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R. Johnson#3
07-01-2008, 04:58 PM
We're officially just over half way into the season so lets speculate.

AL:
Cliff Lee - I guess he's the real deal....finally.
Roy Halladay - The 6 losses may hurt but he has the sub 3 ERA and 6 complete games.
Joe Saunders - Great ERA to go with 11 wins which will help.
Justin Duchscherer - Who? He has a 1.91 ERA but only has 13 starts so far. Still deserves recognition

NL:
Edinson Volquez - Got beaten up by the Jays :D but is still doing great with 10 wins and 2.08ERA.
Brandon Webb - The 12 wins really helps. The ERA is good too.
Tim Lincecum
Ben Sheets

Joba Rules!!
07-01-2008, 05:23 PM
Rich Harden anyone?

ShinobiNYC
07-01-2008, 05:32 PM
According to ESPN here is the list:

2008 Cy Young Predictor - American League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Cliff Lee, Cle 104.5 15 15 103.2 27 90 0 1 11-1 2.34 2
2 Francisco Rodriguez, LAA 96.5 38 0 35.1 8 33 32 0 0-1 2.04 4
3 Jonathan Papelbon, Bos 92.7 36 0 36.0 8 47 24 0 3-2 2.00 3
4 Joe Saunders, LAA 89.6 16 16 106.0 36 53 0 0 11-4 3.06 4
5 Mariano Rivera, NYY 85.9 34 0 36.1 3 42 22 0 2-2 0.74 2
6 Roy Halladay, Tor 83.9 18 17 130.1 42 106 0 1 9-6 2.90 2
7 Ervin Santana, LAA 81.5 16 16 108.1 40 99 0 1 9-3 3.32 4
8 George Sherrill, Bal 81.2 39 0 36.2 15 37 26 0 2-3 3.68 2
9 Justin Duchscherer, Oak 75.9 13 13 85.0 18 55 0 0 8-5 1.91 4
10 Joe Nathan, Min 74.2 34 0 33.2 5 37 22 0 0-0 1.34 3

2008 Cy Young Predictor - National League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Brandon Webb, Ari 97.9 17 17 112.0 40 94 0 1 12-4 3.21 3
2 Edinson Volquez, Cin 96.6 17 16 99.1 23 110 0 0 10-3 2.08 1
3 Tim Lincecum, SF 95.6 17 16 109.2 29 114 0 0 9-1 2.38 3
4 Kerry Wood, ChC 90.1 39 0 40.2 11 51 20 0 4-1 2.43 3
5 Ben Sheets, Mil 87.6 16 16 111.1 35 91 0 1 9-2 2.83 2
6 Jose Valverde, Hou 84.1 40 0 40.1 19 50 22 0 4-2 4.24 2
7 Kevin Gregg, Fla 83.5 37 0 38.2 10 32 14 0 6-2 2.33 3
8 Ryan Dempster, ChC 78.1 17 17 105.0 38 86 0 0 9-3 3.26 3
9 Kyle Lohse, StL 78.0 18 18 105.1 43 50 0 0 10-2 3.67 3
10 Dan Haren, Ari 77.0 17 17 110.2 35 96 0 0 8-4 2.85 3

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

JHG722
07-01-2008, 06:12 PM
So ESPN is including closers and Lidge isn't there? :pity:

vince wilfort
07-01-2008, 06:20 PM
I think it should be Lee and Volquez. I take Volquez over Webb because his ERA is a lot lower despite playing in a much more hitter-friendly park than Webb.

belliard is god
07-01-2008, 06:34 PM
According to ESPN here is the list:

2008 Cy Young Predictor - American League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Cliff Lee, Cle 104.5 15 15 103.2 27 90 0 1 11-1 2.34 2
2 Francisco Rodriguez, LAA 96.5 38 0 35.1 8 33 32 0 0-1 2.04 4
3 Jonathan Papelbon, Bos 92.7 36 0 36.0 8 47 24 0 3-2 2.00 3
4 Joe Saunders, LAA 89.6 16 16 106.0 36 53 0 0 11-4 3.06 4
5 Mariano Rivera, NYY 85.9 34 0 36.1 3 42 22 0 2-2 0.74 2
6 Roy Halladay, Tor 83.9 18 17 130.1 42 106 0 1 9-6 2.90 2
7 Ervin Santana, LAA 81.5 16 16 108.1 40 99 0 1 9-3 3.32 4
8 George Sherrill, Bal 81.2 39 0 36.2 15 37 26 0 2-3 3.68 2
9 Justin Duchscherer, Oak 75.9 13 13 85.0 18 55 0 0 8-5 1.91 4
10 Joe Nathan, Min 74.2 34 0 33.2 5 37 22 0 0-0 1.34 3

2008 Cy Young Predictor - National League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Brandon Webb, Ari 97.9 17 17 112.0 40 94 0 1 12-4 3.21 3
2 Edinson Volquez, Cin 96.6 17 16 99.1 23 110 0 0 10-3 2.08 1
3 Tim Lincecum, SF 95.6 17 16 109.2 29 114 0 0 9-1 2.38 3
4 Kerry Wood, ChC 90.1 39 0 40.2 11 51 20 0 4-1 2.43 3
5 Ben Sheets, Mil 87.6 16 16 111.1 35 91 0 1 9-2 2.83 2
6 Jose Valverde, Hou 84.1 40 0 40.1 19 50 22 0 4-2 4.24 2
7 Kevin Gregg, Fla 83.5 37 0 38.2 10 32 14 0 6-2 2.33 3
8 Ryan Dempster, ChC 78.1 17 17 105.0 38 86 0 0 9-3 3.26 3
9 Kyle Lohse, StL 78.0 18 18 105.1 43 50 0 0 10-2 3.67 3
10 Dan Haren, Ari 77.0 17 17 110.2 35 96 0 0 8-4 2.85 3

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

:confused:

MiamiHeatMafia
07-01-2008, 06:36 PM
Tim Lincecum and Cliff Lee!

Ph1lly Diehard
07-01-2008, 06:43 PM
According to ESPN here is the list:

2008 Cy Young Predictor - American League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Cliff Lee, Cle 104.5 15 15 103.2 27 90 0 1 11-1 2.34 2
2 Francisco Rodriguez, LAA 96.5 38 0 35.1 8 33 32 0 0-1 2.04 4
3 Jonathan Papelbon, Bos 92.7 36 0 36.0 8 47 24 0 3-2 2.00 3
4 Joe Saunders, LAA 89.6 16 16 106.0 36 53 0 0 11-4 3.06 4
5 Mariano Rivera, NYY 85.9 34 0 36.1 3 42 22 0 2-2 0.74 2
6 Roy Halladay, Tor 83.9 18 17 130.1 42 106 0 1 9-6 2.90 2
7 Ervin Santana, LAA 81.5 16 16 108.1 40 99 0 1 9-3 3.32 4
8 George Sherrill, Bal 81.2 39 0 36.2 15 37 26 0 2-3 3.68 2
9 Justin Duchscherer, Oak 75.9 13 13 85.0 18 55 0 0 8-5 1.91 4
10 Joe Nathan, Min 74.2 34 0 33.2 5 37 22 0 0-0 1.34 3

2008 Cy Young Predictor - National League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Brandon Webb, Ari 97.9 17 17 112.0 40 94 0 1 12-4 3.21 3
2 Edinson Volquez, Cin 96.6 17 16 99.1 23 110 0 0 10-3 2.08 1
3 Tim Lincecum, SF 95.6 17 16 109.2 29 114 0 0 9-1 2.38 3
4 Kerry Wood, ChC 90.1 39 0 40.2 11 51 20 0 4-1 2.43 3
5 Ben Sheets, Mil 87.6 16 16 111.1 35 91 0 1 9-2 2.83 2
6 Jose Valverde, Hou 84.1 40 0 40.1 19 50 22 0 4-2 4.24 2
7 Kevin Gregg, Fla 83.5 37 0 38.2 10 32 14 0 6-2 2.33 3
8 Ryan Dempster, ChC 78.1 17 17 105.0 38 86 0 0 9-3 3.26 3
9 Kyle Lohse, StL 78.0 18 18 105.1 43 50 0 0 10-2 3.67 3
10 Dan Haren, Ari 77.0 17 17 110.2 35 96 0 0 8-4 2.85 3

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

Haha, Kevin Gregg and Jose Valverde ahead of Lidge?

Lidge is 19/19 and has under a .9 ERA..

UNDER .9!

Tragedy
07-01-2008, 06:44 PM
Rich Harden anyone?
When the season started, he was my prediction to win it. I thought he'd finally be healthy for an entire season. Two DL stints later, and I'm not too confident that his shoulder is totally sound.

I really appreciate what Cliff Lee has done so far this season, but I'm really wondering when he's going to begin his decline. Is he really THIS good? It's certainly possible, but a breakout year like he's having isn't overly common. It'll be interesting to see if he can keep this up the rest of the way.

torontosports10
07-01-2008, 06:44 PM
Lee and Volquez right now

What it will end up i HOPE

Doc Halladay and Timmy Lincecum

Jibonnie125
07-01-2008, 07:01 PM
So far it should be Cliff Lee and Volcuez, but i think both will struggle more later in the season because Lee's team has no offense so he may not get a ton of wins and Volquez is young. By the end of the season It should cliff lee or someone else, i think possibly Daisuke. And Webb should take it in the N.L.

Boston-Born
07-01-2008, 08:07 PM
I think Scott Kasmir needs to be included in this talk

H-MYK
07-01-2008, 08:15 PM
Lee and Volquez

As much as I want to see Halladay win the Cy this year, like RJ3 said, the 6 losses might hurt his chances. His biggest problem is that his record would've been better if he got more run support early in the season.

If Lee and Volquez were to win the Cys in their respective league, I'll be happy for them. It's nice to see someone different win it.

FriarFanatic
07-01-2008, 08:42 PM
in the NL i say its between Lincecum and Volquez with V slighty ahead of him the stats dont lie

in the AL i think as of right now its gotta Cliff Lee he's having an amazing year

Joba Rules!!
07-01-2008, 09:10 PM
According to ESPN here is the list:

2008 Cy Young Predictor - American League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Cliff Lee, Cle 104.5 15 15 103.2 27 90 0 1 11-1 2.34 2
2 Francisco Rodriguez, LAA 96.5 38 0 35.1 8 33 32 0 0-1 2.04 4
3 Jonathan Papelbon, Bos 92.7 36 0 36.0 8 47 24 0 3-2 2.00 3
4 Joe Saunders, LAA 89.6 16 16 106.0 36 53 0 0 11-4 3.06 4
5 Mariano Rivera, NYY 85.9 34 0 36.1 3 42 22 0 2-2 0.74 2
6 Roy Halladay, Tor 83.9 18 17 130.1 42 106 0 1 9-6 2.90 2
7 Ervin Santana, LAA 81.5 16 16 108.1 40 99 0 1 9-3 3.32 4
8 George Sherrill, Bal 81.2 39 0 36.2 15 37 26 0 2-3 3.68 2
9 Justin Duchscherer, Oak 75.9 13 13 85.0 18 55 0 0 8-5 1.91 4
10 Joe Nathan, Min 74.2 34 0 33.2 5 37 22 0 0-0 1.34 3

2008 Cy Young Predictor - National League

RK PLAYER CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB
1 Brandon Webb, Ari 97.9 17 17 112.0 40 94 0 1 12-4 3.21 3
2 Edinson Volquez, Cin 96.6 17 16 99.1 23 110 0 0 10-3 2.08 1
3 Tim Lincecum, SF 95.6 17 16 109.2 29 114 0 0 9-1 2.38 3
4 Kerry Wood, ChC 90.1 39 0 40.2 11 51 20 0 4-1 2.43 3
5 Ben Sheets, Mil 87.6 16 16 111.1 35 91 0 1 9-2 2.83 2
6 Jose Valverde, Hou 84.1 40 0 40.1 19 50 22 0 4-2 4.24 2
7 Kevin Gregg, Fla 83.5 37 0 38.2 10 32 14 0 6-2 2.33 3
8 Ryan Dempster, ChC 78.1 17 17 105.0 38 86 0 0 9-3 3.26 3
9 Kyle Lohse, StL 78.0 18 18 105.1 43 50 0 0 10-2 3.67 3
10 Dan Haren, Ari 77.0 17 17 110.2 35 96 0 0 8-4 2.85 3

Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/features/cy

Wow that is a complete joke.

the_lazy_man
07-01-2008, 09:11 PM
Go halladay, he might have those ugly 6 losses and a hell of a lot of earned runs, but 6 complete games and all those strike outs, wow if your just basing the CY young on like wins and losses then give it to lee or whomever, but for everything else, halladay wins the title imo.

JAYZFAN9
07-01-2008, 09:29 PM
Go halladay, he might have those ugly 6 losses and a hell of a lot of earned runs, but 6 complete games and all those strike outs, wow if your just basing the CY young on like wins and losses then give it to lee or whomever, but for everything else, halladay wins the title imo.

His ERA is under 3 dude!

the_lazy_man
07-01-2008, 10:04 PM
His ERA is under 3 dude!

He still has given up a lot of earned runs, though his 130 innings pitched does help his cause

Tragedy
07-01-2008, 10:25 PM
He still has given up a lot of earned runs, though his 130 innings pitched does help his cause
:laugh:

WHAT?

It doesn't matter how many innings he's pitched. So what that he's pitched so many. The point is, he clearly HASN'T given up a lot of runs. His ERA is under 3.00 (2.90), and his ERA+ stands at 139 (That's VERY good).

In 130 IP, he's given up 42 ER's. No, that's not a lot, as like noted, that equals less than a 3.00 ERA.

JAYZFAN9
07-01-2008, 11:04 PM
^ Doc never ceases to amaze me. Not many guys combine that kinda dominance with the IP he can put up

diggerbsb
07-01-2008, 11:17 PM
Aaron cook anyone? Second in nl in wins and a respectable ERA

Jimmy3702
07-02-2008, 12:18 AM
NL: Lincecum

Epic89
07-02-2008, 12:57 AM
I think Scott Kasmir needs to be included in this talk

Ditto

torontocubs
07-02-2008, 10:54 AM
I think Doc is definately in contention with Cliff Lee, but Lee is putting on a hell of a year.

Can't beleive Kazmir wasn't getting any love, hes pitched amazing.

But seriously.... JOHN LACKEY ANYONE

CHECK HIS NUMBERS... He will have the innings pitched at the end of the year.

K-Rod has to be up there aswell, easily could break the save record.

torontocubs
07-02-2008, 10:59 AM
Lackey has been the best pitcher so far this year, I dont care about his innings

Cub_StuckinSTL
07-02-2008, 11:03 AM
I think Doc is definately in contention with Cliff Lee, but Lee is putting on a hell of a year.

Can't beleive Kazmir wasn't getting any love, hes pitched amazing.

But seriously.... JOHN LACKEY ANYONE

CHECK HIS NUMBERS... He will have the innings pitched at the end of the year.

K-Rod has to be up there aswell, easily could break the save record.

Eh Lackey's been pitching well but so much emphasis goes on W's in the Cy Young (yes I know its ****) that his little injury stint and having 40 less IP than the next candidates could hurt his cause

torontocubs
07-02-2008, 11:31 AM
Well He has what 7 wins now, at this pace he should win almost every start. I think He will get some attention. He has pitched that well this year.

ShinobiNYC
07-02-2008, 12:16 PM
I believe Lackey should get more recognition, he is having a great season.

torontocubs
07-02-2008, 12:36 PM
Unquestionably, Lackey has been the most dominant pitcher so far. I don't care that he was out with his injury. He has been borderline unhittable.

sboyajian
07-02-2008, 01:07 PM
According to ESPN here is the list:

3 Jonathan Papelbon, Bos 92.7 36 0 36.0 8 47 24 0 3-2 2.00 3
5 Mariano Rivera, NYY 85.9 34 0 36.1 3 42 22 0 2-2 0.74 2


:confused: Umm... undoubtedly Paps is pitching well.. he usually does..

but perhaps I am missing where he is somehow pitching better than Mo has so far this season..

cwilson21
07-02-2008, 01:15 PM
I see it coming down between Kazmir and Lackey right now. Those 2 are having great seasons but more importantly, are pitching for winning teams. Lee and Halladay are having equally impressive years but as it looks right now, their teams won't make the postseason which pretty much eliminates them from talk (Just like Santana in '05 when he had the best year as a starter in the AL but didn't win because the Twins failed to make the playoffs). In the NL I see Webb winning it again though pitchers such as Lincecum and Volquez are having better seasons. The Giants and Reds will probably fail to make the playoffs and if the D-Backs make it, Webb will probably have 18-20 wins on the season.

CarniifeX
07-02-2008, 01:28 PM
I think right now, for the first half awards, they go to Cliff Lee and Edinson Volquez. But, at the end of the year, I think Lackey will be there. He started the season on the DL, since coming off has been almst unhittable. Here is his game log.


7 Innings, 1 ER, 4 K's, ND ('08 Debut)

7 Innings, 1 ER, 6 K's, W

8 Innings, 3 ER, 3 K's, L

8 Innings, 1 ER, 7 K's, ND

7 Innings, 1 ER, 5 K's, W

7.1 Innings, 2 ER, 7 K's, W

7.2 Innings, 1 ER, 7 K's, W

8 Innings, 1 ER, 6 K's, W

8.2 Innings, 0 ER, 9 K's, W



Amazing. I am not trying to be a homer or anything, but I mean those stats are incredible.

torontocubs
07-02-2008, 02:06 PM
I think right now, for the first half awards, they go to Cliff Lee and Edinson Volquez. But, at the end of the year, I think Lackey will be there. He started the season on the DL, since coming off has been almst unhittable. Here is his game log.


7 Innings, 1 ER, 4 K's, ND ('08 Debut)

7 Innings, 1 ER, 6 K's, W

8 Innings, 3 ER, 3 K's, L

8 Innings, 1 ER, 7 K's, ND

7 Innings, 1 ER, 5 K's, W

7.1 Innings, 2 ER, 7 K's, W

7.2 Innings, 1 ER, 7 K's, W

8 Innings, 1 ER, 6 K's, W

8.2 Innings, 0 ER, 9 K's, W



Amazing. I am not trying to be a homer or anything, but I mean those stats are incredible.

When the numbers are like that, its not being a homer. Those numbers are unbelievable. Truly amazing stuff so far. HE is everything you would want in a pitcher. Huge inning count, Wins, Ridiculously low ERA, Striking guys out. I mean its not like hes doing one thing great and not the others, he is doing everything unbelievably well.

dodgersuck
07-02-2008, 03:17 PM
lincecum for CY!!!!

chicagowhitesox
07-02-2008, 03:23 PM
K-Rod and Volquez

chisoxfan620
07-02-2008, 03:26 PM
Lee for the AL and Webb for the NL.

koldjerky
07-02-2008, 04:00 PM
The NL is putting out some good numbers from pitchers this season (so far) and I'd say it's between Volquez and Lincecum.

That ESPN list has to be a farce because valverde and gregg are in the top 10 and they aren't even the best closers right now let alone top 10 pitchers.

If Hamels throws more consistent starts stringing together wins (because we all know wins mean everything to voters) I think that could help his case too, since he has a good ERA and high K:BB ratio. I'm not saying he should win it, it's just amazing how good some NL pitchers are this year when Hamels, Santana, Haren, Oswalt, Peavy and Zambrano are barely even in the discussion.

FriarFanatic
07-02-2008, 04:12 PM
webb wont win it

cwilson21
07-02-2008, 04:16 PM
Must be a Padres fan huh? Unless the Reds or Giants end the season on a very high note and finish above .500, then I'd consider them Cy Young candidates at the end but I don't see those teams competing for a playoff spot.

CY24
07-02-2008, 04:26 PM
I see Lincecum hanging around but I dont see Volquez being in the top 3 by the end of the year. For one, I dont see him keeping it up and, second, I see the reds falling out of contention. Lincecum's Giants may fall out of contention but he is more likely to keep it up than volquez. It will come down to 'cum and Webb and I think Webb will take it because of how many wins he can potentially have. Also, I see Haren as a dark horse as he is a great second half player and is 8-4 with a 2.84 era.

koldjerky
07-02-2008, 04:38 PM
I see Lincecum hanging around but I dont see Volquez being in the top 3 by the end of the year. For one, I dont see him keeping it up and, second, I see the reds falling out of contention. Lincecum's Giants may fall out of contention but he is more likely to keep it up than volquez. It will come down to 'cum and Webb and I think Webb will take it because of how many wins he can potentially have. Also, I see Haren as a dark horse as he is a great second half player and is 8-4 with a 2.84 era.

Where do you get the Lincecum will last but Volquez won't? They both are having grreat years and have no real history to suggest either will fall or stay on the same path their on.

Red_Sox_89
07-02-2008, 06:51 PM
Yeah, Scott Kazmir definitely has to be included in this talk. As far as I'm concerned, he'll have it by the end of the season

CAIN=FUTURE
07-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Must be a Padres fan huh? Unless the Reds or Giants end the season on a very high note and finish above .500, then I'd consider them Cy Young candidates at the end but I don't see those teams competing for a playoff spot.

The Giants are only 5 games out right now and it dosnt seem like either the D-backs or dodgers are putting them away, so anything is possible. And the Giants would be damned if you told them they cant contend for the playoffs, they're young, they're cocky, and I love it.

rriders9
07-02-2008, 09:50 PM
Ian Kennedy and Barry Zito, just kidding

rriders9
07-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Actually i think Volquez will win it in the NL. Lee will come down a little bit and with what little offense he already has he wont get any wins. I think if Harden stays healthy and puts together a strong second half, he can win it