to pass through waivers. There's some speculation that he'll be traded, since he and Dave Duncan don't seem to agree on pitching philosophies. Duncan wants pitchers to be groundball pitchers, Reyes doesn't think he is a groundball pitcher. Reyes can be dominate (as seen in the '06 World Series), but you never really know. Anthony Reyes is 2-1 with a 4.91 ERA in 10 games in 2008. He's walked 3 and SO 10.
Chris Carpenter is on the 60-day DL. He hit a snag in his recovery recently, but the Cardinals are hopeful he'll be back after the All-Star Break. He threw a simulated game July 2, throwing 60 pitches.
Matt Clement, though not a major risk as far as salary ($1.25 mil), will be good to have back. He pitched a game for AA Springfield in June. The first 3 innings he didn't allow a hit. Then he allowed 3 runs in the 4th and 5th.
Randy Flores - on the DL with peroneal tendonitis in the left ankle, placed on the DL June 26.
Tyler Johnson had shoulder surgery in May. He'll be out all year.
Josh Kinney continues his recovery as well. He was out last year as well after having ulnar collateral ligament reconstructive surgery of his right elbow.

The Cardinals have maybe slowed down a bit, but if they get these pitchers off the DL, it'll certainly help. They may faulter, but I see no reason to think they're going anywhere soon.

Ryan Franklin, who closed some games in Isringhausen's absence, has a 3.20 ERA in 41 Games.
Jason Isringhausen, who was on the DL Earlier this year and is wearing a knee brace, has a 5.34 ERA in 30 appearances this year. In his last 10 appearances, pitching 12 2/3 innings, he allowed 5 ER (3 in one start, 1 in another, and 1 in another appearance).
Kyle Lohse, who turned down a 5 year/$50 million contract from the Phillies and signed with STL for $4 million and change, is 10-2 with a 3.61 ERA in 19 games. Last Saturday's game he gave up 2 runs in 7 innings, getting a no decision in the Cards comeback win.
Braden Looper, Dave Duncan's 2007 experiment, is 9-6 with a 4.15 ERA in 18 games. This year he's pitched 106.1 innings. Last Friday's start against the Cubs he gave up 2 runs in 7 innings but got the loss. Last 10 games he is 4-4 with a 4.10 ERA.
Rookie Kyle McClellan seems to be having a blast playing for his hometown team (he's from the St. Louis area). He's 1-3 with a 2.66 ERA in 41 Games and 47.1 IP. His last 10 appearances (13.1 IP) he's allowed 5 runs.
Mark Mulder is in the bullpen. He couldn't get his arm up so he changed the way he throws a bit. He'll start Wednesday at Philadelphia. He had 2 bullpen outings this year. June 30th he retired 2 without allowing a run in the 9th. His next relief appearance (July 2) he allowed 2 runs in 1/3 of an inning (the reason his ERA is 13.50).
Rookie Chris Perez is 2-0 with a 3.80 ERA in 20 games. His last 10 games he's pitcher 12.2 innings, allowing 7 runs, 8 BB and 14 SO.
Joel Pineiro, extended by the Cardinals this offseason, is 2-4 with a 4.52 ERA in 13 starts (he was on the 15-day DL earlier this year with a right groin strain).
Russ Springer is 1-0 with a 2.30 ERA in 35 games. Last 10 games he's pitched 8.0 innings, allowed 1 ER, BB 1 and SO 4.
Brad Thompson is 1-2 with a 4.23 ERA in 10 games, pitching 27.2 innings. He's given up 13 runs, with 10 BB and 15 SO.
Ron Villone is 1-2 with a 5.23 ERA in 35 games. Last 10 games, he's given up 9 runs, 6 in one appearance. Other than his bad 1 2/3 innings June 13 vs the Phillies, his last 9 appearances he's given up 3 runs, BB 6 and SO 8. His July 3 appearance vs. the Mets he pitched 2 innings, SO 3, BB 0 and gave up 0 runs.
Todd Wellemeyer, who was dumped last year by the Royals, is 7-4 with 3.94 ERA in 17 games.

Jason LaRue is hitting .231 in 31 Games and 91 AB. He has 3 HRs and 11 RBI, 11 BB and 10 SO. He's been a pretty good backup for Yadier Molina.
Yadier Molina is hitting .307 with 4 HR in 254 AB in 73 games. He's walked 23 times and SO 12 times. He has 27 RBI. He hits .390 vs. lefties and .271 vs. righties. .315 at home and .299 on the road. He is not an easy out.

Troy Glaus is hitting .259 in 88 games and 309 AB. He has 13 HR, 54 RBI, 47 BB, 57 SO. Since having 4 RBIs July 2 he has none since. He had no hits vs. the Cubs and in 12 AB struck out 6 times.
Cesar Izturis just returned from the DL. He's hitting .236 in 68 games and 199 AB. He's scored 21 runs, with 1 HR and 12 RBI. 17 BB and 10 SO, as well as 6 SB.
Adam Kennedy is hitting .282 with 1 HR, 21 RBI in 63 games and 206 AB. He has 15 BB and 28 SO with 5 SB.
Aaron Miles is hitting .314 in 210 AB in 68 games with 13 BB and 18 SO. 1 HR and 13 RBI.
Albert Pujols is... Albert Pujols. After suffering a calf strain that looked very bad, he returned from the DL as soon as he could, 15 days after the injury. Albert's hitting .350 in 76 games and 263 AB. He has 18 HR and 48 RBI. 58 BB and 28 SO. His OPS 1.095. He got his 300th HR last series against the Cubs.
Brendan Ryan is hitting .255 in 52 games and 149 AB. 9 BB and 24 SO, 0 HR, 7 doubles, and 7 RBI.

Rick Ankiel is hitting .265 in 77 games and 287 AB. 18 HR, 45 RBI, 31 BB, 65 SO. Last 10 games he has 10 RBI, including 3 RBI in a walkoff win vs. the Cubs (2 in the 9th, HR earlier in the game).
Brian Barton, a Cards Rule 5 Draft pick, is on the 15-day DL. He's hitting .246 in 63 games and 122 AB. 2 HR, 11 RBI, 15 BB, 33 SO
Chris Duncan, who was sent down for a few games this year and missed time last year with a double hernia. He's hitting .239 in 68 games with 197 AB. 6 HR, 24 RBI, 31 BB, 45 SO. 7 RBI in his last 10 games.
Ryan Ludwick, an All-Star, is hitting .290 in 81 games and 272 AB. 17 HR, 58 RBI, 32 BB, 67 SO
Joe Mather, recently called up for the 2nd time this year, is hitting .231 in 14 games and 39 AB. 1 HR, 3 RBI, 6 BB, 10 SO, 5 runs scored.
Skip Schumaker is hitting .297 in 84 Games and 296 AB, 6 HR, 31 RBI, 28 BB, 35 SO

The Cardinals have hit a bit of a rough patch lately, but I don't expect them to lay down and give up. They will keep fighting, and hopefully, they'll get into the playoffs. They've certainly played well enough to.

redwhitenblue
07-07-2008, 10:11 PM
Who else didn't read all that^^?
Well if you want to play that game. Against the rest of the NL Central Sabathia is 6-0 with a 2.43 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 26 BB and 84 K's in 85.1 innings.
Yeah, he dominates Pits and Cincy, hasn't faced Hou, CHC and STL have gotten to him in 3 total games

toovey107
07-07-2008, 10:22 PM
haha i bet someone will
just not me lol

homestarunner93
07-07-2008, 10:22 PM
Maybe a three headed monster, but one of those heads is much bigger than the other two! :D

Tkais9009
07-07-2008, 11:10 PM
the brewers "big two" are going to be injury prone down the stretch. Sheets is sheets and CC will now have to lug his huge *** into the batters box several times a week and that will wear down that fatso pretty quick

JayhawkWild
07-08-2008, 12:06 AM
the brewers "big two" are going to be injury prone down the stretch. Sheets is sheets and CC will now have to lug his huge *** into the batters box several times a week and that will wear down that fatso pretty quick

Why would they be more injury prone down the stretch than they already were?

I still say Cubs win the division by a decent margin. I think the Cards will finish in second, considering we have an entire starting rotation on the DL and arguably are a big bat away from a very potent offense.

Dirty Dirk41
07-08-2008, 12:16 AM
Brew crew is the best team is NL....NL is garabge and with sheets, cc, and parra they can tear it up

JayhawkWild
07-08-2008, 10:37 AM
Brew crew is the best team is NL....NL is garabge and with sheets, cc, and parra they can tear it up

I'll take Webb & Haren over CC and Sheets. Best team in the NL? You're saying this as the Cubs are just coming down to earth after blowing apart everyone they saw for a month and a half.

This isnt the best year to say the NL is garbage either. In over MLB stats, The NL has:

4 Highest BA's (Jones, Berkman, Pujols, Holliday)

9 of the top 10 home run leaders, including the top 7 (Utley, Howard, Uggla, Berkman, Burrell, Dunn, A. Gonzalez, Braun, H. Ramirez), and 15 out of the top 20.

7 of the top 10 RBI leaders (Howard, Berkman, A. Gonzalez, C. Lee, Wright, Utley, Teixeira), and 15 out of the top 20.

7 of the top 10 OPS leaders (Jones, Berkman, Pujols, Holliday , Uggla, Burrell, Utley)

11 of the top 20 ERA leaders

Garbage?

FriarFanatic
07-08-2008, 12:55 PM
this should be a great race to watch down the stretch but i think the bre crew pull out the division

Acronym
07-08-2008, 02:58 PM
It's going to be an absolute blast for the next couple months. The Cubs play 25% of their remaining games against either MIL or STL, and the final series of the season is vs MIL at MIL.

12 of the final 20 games of the season are versus those two teams, as well. That's enough to dismantle even the largest of leads.

The Cards and Brewers see eachother about 10 more times, too.

Fasten your seatbelts, folks.