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RedSoxtober
06-30-2008, 02:35 PM
Boston Red Sox (50-34) vs Tampa Bay Rays (49-32)


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Location: Tropicana Field (http://tampabay.rays.mlb.com/tb/ballpark/index.jsp)


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Game 1

Monday, June 30 - 7:10 ET



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BOS: Justin Masterson (4-1, 3.43) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/masteju01.shtml) vs TBR: RHP James Shields (5-5, 3.76) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/shielja02.shtml)



Red Sox: Masterson earned his second career win against Tampa Bay on June 3, a 7-4 decision at Fenway Park. It wasn't his most dominant performance, allowing four runs on six hits during six innings of work. But it did set the tone for the three-game set as the Red Sox swept the Rays to regain first place in the AL East. Masterson's last start was very similar to that game against the Rays; he allowed four runs on seven hits against Arizona on Tuesday.




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Rays: Shields is coming off a resounding victory over the Marlins on Wednesday night in which the right-hander broke a seven-game dry spell to notch the win. He tossed seven innings of four-hit ball, allowing only a solo home run to Mike Jacobs in the sixth inning. Shields will face a new rival in the Red Sox, as the right-hander was one of five Rays suspended in June 5's on-field melee at Fenway Park. Monday's game will be the 27-year-old's fourth appearance against the Red Sox this year. Shields has beaten Boston once this season, in April 27's game at Tropicana Field, but sports an impressive 1.99 ERA in home starts.


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Game 2

Tuesday, July 1 - 7:10 ET



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BOS: RHP Tim Wakefield (5-5, 3.76) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wakefti01.shtml) vs TBR: RHP Matt Garza (6-4, 3.76) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/garzama01.shtml)



Red Sox: Wakefield was in top form in his last start against the D-backs, holding Arizona to just two hits in seven shutout innings. He fanned six batters and never allowed more than one runner on base at a time. He allowed three runs on six hits in his lone matchup with Tampa Bay this season, earning a no-decision in a 5-4 loss on April 25. He has allowed three runs or less in each of his last six outings.




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Rays: The right-hander is coming off a masterful performance on Thursday afternoon in which Garza gave the Rays a preview of just how good he can be. The 24-year-old held the Marlins to just one-hit -- a solo home run by Hanley Ramirez -- en route to his first-ever complete game. Garza threw all four of his pitches for strikes and retired the first 10 straight Fish before walking Jeremy Hermida in the fourth inning. Tuesday will mark Garza's third outing against Boston this season, (he is 0-1) and he will look to continue the momentum found against Florida. The right-hander has arguably the best stuff on the Rays staff and if he can keep his emotions in check, he is a force on the mound.



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Game 3

Wednesday, July 2 - 7:10 ET



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BOS: RHP Daisuke Matsuzaka (9-1, 3.21) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/matsuda01.shtml) vs TBR: LHP Scott Kazmir (7-3, 2.28) (http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kazmisc01.shtml)



Red Sox: In his final start before All-Star selections are revealed, Matsuzaka will go after his 10th victory in the finale of a three-game series against the Rays. Matsuzaka's fired five shutout innings in beating the Astros in his last start. This, after he lasted just one inning (plus three batters in the second) in his return from the disabled list against the Cardinals. Matsuzaka is holding opponents to a .206 average. He is 4-0 with a 2.20 ERA in six road starts this season.




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Rays: Manager Joe Maddon said Kazmir didn't have his best stuff in his last start against the Pirates. The Rays ace agreed, saying his slider and changeup were not up to par. However, he did manage to limit Pittsburgh to three earned runs in five innings. He will need to do a much better job against the Red Sox, against whom he is 6-6 with a 2.82 ERA against in his career. His last start against Boston came May 4. Kazmir left after four innings and four runs.



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-Lavigne43-
06-30-2008, 02:36 PM
I don't like these match ups.

v3n0m
06-30-2008, 03:12 PM
Don't get me wrong, I am not taking any credit from the Sox, but I think this series will be won by the Rays, no joke...

bosox3431
06-30-2008, 04:15 PM
I don't like these match ups.

I think the matchups are pretty good, from a baseball standpoint anyways. There all pretty even with both teams having a good chance to any of them. I think this may be a low scoring series

Tragedy
06-30-2008, 05:30 PM
I don't like these match ups.
Nor do I. We're sure to get destroyed by Kazmir.

We MUST take 2.

KmB728
06-30-2008, 05:51 PM
Ehhh are you sure about Kazmir? i mean we do have Dice K goin?

but i would much rather have Beckett and Lester in this series no doubt...

-Lavigne43-
06-30-2008, 06:08 PM
Ehhh are you sure about Kazmir? i mean we do have Dice K goin?

but i would much rather have Beckett and Lester in this series no doubt...

Exactly why I don't like these match ups. We have our back end of the rotation going against their top pitchers. Last year I would be fine with this because Lester and Beckett are going against the Yankees but this year the Rays are the threat.

Tragedy
06-30-2008, 06:34 PM
Ehhh are you sure about Kazmir? i mean we do have Dice K goin?

but i would much rather have Beckett and Lester in this series no doubt...
And who knows which Matsuzaka we get, anyways.

And anyways, Matsuzaka will likely just struggle through his 5 innings, giving the bullpen and even better chance to blow it.

I just don't like that matchup. It's hard enough to hit Kazmir, so the runs will be a bit of a premium.

-Lavigne43-
06-30-2008, 07:16 PM
**** Great start for Masterson

-Lavigne43-
06-30-2008, 08:06 PM
Tie game! Finally we got to Shields.

JHG722
06-30-2008, 08:41 PM
Masty doesn't have it tonight...

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 08:41 PM
Ya once again with 2 outs we walk a crapy hitter right in front of Pena. What the heck is wrong with this team. I have to blame the pitching coach as Aybar was walked on 4 pitches. Game over. Be lucky when we head back home if were not in 4th place by then. I think Toronto can't catch us that quick but we need major help at the deadline. A proven starter and solid relief pitcher and if Ortiz is not back soon another power threat. Moss and Colon and either Masterson or Bowden trade bait. Sorry but Colon like our rookies and I rather go with them. We need a top of the rotation guy with experience which is Sheets or C.C. which Bucholz,Masterson,Lester and Wakefield is not. A guy for the 8th inning that can get out of jams like Okijami did last inning is a must. Ellsbury is struggling right now and Coco on a suspension. Moss doesn't play regular enough to come off the bench and start and put up great numbers. Drew almost under .300 and Manny still not 100% who seems more concern about getting upset at other people then at getting out of the slump he is in and getting his handstring 100%. Right now Lowell,Pedroia and Youk all we got. Varitek doesn't even deserve to be starting the way he been hitting last 6 weeks. Beckett pitch really well lately and Wakefield been hot and Lester put up numbers way better then I thaught at this point in the year. Dice K record and ERA is much better then I thaught it be to. The DL hurt him though. Timlin been garbage. Okijami horrible under pressure and as bad as you get with guys on. Decarmon been on but every so often has a bad game and Hansen needs to work on his mechinics. He needs to trust himself more. Papelbon been really good but not invisisable with 4 blown saves already.

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 08:44 PM
Yes Drew. as far as what I said I speaking my mind. Half the things will take care of itself but these things are more noticable when a team not playing well but It has to be a concern as a Redsox fan.

JHG722
06-30-2008, 08:44 PM
Thanks JD! (I still hate you :pity:)

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 08:49 PM
But Ellsbury and Manny still continue there slump last inning. Ellsbury average gone from .280 to the .269. Manny was over .300 not long ago in the mid .280,s

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:00 PM
Come on Youk

-Lavigne43-
06-30-2008, 09:07 PM
Tek needs to get a hit here

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:08 PM
The worse guy to have up in this situation. Save the team don't hit into a double play. Just strikeout and give Lugo a chance.

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:11 PM
Come on Lugo

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:13 PM
This team anything but clutch. Every scoring opportunity it seems like they leave guys on base. At least the top of the order be up next inning.

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:24 PM
God Smith sucks. Who ever he is he shouldn't be in our bullpen. Walks 3 out of 4 batters.They only reason he didn't walk all of them is cause of sacafice bunt.

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:31 PM
At least Lopez does good. It could be much worse given the situation he was in entering the game.

JHG722
06-30-2008, 09:34 PM
I dont even know who Smith is :/

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:40 PM
Ellsbury doing nothing from the leadoff spot. Once again like yesterday our offense was a big letdown. 4 runs in 2 games isn't going win to many. The difference boston walked 7 develrays which lead to runs. Drew homerun came with no one on base cause the top lineup isn't producing.

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 09:56 PM
Wierd double that shouldn't have counted as it hit the wire

JHG722
06-30-2008, 09:59 PM
Moss shows up. Tek partially shows up. Cmon Lugo...

Greenmonster24
06-30-2008, 10:02 PM
I think Moss should be a due over. I mean that going go as a earn run for Percival and 2 runs scored as a result of hitting that wire. I not sure I want to win because of something like that. I want to win clean and lose clean.

gcoll
06-30-2008, 10:09 PM
Man, I hate the Rays.

Tomorrow is the only pitching matchup that favors us, due to Wake's numbers at the Trop, so we gotta win that one.

JHG722
06-30-2008, 10:13 PM
Clutch, Lugo, clutch.

Celts22
06-30-2008, 10:19 PM
Sweet, just when there was a glimpse of having a rally we had Varitek and Lugo coming up.

CyYoungPapelbon
06-30-2008, 10:24 PM
This is my first, and hopefully only, Francona move bashing of the season. I've tried a lot harder not to complain about his managing because I know he doesn't take the regular season too serious anymore and he's a totally different guy come playoff time. I would not take a manager in the league over him in October...

With that said, his managing the last couple days has been pretty awful. First, he continues to trot Hideki Okajima out there despite the fact that the guy has been KILLED all month. Now for tonight's game...

Why did we leave Sean Casey on the bench and let our 2 worst hitters hit with the game on the line? Casey kills left-handed pitching and J.P. Howell is just as tough on righties as he is on lefties due to his changeup. Really awful move and you could argue he's cost us 2 games in 2 days by being loyal to a fault (pitching Okajima when he's shown he doesn't belong anywhere near a close game at this point and not pinch hitting for Varitek or Lugo).

Casey vs. lefties this year: .350 in 20 AB's.
Last year: .365 in 63 AB's.
2006: .287 in 108 AB's.
2005: .335 in 197 AB's.
2004: .306 in 183 AB's.
2003: .320 in 181 AB's.

Great move by Joe Madden to bring in Howell even when Percival wanted to still pitch. My guess is he liked the Howell/Lugo matchup a lot more than the Percival/Casey matchup and knew that Francona would leave Lugo in (as I did when it went to a commercial break--I was praying Casey had already been introduced into the game so Francona couldn't go back to Lugo like I knew he would if he could).

JHG722
06-30-2008, 10:27 PM
Yeah, I was wondering why the hell Lugo, especially was up there. I'd see Tito being more loyal to Tek, even though he cant hit worth a ****. Boggles my mind why Mayor doesnt get an atbat...

gcoll
06-30-2008, 10:39 PM
If you're going to claim that the last at bat of the game, is what cost us the game.....I think you're being a little well, moronic.

I mean....Lugo got a hold of it. Hit it right at the shortstop though.

Tek made good contact.

The offensive player that I'd blame the most on this particular day, would actually be Ellsbury. He's gotta get it going.

JHG722
06-30-2008, 10:41 PM
If I had the ability to watch the game, I'd be able to judge better ;)

CyYoungPapelbon
06-30-2008, 10:52 PM
If you're going to claim that the last at bat of the game, is what cost us the game.....I think you're being a little well, moronic.

I mean....Lugo got a hold of it. Hit it right at the shortstop though.

Tek made good contact.

The offensive player that I'd blame the most on this particular day, would actually be Ellsbury. He's gotta get it going.Obviously it wasn't the only place the game was decided (Masterson's 2 out walks also killed us, they got 3 runs off them and had another big rally that he got out of), but it was probably the biggest part of the game. We were handed a huge break by the way their stadium is set up and this game became very winnable.

Lugo hit the ball pretty hard, but it wasn't exactly smashed. Same with Varitek...hit well but a little bit off the end of the bat.

I don't have a problem with the at bats Lugo or 'Tek had, it's the whole idea of letting your two worst hitters hit with a very good hitter in Sean Casey on the bench and both the game and 1st place on the line. That's a little moronic.

The manager can't control whether his team wins at the end of the day, but he can put them in the best position possible to win it and Francona didn't do that. Even if Varitek or Lugo came through in the end, it still doesn't make them a better option to hit with the game on the line than Sean Casey.

Tragedy
06-30-2008, 11:02 PM
I can already tell where this entire week is going.

Not pretty.

-Lavigne43-
06-30-2008, 11:22 PM
Yeah I was pretty pissed when Tito did not pinch hit Casey. Hopefully we can take these next two.

-Lavigne43-
06-30-2008, 11:23 PM
I can already tell where this entire week is going.

Not pretty.

Thank you Gcoll

gcoll
07-01-2008, 12:58 AM
Thank you Gcoll

No problem.


Even if Varitek or Lugo came through in the end, it still doesn't make them a better option to hit with the game on the line than Sean Casey.
What are Sean Casey's numbers pinch hitting?

Tragedy
07-01-2008, 02:10 AM
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't today Caseys last day of his suspension? If that's the case, we can't complain that he didn't come out at the end.


Thank you Gcoll
Says the guy who at the beginning of the game, said:


**** Great start for Masterson

bosox3431
07-01-2008, 02:21 AM
No problem.


What are Sean Casey's numbers pinch hitting?

in 70 AB'a as a PH he has 0 HR's, 10 RBI's, and a .257/.346/.271 line. He's not a very good PH. The OBP is ok, but nothing great at all, and Lugo's numbers this year are better then those numbers.

bosox3431
07-01-2008, 02:26 AM
This was prolly Masterson's worst performance so far, but was still solid. Im really impressed by him. Something little I didnt know about him, but according to baseball-reference he was born in Jamaica, something I thought was pretty cool

-Lavigne43-
07-01-2008, 02:50 AM
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't today Caseys last day of his suspension? If that's the case, we can't complain that he didn't come out at the end.


Says the guy who at the beginning of the game, said:

I did not say I thought we were in for a disappointing game. I was pissed that Masterson left one up for Upton to hammer on the first pitch of the game.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:49 PM
Damnit already 1-0 Tampa!

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:50 PM
Cora popsout :(

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:51 PM
Lets go Cash!!!!

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:55 PM
3 outs.....

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:55 PM
Cmon Wake!

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:56 PM
Basehit:(

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:56 PM
And a Double Play :)

i am bob
07-01-2008, 07:58 PM
Wake K's Upton :clap:

JHG722
07-01-2008, 07:59 PM
Passed ball/Wild pitches :pity:

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:01 PM
Nice Ellsbury to 3rd base!!!!

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:05 PM
Tied!

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:05 PM
Manny :(

JHG722
07-01-2008, 08:06 PM
Thanks for showing up, JD.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:09 PM
Flyout :clap:

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:09 PM
Hello Greenmonster24 :)

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:10 PM
Longoria gets on :(

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:11 PM
Wake K's Floyd

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:12 PM
Pass ball. :(

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:13 PM
Damnit 2-1

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:15 PM
End of inning with a K.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 08:17 PM
Why can't they ever get the 3rd out of inning without giving up a run. I know as soon as the pass ball that this would happen. This team sucks with 2 outs and guys in scoring position getting the 3rd out of the inning. Its not one pitcher its the hole team. Its end up like yesterday. Leave 13 guys on base again and make errors that lead to all the other teams runs. This team not playing good baseball and I start blaming the coaches. Pass balls and wild pitches and fielding the team alot worse then last season all around which you have to contribute to the coaching staff not getting them prepared for the game enough.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:17 PM
Yanks are losing :)

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:19 PM
Flyout.

Tragedy
07-01-2008, 08:20 PM
Yanks are losing :)
While that's a plus, I think the bigger concern is that the Rays are winning - And it's against us.

I'm currently more worried about the Rays than the Yankees, too. But I also predict some bad stuff happening from here until Sunday. I'm not going to be shocked to see 5 L's this week. Call me pessimistic, but it's not looking good (I await a poster to say "Oh, you're a bandwagon fan!").

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 08:22 PM
The Yankees score I don't even care about. What good is finishing ahead of New York if we don't make the playoffs. In fact I like seing Boston and New York both in the Playoffs with Redsox winning it. It makes for good baseball. Can you imagine if the Redsox and Yankees both missed the playoffs how low the Television rattings would go. However I don't want to see umps and people try alter the outcome of the series to try and make the best matchups happen.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 08:27 PM
The bottom of the lineup looks so weak with Moss,Cora and Cash. They shouldn't have 3 backups in there in one game. Coco suspended and Wakefield pitching so they should have either had Manny in left and Casey DH or Lugo playing instead of Cora.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:48 PM
1 out in the 6th.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:49 PM
Popout.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:50 PM
Walk.....

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:52 PM
Stolen base :(

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:54 PM
Popout end of inning :)

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:57 PM
Nice to see Lowell batting .301

i am bob
07-01-2008, 08:59 PM
That was a deep ball from a weak swing.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:01 PM
2 out :(

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:03 PM
Moss basehit :) yay

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:06 PM
Cmon Cora

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 09:06 PM
Hopefully this be last inning for Garza. Something hopefully a new pitcher will wake up our bats.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:07 PM
What a play!!! Damn Evan Longoria :mad:

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:09 PM
Out #1.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:11 PM
Another groundout.

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:11 PM
Double :(

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:13 PM
Stole 3rd. :mad:

i am bob
07-01-2008, 09:15 PM
Whew 3 outs.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 09:15 PM
Wakefield most be near the end he thrown over 110 pitches. Even though his arm doesn't get tired as much he is still 41 years old and not young any more.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 09:38 PM
God what the heck. Can't do crap with bases loaded again.
LOB seems to keep on coming. All they needed was a hit from Drew who struck out or Manny who walked and had pitches to hit or Lowell. Whats wrong with Manny he is always late on every fastball lately. Seriously if he is hurt why is he playing as he not helping the team going 1 for 10 in last couple games.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 09:41 PM
Were are going get swept. What the heck as they only scored 1 run of both tampa bay first 2 starters and tomorrow Kazmer pitching. I don't expect to score any of him if they can't score off tampa other starters.

yaowowrocket11
07-01-2008, 09:47 PM
Were are going get swept. What the heck as they only scored 1 run of both tampa bay first 2 starters and tomorrow Kazmer pitching. I don't expect to score any of him if they can't score off tampa other starters.

:clap:

I nominate you for most negative Sox fan!

Jeez, its one series. Its July. Its called a small slump. Whooppe doo, we lost 3 straight games. Every team has bumps in the road. They will get it going soon enough.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 09:51 PM
Look at Kazmer record against the Redsox and the fact that the Redsox seem to not be able to score and how well Kazmer pitched and yes odds are against them winning tomorrow. I almost rather save Dice K to against NY as I think he match up and take over any one in there rotation now that Wang out and Clemens is not there.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 09:58 PM
This is freaken unbelievable unreal. How can every damm time a damm pitcher comes in he can't get a damm out without giving up a ****ing run. This is insane. What this the 5 straight game someone come on with 2 outs and a guy on base and the guy on base scored. This bullpen needs to be rebuilt from bottom up as they suck. Oh and every time the redsox have guys on base they can never score a ****ing run. Strikeout groundout. They can lose 5 straight games while outhitting the opponent in every one of those games. I think its time to fire some people as this is unacceptable with this huge payroll. Were not the Marlins with only 30 million we bring in about 300 million a year from the fans and spend 150 million on players and non of them can be clutch at all.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 10:00 PM
Not even Youkilis can get a freaken hit. He never swings at ball yet strikes out on 3 pitches on one out of the zone. This team is hopeless

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 10:02 PM
Strikeout after strikeout in the 9th. This team is really sucking bad.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 10:07 PM
Varitek belongs in the minors to he starts hitting again.

gcoll
07-01-2008, 10:11 PM
Tampa Bay really does annoy me.

But, seriously. Greenmonster, it's no reason to freak out. Settle down a bit.

We've hit a bit of a slump at the beginning of July. Not exactly earth shattering stuff.

What I learned from TB's announcers today was that Garza is a young John Smoltz, but with a better 2 seamer. And that Evan Longoria doesn't have to "take a back seat" to any third basemen in the history of major league baseball.

bosox1899
07-01-2008, 10:19 PM
:clap:

I nominate you for most negative Sox fan!

Jeez, its one series. Its July. Its called a small slump. Whooppe doo, we lost 3 straight games. Every team has bumps in the road. They will get it going soon enough.

always an excuse for everything i guess and again with this "its July", how many more months left of baseball is there, I bet in September all of you are gonna be "its only september"...they already played half a season, so when exactly is this team gonna get it going??? yes its only 3 games but two of those are to tampa who is in our division and our offense is so inconsistent, they suck more often then they are good unfortunately. Its almost hard to be optimistic with this team with so many of the weak spots we have especially down the order.

PS its not only one series, some of you need to stop justifying this team's lack of consistency, our offense comes and goes more often it goes, its too bad beckett is getting hardly any run support, he'd prob have about 10 wins instead of just 7. if i were to grade this team for the first half I'd give them a C- right now. One reason being they are letting the Yankees stay in it even though they are playing like crap themselves and the other reason is our offense scores like 5 to 8 runs for 3 to 5 game stretches then the next 5 to 7 games we struggle to score 1 run :pity:

Tragedy
07-01-2008, 10:20 PM
What I learned from TB's announcers today was that Garza is a young John Smoltz, but with a better 2 seamer. And that Evan Longoria doesn't have to "take a back seat" to any third basemen in the history of major league baseball.
:speechless:

Sometimes, the homerism of commentators doesn't cease to amaze me. John Smoltz? Really? A HOF pitcher? I see.

-Lavigne43-
07-01-2008, 10:25 PM
It's a slump, teams go through them all the time. You would think after seeing stretches like this every year people would stop having ***** fits. I heard the same crap here last year.

Greenmonster24
07-01-2008, 10:42 PM
Last year it was Pedroia only hitting .200 beggining of May and everyone critizing the team for not resigning Loretta and giving second base to him. Lugo was also hitting.230 and people wondering why the year before they wanted to trade for this guy and why they signed him for so much money and the team giving him a free pass when Renteria got eaten up for a year that wasn't that bad offensively. Drew was another one why Boston spend 5 years on him and he only had like 6 homers at the all star break. We could have gotten same numbers from Murphy. Last year Okijami was lights out. Beckett was a solid ace all year starting out 7 and 0 not 7 and 6. Dice K still doesn't seem alot better then last year and the only thing seems better is his record but he been lucky alot as other teams could have done lot more damage to him in his bad innings this year then they had. Last year Gagne blew game after game for them. That what he means but Lavigne when he said last year they had people complaining about things and look where they ended up. Last year though there was the Mother day game and 4 homers in a row and we spent the hole year in first place. The division we were at least 5 games up most of the year and the wild card never was in question. Right now the wild card is where we are at as Tampa lead is growing on us and the wild card lead is shrinking the way we been this week. Arizona fans in the NY must feel same way after there great start only to be at .500 right now in a division that sucks where they could be 8 games up not for there worse slump in like franchise history.

Tragedy
07-01-2008, 10:51 PM
Last year it was Pedroia only hitting .200 beggining of May and everyone critizing the team for not resigning Loretta and giving second base to him. Lugo was also hitting.230 and people wondering why the year before they wanted to trade for this guy and why they signed him for so much money and the team giving him a free pass when Renteria got eaten up for a year that wasn't that bad offensively. Drew was another one why Boston spend 5 years on him and he only had like 6 homers at the all star break. We could have gotten same numbers from Murphy. Last year Okijami was lights out. Beckett was a solid ace all year starting out 7 and 0 not 7 and 6. Dice K still doesn't seem alot better then last year and the only thing seems better is his record but he been lucky alot as other teams could have done lot more damage to him in his bad innings this year then they had. Last year Gagne blew game after game for them. That what he means but Lavigne when he said last year they had people complaining about things and look where they ended up. Last year though there was the Mother day game and 4 homers in a row and we spent the hole year in first place. The division we were at least 5 games up most of the year and the wild card never was in question. Right now the wild card is where we are at as Tampa lead is growing on us and the wild card lead is shrinking the way we been this week. Arizona fans in the NY must feel same way after there great start only to be at .500 right now in a division that sucks where they could be 8 games up not for there worse slump in like franchise history.
But, none of the past has any bearing on right now. Oki last year? Drew last year? Renteria? Who cares?

It's about this year. We're not playing great baseball, everyone understands that. Is it frustrating? Of course it is - I've already made statement where I said I had very little confidence for this entire week.

But you're acting like it's the end of the world. The Red Sox are a solid overall team. Can we win it all? Yes, we have a great core group of guys. Will we? I don't know - But we can't be getting greedy. I was content with one championship, and then we won a second one. Now I feel like fans are beginning to EXPECT the championship, which is one of the reasons why we hated the Yankees for all of those years.

The Red Sox WILL be okay. They're a solid team, and they'll play better baseball. Two weeks ago you weren't complaining. Right now, we've hit a tough stretch. Division or Wild Card, I don't care. As long as we're one of the final 4 teams in the AL, I'm content.

-Lavigne43-
07-01-2008, 11:06 PM
We have pretty much an identical record this year as we did last year at this point in the season. To be doing that without Ortiz in the lineup for an extended time is terrific. We are playing bad right now but I kind of expected this after the Astros series. I predicted a Tampa sweep in the prediction game because I believed Tampa would take at least 2/3. Their pitchers are hot right now and our offense is currently struggling. I do believe we will start playing better after this series, and when Ortiz is back we will be an extremely scary team.

yaowowrocket11
07-01-2008, 11:15 PM
always an excuse for everything i guess and again with this "its July", how many more months left of baseball is there, I bet in September all of you are gonna be "its only september"...they already played half a season, so when exactly is this team gonna get it going??? yes its only 3 games but two of those are to tampa who is in our division and our offense is so inconsistent, they suck more often then they are good unfortunately. Its almost hard to be optimistic with this team with so many of the weak spots we have especially down the order.

PS its not only one series, some of you need to stop justifying this team's lack of consistency, our offense comes and goes more often it goes, its too bad beckett is getting hardly any run support, he'd prob have about 10 wins instead of just 7. if i were to grade this team for the first half I'd give them a C- right now. One reason being they are letting the Yankees stay in it even though they are playing like crap themselves and the other reason is our offense scores like 5 to 8 runs for 3 to 5 game stretches then the next 5 to 7 games we struggle to score 1 run :pity:

C- ?????????

3rd best record in the league with many injuries. Ortiz almost all year, and our whole pitching staff has on and off injures the whole year.

gcoll
07-01-2008, 11:36 PM
:speechless:

Sometimes, the homerism of commentators doesn't cease to amaze me. John Smoltz? Really? A HOF pitcher? I see.

Oh, they're bad.

I understand Garza has potential....but you don't just start calling him "a young John Smoltz BUT with a better 2 seamer"

That, and comparing Longoria to a whole host of players, including: Alex Rodriguez, Brooks Robinson (defensively), Jim Rice, Fred Lynn (due to how they played as rookies)...it was pretty crazy.

This is the same guy though, that claimed that by reducing Coco's suspension by 2 games, the MLB was sending a message, that you "don't mess with the Red Sox"


I've already made statement where I said I had very little confidence for this entire week.
Yeah. This week doesn't look good. You could see it in interleague. This team will kind of stumble into the all star break.

But, as far as playoff scenarios go. We're right where we want to be.


and when Ortiz is back we will be an extremely scary team.
For me, that's still an "if". But Ortiz doesn't even have to be David Ortiz....just him being back on the team, will have a positive influence on everyone else. It'll give us a boost. It'll almost be like making a big trade at the deadline. The kind of energy it'll bring to the club.

ManRam
07-01-2008, 11:40 PM
Wow...these Rays are legit. Their team is solid, in all aspects of the game...and this series is just giving them more and more confidence.

They're here to stay. It's going to be a race.

It's somewhat unlucky that we ran into Shields, Garza and Kazmir. Those three have been pitching amazingly lately. They have a great rotation. Throw in Sonnanstine/Jackson, and potentially Price, and the Rays rotation is championship calibur.

Matsuzaka vs. Kazmir tomorrow. Hopefully Dice-K can play the stopper role effectively. Hopefully we snap out of the slump we're in.

bosox1899
07-02-2008, 11:55 AM
C- ?????????

3rd best record in the league with many injuries. Ortiz almost all year, and our whole pitching staff has on and off injures the whole year.

dont let the record fool you, we should have a way better record than we have now, the C- is mainly for the inconsistency in both the offense and the bullpen, right now we can't really depend on any of the bullpen guys except prob paps but hes been iffy a few times this season. maybe its the fact that its the rays and we dont expect them to be any good every year but even worse is that they are outplaying us especially with all the money we waste on certain players, we shouldn't be getting swept by them twice which could happen if they lose tonight. this team really needs a rest and thankfully the all star break is coming up which should help them immensely

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 01:46 PM
We are 6-5 against the Rays. 6-0 at home and 0-5 on the road. Of course no one remembers the two series we swept them.

Boston-Born
07-02-2008, 08:39 PM
that call was awful, lugo had the bag with his left hand

Celts22
07-02-2008, 10:11 PM
This is just another horrendous performance from the bullpen :pity:

ManRam
07-02-2008, 10:11 PM
Yay Hansen and MDC!

[/end sarcasm]

Throw a strike.

JHG722
07-02-2008, 10:12 PM
I dont understand why Hansen is still on this team...

ManRam
07-02-2008, 10:13 PM
I'm officially on the we need bullpen help bandwagon.

ManRam
07-02-2008, 10:14 PM
I dont understand why Hansen is still on this team...

Because when he can locate, he has ridiculous stuff. His slider is unfair. Too bad he can't get it over the plate. You don't give up on a guy like him. He's been pitching really well lately. Just a bad outing.

KmB728
07-02-2008, 10:19 PM
Yeah i agree now

we need bullpen help

JHG722
07-02-2008, 10:20 PM
Every time I see Hansen, he's pitching like ****. So idk...

ManRam
07-02-2008, 10:26 PM
Well, we got swept again.

I used to love the Rays, and rooted for them whenever they weren't playing the Sox, but I can't now. They are legit.

A sweep of NYY will ease the pain...slightly. Gotta bounce back.

Cronin
07-02-2008, 10:31 PM
Let's pour on the ****ing runs now. **** the Rays.

ManRam
07-02-2008, 10:34 PM
Lugo walks...top of the order.

C'mon Sox!

Greenmonster24
07-02-2008, 10:36 PM
See if Lugo walk can start something in the 8th. Having Coco back is nice but I not sure his defense would save the horrible bullpen. They need to trade for arms. Hansen I really think they should trade him for any value he has. He never going to a good pitcher. He was over hyped.

ManRam
07-02-2008, 10:40 PM
See if Lugo walk can start something in the 8th. Having Coco back is nice but I not sure his defense would save the horrible bullpen. They need to trade for arms. Hansen I really think they should trade him for any value he has. He never going to a good pitcher. He was over hyped.

I disagree about Hansen. I'm holding out hope. Stuff-wise, he's the second best bullpen pitcher we have. However, if he can't harness it, it means nothing. I'm not ready to give up on him, especially since he pitched real well last month as a whole. Let's not overreact. But we do need another arm...since we can't trust MDC or Hansen 100%.

Dusty drives in Lugo.

Is it bad that I'm excited to see JD come to the plate???

PewternGold
07-02-2008, 10:41 PM
Tampa Bay really does annoy me.

But, seriously. Greenmonster, it's no reason to freak out. Settle down a bit.

We've hit a bit of a slump at the beginning of July. Not exactly earth shattering stuff.

What I learned from TB's announcers today was that Garza is a young John Smoltz, but with a better 2 seamer. And that Evan Longoria doesn't have to "take a back seat" to any third basemen in the history of major league baseball.

Guess you didn't bother to listen to their entire conversation. The Rays announcers were relaying what Don Zimmer had said about Longoria's talent in comparison to the likes of Schmidt, Nettles, etc.

Greenmonster24
07-02-2008, 10:57 PM
Ya Mike Lowell
Boy that Barlett hit with 2 outs with bases loaded off Lopez looks big now.

Greenmonster24
07-02-2008, 10:58 PM
Come on Youk

yaowowrocket11
07-02-2008, 11:02 PM
Comeback!

:pray:

Greenmonster24
07-02-2008, 11:02 PM
Come on Varitek. We need a hit here end your slump

Greenmonster24
07-02-2008, 11:03 PM
Bad Job there hit and run with Varitek.

yaowowrocket11
07-02-2008, 11:04 PM
Now, why try a hit and run when the batter can't make contact?

:pity:

Terrible managing.

ManRam
07-02-2008, 11:04 PM
WTF was Tito thinking? Sending Lowell with Varitek, who can't make contact at all lately?

JHG722
07-02-2008, 11:04 PM
Why isn't SOMEONE pinch hitting? Ugh...

Celts22
07-02-2008, 11:05 PM
Really classy TB, playing Sweet Caroline after beating us :rolleyes:

yaowowrocket11
07-02-2008, 11:05 PM
Why am I laughing? Pathetic bullpen and managing today.

:censored:

ManRam
07-02-2008, 11:05 PM
Well, at least all the games were close.

:hide::hide::hide:

On to NYY, and a series I wasn't nearly as excited/worried about until now. Gotta win the next series. Bounce back time.

ManRam
07-02-2008, 11:06 PM
Really classy TB, playing Sweet Caroline after beating us :rolleyes:

Yeah. I thought I heard that...

Oh well. This is like the World Series for them. As much as I hate losing to them, it is good to see a lot of fans in the crowd, and most of them rooting for the Rays. They've finally made it...and we have to worry.

Greenmonster24
07-02-2008, 11:07 PM
God this is aweful. Being swept by the Rays. This team needs a new bullpen. They can't win on the road. The struggles continue. Theo Epstein needs to be on the phone. Varitek needs to be sent to the minors ASAP. He sucks. Hansen needs to go to minors to. Need to trade for 2 relievers. A bat might be needed to as Ortiz is out to August and Manny done crap lately. He went from great to average real fast. Holliday of Colorado would be a welcome addition.

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 11:08 PM
Why the hell does tito keep calling the hit and run with Varitek up. It has not worked once. You don't call that when the guy can't make contact.

CyYoungPapelbon
07-02-2008, 11:08 PM
More pitiful managing by Terry Francona. His loyalty needs to be towards the team, not individual players. He's hurting his team by refusing to pinch hit for our worst hitters like Lugo and Varitek. Varitek has been a ****ing joke for about 150 straight at bats now and he continues to leave a guy hitting .360 glued to the bench. Really inexcuseable.

Even worse, he runs a hit and run that has failed several times recently with one of our slowest baserunners and a guy who is a swing and miss machine these days.

Nice performance by MDC and Hansen today. MDC doesn't cover first base on a grounder where it's clear Youk has no shot at getting the runner himself and it leads to a massive comeback. Brilliant.

I've been a Hansen supporter, but that was sickening tonight. You could tell he was just scared ****less out on the mound. Send him back to Triple-A until he finds his ball sack.

JHG722
07-02-2008, 11:13 PM
Myers for Hansen?

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 11:15 PM
Masterson is going to have to move to the bullpen with Buchholz coming up to start. We also have to trade for another bullpen arm

Tragedy
07-02-2008, 11:16 PM
Why the hell does tito keep calling the hit and run with Varitek up. It has not worked once. You don't call that when the guy can't make contact.
It's widely known that managers will put a hit and run call on while a struggler batter is at the plate to force him to make contact.

Now, as for the 7th inning:

:laugh:

That's seriously my reaction to the bullpen these days. I laugh. I used to get mad, but now I just sat there and laughed. Rather than cheer Delcarmen and Hansen on, my girlfriend and I just sat there guessing when the next hit/ball/something awful would be. It was an absolute joke. Delcarmen, Okajima, and Hansen are, as of right now, A-W-F-U-L. We know that a good bullpen will take you a long way in terms of success, and we're going nowhere real fast with what I've seen during the 6th-8th inning of most games this year.

bosox1899
07-02-2008, 11:17 PM
well i dont even know where to start, this so called slump could easily be turned around if our bullpen didnt suck and our offense stopped making stupid mistakes. as for tonights game wtf was francona doing having mike lowell run with varitek who happens to be 12 for his last 100??? i wish one of the fans would just jump down there and punch francona right in the face for making that decision, first of all varitek shouldnt have even been at the plate in that situation, its ridiculous how francona lets emotion/loyalty interfer with winning a ball game. now we may not have lost this game if Dice K was any good, yes he allowed only 1 run but the dumbass walks 5 or 6 batters and again is only able to go 5 innings and barely got past the 5th. im sure someones gonna respond and say "its only july" or "its a slump every team goes through it" with the latter being true, but at least many of those teams make adjustments to get through the slump, but nope francona leaves varitek in everyday hoping he ll get through this 80 point drop in his average, lugo will stop making errors or stupid baserunning bloopers, delcarmen and hansen may actually throw 2 strikes in a row or manny may actually come through when they need him. 3 and a half games behind the rays and the yankees breathing down our necks, good time to slump huh guys..keep up the good work :yawn:

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 11:21 PM
It's widely known that managers will put a hit and run call on while a struggler batter is at the plate to force him to make contact.



Yes but tito has done this a couple times with tek and it has failed miserably every time. I can understand doing it if the player is hitting into outs but tek is swinging and missing at almost every pitch.
I also do not know why Hansen came in over Aardsma

Tragedy
07-02-2008, 11:21 PM
now we may not have lost this game if Dice K was any good, yes he allowed only 1 run but the dumbass walks 5 or 6 batters and again is only able to go 5 innings and barely got past the 5th.
A pitcher that goes 5 innings and give up a grand total of 1 run should feel confident that his team can get him a win, especially when you're as good as the Red Sox are. Had Matsuzaka lasted 6 innings rather than 7, we just would have run into the same problem that we did tonight, except it would have come in the 8th and not the 7th. So, don't even pin anything on Matsuzaka. While his BB total is outrageous, he is what he is. He gives up very few runs and gets us usually through 5 or 6 innings. I'll take it - And we need to win some of those games.

CyYoungPapelbon
07-02-2008, 11:23 PM
It's widely known that managers will put a hit and run call on while a struggler batter is at the plate to force him to make contact.That's something you do earlier on in the game, not in a 1 run game in the 9th with the tying run on 1st base in a game when you are playing a team you are battling w/for 1st place. Not to mention our slowest runner was on 1st base and a guy who has not been able to make contact in well over a month at the plate.

It was a brutal decision to have Varitek hit over Casey and it was an even more brutal decision to try the hit and run when we've already seen him fail doing it recently and we've seen him be unable to make any contact a bunch of times.

This is also turning into one hell of a long slump for Varitek. Is it really a slump or is he done? He is definitely at the age or past the age when the majority of catchers break down. And with no good free agent catchers available and a farm system with no real catching prospects, this is a huge concern not only for this year but going foward. I'm hoping and even (probably wishfully) think it's just a slump, but I'd be lying if I were saying I wasn't very worried about it.

yaowowrocket11
07-02-2008, 11:24 PM
It's widely known that managers will put a hit and run call on while a struggler batter is at the plate to force him to make contact.

Now, as for the 7th inning:

:laugh:

That's seriously my reaction to the bullpen these days. I laugh. I used to get mad, but now I just sat there and laughed. Rather than cheer Delcarmen and Hansen on, my girlfriend and I just sat there guessing when the next hit/ball/something awful would be. It was an absolute joke. Delcarmen, Okajima, and Hansen are, as of right now, A-W-F-U-L. We know that a good bullpen will take you a long way in terms of success, and we're going nowhere real fast with what I've seen during the 6th-8th inning of most games this year.

I was laughing too, don't worry. Its like one of those crappy corny movies that makes no sense, but its so bad that its funny. But seriously, I understand the struggling batter and hit and run concept, but not when you only have 2 outs to spare. If it was the 7th or 8th inning, maybe, but not the 9th. You need every chance you got, and when a struggling batter is coming to the plate with the game on the line who has only a couple hits in his last 50 or so at bats, its unlikely that he will do something positive for the game. Either pinch hit or don't hit and run.

gcoll
07-02-2008, 11:24 PM
Well, it's obvious that we're gonna try and make a move for some bullpen help at the deadline.

And I understand putting the hit and run on, when a guy is struggling......but not in the 9th inning. If Ellsbury is the guy on first....fine. But Lowell?


3 and a half games behind the rays and the yankees breathing down our necks, good time so slump huh guys..keep up the good work
All things considered, we're in decent shape.

After this 4 game series with the Yanks though....not so sure.


Also. Dice-K....the enigma continues. He looked terrible in the beginning, and then great by the end. Unfortunately he only lasted 5 innings, which hurt quite a bit.

Personally, I would have brought Papelbon in in the 7th, when it was first and third and nobody out. Then hope he gets us through part of the 8th...and then see what happens.

With the game on the line, I want the best bullpen arm on the mound. Saving him for the super-special 9th inning, is kind of a waste imo.

CyYoungPapelbon
07-02-2008, 11:27 PM
Personally, I would have brought Papelbon in in the 7th, when it was first and third and nobody out. Then hope he gets us through part of the 8th...and then see what happens.

With the game on the line, I want the best bullpen arm on the mound. Saving him for the super-special 9th inning, is kind of a waste imo.I couldn't agree more, but I can't fault Francona for that when there's not a single manager in the league who actually does that.

Tragedy
07-02-2008, 11:28 PM
Personally, I would have brought Papelbon in in the 7th, when it was first and third and nobody out. Then hope he gets us through part of the 8th...and then see what happens.
I remember the Sox doing that in the past a bit. I forget the exact quote, but Francona said he'd use Papelbon not exclusively in the 9th, but when he thought he was needed most. The epitome of that was when he domiated the Rangers last year when he came into a huge situation (I forget what it was; Something like bases loaded 1 out, or whatever).

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 11:29 PM
Personally, I would have brought Papelbon in in the 7th, when it was first and third and nobody out. Then hope he gets us through part of the 8th...and then see what happens.

With the game on the line, I want the best bullpen arm on the mound. Saving him for the super-special 9th inning, is kind of a waste imo.

Exactly what I was thinking at the time but unfortunately that will never happen

gcoll
07-02-2008, 11:30 PM
I remember the Sox doing that in the past a bit. I forget the exact quote, but Francona said he'd use Papelbon not exclusively in the 9th, but when he thought he was needed most. The epitome of that was when he domiated the Rangers last year when he came into a huge situation (I forget what it was; Something like bases loaded 1 out, or whatever).

I'm not monday morning quarterbacking or anything either....while it was happening I was calling for that.

The way the closer is used (who is essentially the ace of the bullpen) all over baseball, is kind of stupid.

For example...last year, Papelbon was our best bullpen arm. Okajima was great...but Papelbon was still better. And Okajima was much more important to the success of the bullpen last year, than Papelbon was. That's not right.


Exactly what I was thinking at the time but unfortunately that will never happen
Why not? I don't get it.

First and third..nobody out. We're up by 2. That's the save. That's where the game is saved.

bosox1899
07-02-2008, 11:32 PM
A pitcher that goes 5 innings and give up a grand total of 1 run should feel confident that his team can get him a win, especially when you're as good as the Red Sox are. Had Matsuzaka lasted 6 innings rather than 7, we just would have run into the same problem that we did tonight, except it would have come in the 8th and not the 7th. So, don't even pin anything on Matsuzaka. While his BB total is outrageous, he is what he is. He gives up very few runs and gets us usually through 5 or 6 innings. I'll take it - And we need to win some of those games.

that logic is so flawed its funny, first if dice k got through 6 and then oki came in and got through 7, the 8th would have been different even if delcarmen struggled, bc francona may have gone straight to aardsma since he didnt have to worry about saving any arms for the next inning and at worse he could have broght papelbon in early to at least keep the game in tact. many of our losses have come because of walks and thats what usually starts rallies. the least amount of innings we need to use the bullpen the better, it seems to me that dice k is the only pitcher as of now who struggles to go past 5; beckett, lester, wakefield, masterson and even colon were going at least 6 innings for the most part. the sad part is that dice k missed a couple of starts bc of shoulder stiffness, which is because he throws so many damn pitches in the first 3 innings and is usually going over 100 pitches just to get through 5 and get the win...im not pinning the lost on him, but it definitely would save the bullpen if he could control his pitches better obviously. i just dont see why these pitches struggle to throw strikes, if you cant throw a strike, just pitch to contact, instead of throwing the ball all over the place where the hitter doesnt even need to think about swinging

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 11:33 PM
I'm not monday morning quarterbacking or anything either....while it was happening I was calling for that.

The way the closer is used (who is essentially the ace of the bullpen) all over baseball, is kind of stupid.

For example...last year, Papelbon was our best bullpen arm. Okajima was great...but Papelbon was still better. And Okajima was much more important to the success of the bullpen last year, than Papelbon was. That's not right.


Why not? I don't get it.

First and third..nobody out. We're up by 2. That's the save. That's where the game is saved.

Because for some damn reason no team ever does that.

gcoll
07-02-2008, 11:39 PM
Because for some damn reason no team ever does that.

It's because of the save stat.

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 11:53 PM
The Rays are also extremely hot right now. They are 14-4 since 5/13. I am glad I picked a Rays sweep in the mega competition

Tragedy
07-02-2008, 11:55 PM
The Rays are also extremely hot right now. They are 14-4 since 5/13. I am glad I picked a Rays sweep in the mega competition
I was predicting 5-6 losses in this 7 day week.

Could it seriously be 7 in 7?

-Lavigne43-
07-02-2008, 11:56 PM
We'll be fine against the Yankees. I was very worried about this series though

Towelie
07-03-2008, 09:50 AM
I think the Rays young team is gonna fall bak down to earth in the second half. The pitching is very young and likely will run into some injury problems.

Tragedy
07-03-2008, 10:51 AM
I think the Rays young team is gonna fall bak down to earth in the second half. The pitching is very young and likely will run into some injury problems.
Who here thinks Towelie is planning some sort of Tonya Harding type deal on Shields/Kazmir?

Celts22
07-03-2008, 11:56 AM
Who here thinks Towelie is planning some sort of Tonya Harding type deal on Shields/Kazmir?

:hi5:

PapelbonLester
07-03-2008, 03:14 PM
lol. the first half of the season just finished and EVERYONE is acting like the rays just won the world series. no offence to them but god you have a top 5 pick in 20+ straight seasons. its really about time they started playing better. but i still think they aint winning the division OR the wild card. but they will finish second in the division.... GO RAYS lol