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FriarFanatic
07-02-2008, 01:28 AM
who are the top 15 SS prospects in all of baseball?

I am curious because my padres need to get a new one and unload greene

nme
07-02-2008, 01:30 AM
I'm sure the Dodgers would love to arrange a Chin Lung Hu for Greene deal, although I'm sure it would cost Kevin Towers his job.

Joba Rules!!
07-02-2008, 02:18 AM
Moustakas-Andrus-Brignac-Hu-Wood-Gomez are the elite ones.

brewersfan729
07-02-2008, 02:18 AM
Moustakas-Andrus-Brignac-Hu-Wood-Gomez are the elite ones.

Escobar as well.

Joba Rules!!
07-02-2008, 02:28 AM
Escobar as well.

I don't consider him elite.

Jilly Bohnson
07-02-2008, 02:28 AM
According to Baseball America's top 100 list coming into this season it's

Brandon Wood, Mike Moustakas(unlikely to stick at 3b), Elvis Andrus, Reid Brignac, Chin-Lung Hu, Jed Lowrie, and Hector Gomez

In that order. That's from me eyeballing the list, sorry if I missed one by mistake.

Humongo
07-02-2008, 02:53 AM
Carlos Triunfel?

brewersfan729
07-02-2008, 03:19 AM
I don't consider him elite.

What exactly about a .330/.359/.448/.807 line with 22 SB's and only 5 CS's along with great defense out of a SS isn't elite? Especially for a 21 year old in AA?

And you have Brignac in there on top of that? He put up a .260/.328/.433/.761 line at the same age in the same league.

viktor06
07-02-2008, 03:33 AM
What exactly about a .330/.359/.448/.807 line with 22 SB's and only 5 CS's along with great defense out of a SS isn't elite? Especially for a 21 year old in AA?

And you have Brignac in there on top of that? He put up a .260/.328/.433/.761 line at the same age in the same league.

Upside, projection? Not much people care how prospects look now, they care about future

METS4LIFE1988
07-02-2008, 03:33 AM
Wilmer Flores!

Humongo
07-02-2008, 03:36 AM
Yeah, Brignac is nowhere near elite dude. His stock has fallen heavily in the last few years. He hasn't turned out to be the super prospect he was originally billed as.

I'm wondering why Triunfel hasn't gotten any love though. He hit .296 (+ or - a few points, I forgot) last season as a 17 year old in class A. He's drawn comparisons to a faster Miguel Cabrera (Ken Rosenthal), and if he's rushed and his power doesn't develop, I've seen comparisons to Raphael Furcal.

brewersfan729
07-02-2008, 03:50 AM
Upside, projection? Not much people care how prospects look now, they care about future

I already pointed that out. He's young for the league he's in and he's producing. He was a scrawny kid and now he's filling out and developing power while remaining a top notch defensive player.

Joba Rules!!
07-02-2008, 12:40 PM
What exactly about a .330/.359/.448/.807 line with 22 SB's and only 5 CS's along with great defense out of a SS isn't elite? Especially for a 21 year old in AA?

And you have Brignac in there on top of that? He put up a .260/.328/.433/.761 line at the same age in the same league.

Who the **** cares about stats in the minors? Brignac is WAY more talented than Escobar and it isn't even close.

FriarFanatic
07-02-2008, 01:20 PM
what team is brignac on? wonder what it'd take to get lowrie?

FriarFanatic
07-02-2008, 01:20 PM
oh and brandon wood is playing 3rd base now so he shouldnt be mentioned

hgtiger32
07-02-2008, 02:18 PM
escobar isn't elite...ill ask you in 2010 what you think of escobar

FriarFanatic
07-02-2008, 03:59 PM
is escobar in the brewers system?

brewersfan729
07-02-2008, 05:09 PM
Who the **** cares about stats in the minors? Brignac is WAY more talented than Escobar and it isn't even close.

Why? Because you say so?

Here you go.

#42 on milb.com's top 50 prospects list. Brignac is #32.


Yet another infield prospect is making his way up the Brewers ladder. Escobar has excellent speed and is a tremendous defensive shortstop with a strong plus arm and superb range. His bat has begun to catch up to his glove as he develops into a pretty good contact hitter who uses his speed to his advantage. He has the ability to steal bases, but still needs to learn the nuances of that craft.
Sometimes repeating a level isn't a bad thing. That's what Escobar did in the Florida State League in 2007 a year after a broken finger bothered him for most of 2006. Healthy again, Escobar handled himself well after being promoted to Double-A and helping Huntsville reach the Southern League championship series. Even if he starts the season back at Double-A, he's just 21, so he's way ahead of the curve.


Brignac raised his prospect status considerably when he was the California League Player of the Year in 2006. He also played well in Double-A Montgomery at the end of that season. He spent all of 2007 in the Southern League and while the overall numbers weren't as good as in the previous year, there's still a lot to like about the young shortstop. Though his batting average suffered -- largely because of a two-month slump -- he still had 52 extra-base hits and stole 15 bases. Perhaps more impressively, his defense improved greatly, and questions about his ability to remain a shortstop have subsided. Winning two titles in as many years with Montgomery certainly doesn't hurt, either.
Brignac did not play well in the Arizona Fall League, with fatigue perhaps taking a toll. He's a tireless worker and will no doubt use what he learned in the AFL to his advantage in 2008 and beyond. The Rays lack an entrenched shortstop in the big leagues, so don't be surprised to see Brignac sooner rather than later.

Sound similar to me.

Joba Rules!!
07-02-2008, 05:38 PM
Why? Because you say so?

Here you go.

#42 on milb.com's top 50 prospects list. Brignac is #32.





Sound similar to me.

You just tried to make a case that Escobar was better than Brignac but now you're presenting evidence that suggests otherwise.....make up your mind then we'll talk.

brewersfan729
07-02-2008, 05:55 PM
You just tried to make a case that Escobar was better than Brignac but now you're presenting evidence that suggests otherwise.....make up your mind then we'll talk.

I never said Escobar was better. I said if you're going to put Brignac in the elite category, you have to put a similar prospect in Escobar in that same category.