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Swish-Cab-Ob
07-03-2008, 01:54 PM
Well who is it? Call me a homer, but I believe its Carlos Quentin. People may argue that it is Josh Hamilton but look...

Stats as of July 2nd, 2008

Josh Hamilton- Games (83), At-Bats (334), Runs (53), Hits (103), Doubles (19), Triples (3), HR (19), RBI (82), Total Bases (185), Walks (32), K's (59), SB (4), OBP (.364), SLG (.554), AVG (.308), Rangers 44-42 3rd

Carlos Quentin- Games (81), At-Bats (293), Runs (54), Hits (82), Doubles (13), Triples (1), HR (19), RBI (61), Total Bases (154), Walks (41), K's (48), SB (5), OBP (.385), SLG (.526), AVG (.280), White Sox 49-35 1st

Now Hamilton does have most of the stats, but alot are close, and without Quentin carrying the Sox for most of the year, they wouldn't be in 1st. So who is most valuable to the success of their team so far this year?

mawp
07-03-2008, 01:57 PM
Hamilton is the clear choice.

mawp
07-03-2008, 02:00 PM
And J.D. Drew should be in consideration as well IMO.

Joba Rules!!
07-03-2008, 02:03 PM
Josh

I can't believe Quentin was even included in this.

Swish-Cab-Ob
07-03-2008, 02:04 PM
Hamilton is the clear choice.

Why? What has his team accomplished, would the Rangers be much better without Hamilton? His stats are great, don't get me wrong, but the MVP is how valuable you are to your teams success.

MrBloop
07-03-2008, 02:06 PM
The first half isn't over yet.

Swish-Cab-Ob
07-03-2008, 02:08 PM
The first half isn't over yet.

Ummmmm, yeah it is....

Swish-Cab-Ob
07-03-2008, 02:09 PM
There are 162 games in a season, for example the Rays have played 84, which is about 52% (More than 50% isn't it?).

mawp
07-03-2008, 02:10 PM
Why? What has his team accomplished, would the Rangers be much better without Hamilton? His stats are great, don't get me wrong, but the MVP is how valuable you are to your teams success.

The MVP award is flawed. It's not a "best player on a contending team" award. Andre Dawson won it in 1987 on a last place team.

It's the guy who's done most for his team. Hamilton shouldn't be punished because Texas has no SP. Take Hamilton out of Texas and they're probably pushing for leagues ****tiest record.

Swish-Cab-Ob
07-03-2008, 02:12 PM
The MVP award is flawed. It's not a "best player on a contending team" award. Andre Dawson won it in 1987 on a last place team.

It's the guy who's done most for his team. Hamilton shouldn't be punished because Texas has no SP. Take Hamilton out of Texas and they're probably pushing for leagues ****tiest record.

Thats true, but it's just my opinon that it should go to a winning team, I guess me and Albert Pujols agree...

The Schmooze
07-03-2008, 02:12 PM
as long as the Rangers continue to contend I gotta go with Hamilton

mawp
07-03-2008, 02:14 PM
Thats true, but it's just my opinon that it should go to a winning team, I guess me and Albert Pujols agree...

What exactly do postseason awards mean though? For players they probably have a clause that sports them a nice 250K bonus, but other than that, who really cares?

Also, Texas is a winning team as of now. 44-42 is over .500 :cool:

quiksilver2491
07-03-2008, 02:20 PM
Well I thought the Rangers would be in the bottom 3 in the league, and they have an above .500 record so the most valuable has to be Josh Hamilton, altough if the Rays keep it up, Longoria will deffinitely get some votes.

MrBloop
07-03-2008, 02:21 PM
Josh

I can't believe Quentin was even included in this.

Srry but that Re-Draft is terrible...again sorry.

sportwiz628
07-03-2008, 02:24 PM
Josh won just about in every important category next to Quetin so its no doubt Hamilton.

Joba Rules!!
07-03-2008, 02:28 PM
Srry but that Re-Draft is terrible...again sorry.

That's hilarious. I love ignorance.

McJoe
07-03-2008, 02:34 PM
id actually almost take Quentin as the MVP...hes been very good and a main reason why the Chi Sox arent at hte bottom of the league

everyone says that the rangers were supposed to be like last and are competing so it has to be josh

but if i told you that Konerko, Swisher, Cabrera, Buerhle, Vazquez were all having weak seasons at best and the white sox were leading youd either slap me in the face or go try to find the memorial for the Indians, Tigers, Twins, and Royals teams who were all killed in a horrifying explosion leaving 1 team in hte division.

but on the other hand...Dyes numbers are just as good if not better than Quentin's right now, Crede is having a great year and they somehow have the number 1 pitching staff in baseball behind Danks and Floyd so its not Quentin

its Josh by a long shot and Quentin tho in the conversation isnt in consideration

ShinobiNYC
07-03-2008, 02:38 PM
1- Josh Hamilton
2- Carlos Quentin
3- Fransisco Rodriguez

Fury
07-03-2008, 02:42 PM
Why? What has his team accomplished, would the Rangers be much better without Hamilton? His stats are great, don't get me wrong, but the MVP is how valuable you are to your teams success.

ur looking at it the wrong way..one player cant make a team a winner it takes a group...but its bullshyt to say u cant be an mvp unless ur team is nice..u cant control what ur teamates do on teh field so why shud u mis out on awards cuz ur teamates suck..if ur performing at that mvp level u shud be in consideration..and in baseball one player doesnt make the difference...thas like sayin Arod shudnt have won the MVP's in texas cuz they sucked...no he shudve cuz he put up mvp numbers and thas what josh hamilton is doing

Epic89
07-03-2008, 03:29 PM
Hamilton, far and away

PapelbonLester
07-03-2008, 03:41 PM
Hamilton, Quentin, Drew.

quade36
07-03-2008, 03:51 PM
K-Rod.

34 saves, on pace to kill Thigpen's record. He is the reason the Angels are so good both at home and especially on the road. He shuts teams down.

He would be my AL MVP so far this year.

bartlett2266
07-03-2008, 03:55 PM
Giambi's mustache

cwilson21
07-03-2008, 04:05 PM
Hamilton or Quentin.

vladdy#27
07-03-2008, 04:09 PM
Josh Hamilton

YankeeFan28
07-03-2008, 04:11 PM
Ian Kinsler.

Phann
07-03-2008, 04:17 PM
Gotta go with Hamilton. He has changed his life around for the better.

cubs92
07-03-2008, 04:36 PM
hamilton. he leads the majors in rbi's by a lot and is tied for the AL lead in homers. hes also hitting over 300 and hes been very important to the success of the rangers. they havent even been respectable until this year

iam brett favre
07-03-2008, 04:40 PM
Quentin isn't even the MVP of his team, Dye is..

DirtyThirty
07-03-2008, 04:42 PM
Quentin???? Is that a joke? Clearly hamilton is going to be the AL MVP but you have to incorporate Manny into the mix due to his breakout year.

iam brett favre
07-03-2008, 04:50 PM
Manny... Ramirez? How is it a breakout year??

ManRam
07-03-2008, 05:18 PM
If there is anything we've learned from past years, team success doesn't mean nearly as much as it does in other sports.

Hamilton wins for that reason. His numbers are the best, and he's a great story. A-Rod won it on a last place team a while ago. Being on a third place team wont hurt him that much.

Quentin has cooled off a bit too...plus, Dye is arguably having the better season now.

YankeeFan28
07-03-2008, 05:39 PM
As of right now, Texas has 3 legit MVP contenders in Kinsler, Hamilton and Bradley. but because Hamilton leads in the RBI department, MVP voters and the average fan will vote for him or give him the nod. Even though Kinsler and Bradley have been just as valuable if not more then Hamilton.

thedfactor
07-03-2008, 05:39 PM
Ian Kinsler

ShinobiNYC
07-03-2008, 05:44 PM
Quentin???? Is that a joke? Clearly hamilton is going to be the AL MVP but you have to incorporate Manny into the mix due to his breakout year.

ROFL. His BA and OBP right now are a career LOW since 1994. he is on pace to have a similar season to last year which was pretty disappointing to his high standards. He is starting to show his age I'm afraid, happens with everyone.

quade36
07-03-2008, 05:49 PM
Quentin???? Is that a joke? Clearly hamilton is going to be the AL MVP but you have to incorporate Manny into the mix due to his breakout year.

Manny????

Sure....

iam brett favre
07-03-2008, 06:03 PM
I'm still baffled at the fact someone said Manny is having a "breakout year"
His other 400 some HR's were nothing I guess

rriders9
07-03-2008, 06:23 PM
it's Hamilton for sure, but if your using the team success argument then I think JD Drew would be ahead of Quentin. Manny is having an average year and Ortiz went down. Right when that happened Drew picked it up and he has carried his team for the most part. Quentin is a big part of the white sox success but he has Dye on his team

iam brett favre
07-03-2008, 06:40 PM
Like I said before.. Dye is the White Sox MVP, not quentin.

DieHardColtsfan
07-03-2008, 08:29 PM
Josh Hamilton clearly!! my homer pick is Jason Giambi. Without him we are completely toast..

sanfranfan1210
07-03-2008, 08:34 PM
Hailton

I smell my bat
07-03-2008, 09:52 PM
Hamilton then Sizemore or Morneau.

vince wilfort
07-03-2008, 10:28 PM
Milton Bradley. He leads the AL in OBP and SLG.

chicagowhitesox
07-03-2008, 10:53 PM
Hamilton without any question. And I'm even a ChiSox fan.

jmtapia
07-04-2008, 02:21 AM
Hamilton no doubt...hes having a monster year while carrying a team to places where it had no business being.

iam brett favre
07-04-2008, 02:27 AM
Hailton

:shrug:
Hailton?



:p

jmtapia
07-04-2008, 02:32 AM
Like I said before.. Dye is the White Sox MVP, not quentin.

Totally wrong. Quentin is their MVP no doubt about that. Dye has been a choke in pressure clutch situations while Quentin has prevailed in those cases.

SPLITS 2008

Quentin
RISP .368 BA 1.130 OPS
RISP 2 Outs .348 BA 1.065 OPS

Dye
RISP .300 BA .780 OPS
RISP 2 Outs .222 BA .513 OPS

You tell me who you want to come up to the plate with 2 out, tying run on 2nd in the bottom of the 9th.....

iam brett favre
07-04-2008, 02:37 AM
dye

jmtapia
07-04-2008, 02:44 AM
dye

:crazy:

iam brett favre
07-04-2008, 02:45 AM
:shrug: you got me.

Havoc Wreaker
07-04-2008, 03:07 AM
dye

Agreed 100%

torontocubs
07-04-2008, 09:37 AM
Hamilton by far. The guy has yet to slow down. Don't forget at one point Quentin was hitting up over 300 and then he started to really slump for a stretch. As for the Kinsler, Bradley talks. Ian Kinsler is having an unreal year, in Yahoo fantasy rankings he is second in the League. But Kinsler's success has much to do with Hamilton's presence in the Lineup. So does Bradley's. It's like Ryan Ludwick with St. Louis. When you have a guy like Pujols or Hamilton in the Lineup, guys around him see better pitches. I am not trying to say that Kinsler isn't filthy, because he is.

Another few names to keep your eyes open to - One guy mentioned earlier, Longoria. That kid can flat out rake, he is on FIRE. He could pull an Ichiro and notch ROY and MVP, but unlike Ichiro, he has never played pro baseball before. He is sick. And his team is in first.

K-Rod is pitching unreal in terms of saves. Tough to give the nod to a guy that plays an inning not every game, although close lol. Just tough to say that he is the most valuable player in the league. Cy young could very easily be his though.

And please don't forget Alex. A-rod although injured, is still the best baseball player on the planet, and if they get hot, which is pretty much happening, the Yanks could be back in the heat of it, so just don't rule him out come September, but certainly not in contention at the Half-Way point.

One final note, MANNY BREAKOUT, dude check your facts, The dates July 4th, Not May 4th.

FriarFanatic
07-04-2008, 01:24 PM
Hamilton for sure he's beena nut so far this year. What a great story

JHG722
07-04-2008, 01:27 PM
Hamilton/Kinsler as co MVPs

quade36
07-05-2008, 11:41 AM
BTW Hamilton has cooled off a ton as well. His average slightly above .300 now. He was hitting .340 the first two months of the season.

Still think its K-Rod. For people who don't think the bullpen isn't probably the key element in teams winning take this into consideration well just look at the last 20 years and see that the teams that win have strong bullpens. These are major league players, the 25th guy on the bench can hit. It is so important to stop teams from scoring, especially in an era of baseball where everyone can hit a HR. A good bullpen is seriously one of the most important parts of winning. Look at the Twins the last 10 years. They didn't have hitters that put up ridiculous numbers. Besides Santana, they didn't have starting pitchers either. However, they have consistantly had the best or one of the best bullpens in baseball. If its a close game and their bullpen comes in, they usually win. So the fact that Francisco has dominated so much at his position and that the Angels have such a good record this year without their star hitting doing anything at all this year.... that means they are winning the majority of their games by a slim margin.

Just look at the Angels batting. No one has over a .300 BA (Well Kendrick has but hasn't played a full season.) Guerrero leads the team with 13 HRs and 44 RBIs. they are 22nd in team BA, 23rd in runs scored and RBIs, 28th in OBP. This is not a good hitting team. Yet they have the second best record in baseball, 8.5 ahead of Texas and Josh Hamilton in a lineup that is 3rd in BA, 1st in runs scored and RBIs, and 4th in OBP.

Rodriguez is also on pace to not just break the ALL TIME saves record, but destroy it. If thats not an MVP, well we might as well have an 1987 Andre Dawson or 2003 Alex Rodriguez again, forget about pitching and just focus on HRs and RBIs to determine who is the league's Best Hitter.

Ragun
07-05-2008, 12:49 PM
Josh Hamilton

Gordy
07-05-2008, 01:51 PM
Chipper Jones of the Atlanta Braves has been amazing so far........

Stats up to July 5th:

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
75 269 51 105 14 0 17 48 170 49 34 2 0 .483 .632 .390

or..........


Dustin Pedroia of the Boston Red Sox started off hot but then cooled off for a month but this past month he has been tareing up in the American League....

Stats up to July 5th:

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG
87 360 60 112 25 1 9 39 166 22 32 9 0 .355 .461 .311

Not to mention his amazing defence......:clap:

Joba Rules!!
07-05-2008, 02:01 PM
Don't tell me you think DP should be the MVP....

ThisIsTheYear
07-05-2008, 02:16 PM
Don't tell me you think DP should be the MVP....

He is talking about Chipper Jones for AL MVP, so you cant take whatever he says seriously...

yanks19791024
07-05-2008, 02:17 PM
my vote is for k-rod got more saves then the m's have wins and is on pace to break save record for a season

Joba Rules!!
07-05-2008, 02:25 PM
my vote is for k-rod got more saves then the m's have wins and is on pace to break save record for a season

Saves aren't a very good way to judge a pitcher at all. Look at his other numbers. While his 1.93 ERA and 1.1 WHIP are good, he isn't even best among AL closers.

L-MiLLZ44
07-05-2008, 03:06 PM
i'm going with quinton, for the fact that every1 else in the white sox lineup is so inconsistent, jermaine dye has been good but if carlos wasn't on their team we wouldn't even be talking about the white sox making a run into the playoffs

serGeant
07-05-2008, 04:02 PM
Hamilton. The Rangers would be nowhere without him AND he has the best numbers

1-800-STFU
07-05-2008, 04:07 PM
Everyone in the White Sox bullpen.

I smell my bat
07-05-2008, 05:24 PM
Everyone in the White Sox bullpen.

lol, you my friend are F'n idiot the White Sox won't even make the playoffs.

1-800-STFU
07-05-2008, 05:51 PM
lol, you my friend are F'n idiot the White Sox won't even make the playoffs.

I would love for you to point out where in my post I say the White Sox will make the playoffs.

Please do it.

I smell my bat
07-05-2008, 06:01 PM
I would love for you to point out where in my post I say the White Sox will make the playoffs.

Please do it.
The MVP usually goes to someone on a playoff team. I didn't say you said anything about them making the playoffs and they won't. Linebrink eats ****.

1-800-STFU
07-05-2008, 06:06 PM
The MVP usually goes to someone on a playoff team. I didn't say you said anything about them making the playoffs and they won't. Linebrink eats sh_t.

Well....if you say so.

The ill be sure to watch out for the Twins and their 15th ranked pitching staff.

Linebrink can eat all the **** he wants he still has a sub 2 ERA and a .800 WHIP so I could give a **** less what he eats.

Joba Rules!!
07-05-2008, 06:10 PM
Well....if you say so.

The ill be sure to watch out for the Twins and their 15th ranked pitching staff.

Linebrink can eat all the **** he wants he still has a sub 2 ERA and a .800 WHIP so I could give a **** less what he eats.

At least he doesn't smell his bat.

Tragedy
07-05-2008, 06:14 PM
Saves aren't a very good way to judge a pitcher at all. Look at his other numbers. While his 1.93 ERA and 1.1 WHIP are good, he isn't even best among AL closers.
The bold part is true; Anyone see Borowski's numbers in 2007? :speechless:

lol, you my friend are F'n idiot the White Sox won't even make the playoffs.
No need to insult other members. And anyways; The White Sox are a very solid team, so.

I smell my bat
07-05-2008, 06:30 PM
Well....if you say so.

The ill be sure to watch out for the Twins and their 15th ranked pitching staff.

Linebrink can eat all the **** he wants he still has a sub 2 ERA and a .800 WHIP so I could give a **** less what he eats.

I would be watching if I were you, they wont be 15th for long the way they have been playing. Still a whole half of the year to go.

-Lavigne43-
07-05-2008, 08:17 PM
haha Dustin Pedroia

nrvana
07-05-2008, 10:57 PM
Kinsler went into Wednesday night’s game leading the American League with a .324 average, the third Rangers’ player to sit atop the league in hitting since the beginning of June.

Hamilton and Bradley preceded Kinsler in that spot. Kinsler also leads the league with 113 hits, 44 extra-base hits, 73 runs scored and 187 total bases. He’s tied for third in the league with 23 stolen bases.

- By Jim Reeves

he now has 14 hr's, 77 runs scored, and 53 rbi's after tonight. hamilton has been great, but i'd go with kinsler for mvp of the rangers.

Havoc Wreaker
07-06-2008, 03:23 AM
Kinsler went into Wednesday night’s game leading the American League with a .324 average, the third Rangers’ player to sit atop the league in hitting since the beginning of June.

Hamilton and Bradley preceded Kinsler in that spot. Kinsler also leads the league with 113 hits, 44 extra-base hits, 73 runs scored and 187 total bases. He’s tied for third in the league with 23 stolen bases.

- By Jim Reeves

he now has 14 hr's, 77 runs scored, and 53 rbi's after tonight. hamilton has been great, but i'd go with kinsler for mvp of the rangers.

All these stats tells us is Rangers Pitching Sucks! LoL

My pick for MVP up until now is Hamilton, but A-Rod is back and i believe he will be the one getting the trophy at seasons end

Cy Young: Halladay, Dude is Ownage :clap: