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TmacYao2
06-30-2008, 12:55 PM
Here are the many reasons of why Yao Ming is better than Dwight Howard.

For One, Yao Ming just destroys Dwight Howard when they go up head to head and play each other, here are the stats.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=mingya01&p2=howardw01
So as you see
Yao Ming's Averages against Dwight Howard in his Career are:
24.3 PPG, 9.3 RPG, 1.1 APG, 2.3 BPG, 55% FG,
Dwight Howard's Averages against Yao in his career are
12.0 PPG, 9.9 RPG, 0.9 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44% FG

So as you see, Dwight struggles very often against Yao Ming, and Yao doubles Dwight's averages in points and blocks and is a much better passer and a shooter/scorer.

I'd also like to mention the B.S of Yao not being out of the 1st round and how that does not affect the fact that he is no longer a better player against Dwight Howard.

Dwight Howard played against the Toronto Raptors a very soft interior defense who only has one true Center of Rasho, and that is very hard on him especially since he isn't a "great" defender himself and cannot take him on himself the entire game so they needed Bosh to play on him and Rasho didn't play on him that often anyways. So, as you see that Dwight had an easy matchup against the Raptors, he struggled a lot against the Detroit Pistons, simply because they are too good of a defensivey team so they really gave Dwight a hard time even though they played him 1 on 1 because Dwight is not that skilled of a player.

Now i'd like to mention that Yao is not a choker, because he has simply done pretty good in the playoffs his teammates just have not helped win the series, same with T-Mac,
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=hou&seasonYear=2007&season=3&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=0
Here are the Stats Yao averaged against the Jazz last year:
25.1 PPG, 10.3 RPG, 44 FG%, although the FG% doesn't look good, he did help win Game 1 against the Jazz, because he was the only player scoring at all in that game, T-Mac didn't get it going then.
Many people said that yao was the reason why they lost to the Jazz because of his defensive problems which is not the case, because the Rockets failed to make it out of the 1st round this year with a better bench and Yao out, that obviously showed that Yao is very useful and a very very good interior scorer. Boozer actually had his worst playoffs series stats against the Rockets then he did against any other team that year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=uth&seasonYear=2007&season=3&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=10
Boozer's Stats against the Rockets:
24.6 PPG, 11 RPG, 50 FG%
Boozer's stats against the Warriors:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=uth&seasonYear=2007&season=3&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=9
24.2 PPG, 14 RPG, 60 FG%
Boozer's Stats against the Spurs
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=uth&seasonYear=2007&season=3&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=24
21.4 PPG, 12 RPG, 52.9 FG%

So as you say that Boozer shot the worse against the rockets and Yao and that Yao is not a bad defender he just didn't defend him as good as other possibly players possibly could but he really did dominate against other teams like the Spurs and the Warriors

Now, I'd like to show you the stats that Yao has had against the Mavericks and the Lakers which were his other 2 playoff teams he has played against
Yao's stats vs the Mavericks
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=Hou&seasonYear=2005&season=3&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=0
21.4 PPG, 7.7 RPG, 65 FG%
Yao's Stats vs Lakers ( With Steve Francis)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=hou&seasonYear=2004&season=3&sort=pts&order=true&avg=pg&split=0
15 PPG, 7.4 RPG, 45.6 FG%
You must remember that Yao played against the prime shaq that year and that Yao also dominated Shaq in the regular season before that as well.

I'd now also like to mention that Yao has much much much more skill than Dwight will probably ever have in his entire career, Yao can be relyed on in the high post or low post, Dwight? Not so much, I def would not trust his passing ability or his shooting ability to play in the high post... Yao you can def trust him on there because he can do either one and he is very good and underrated at passing.

Now for Defense, all of you do realize that Dwight is a better OVERALL defender, which i agree with however, I do not believe that Dwight is a better Man-to-man defender which is different because as a big man you would rather have an interior shot blocker all over the place, but if you are a wing player you would rather have a man-to-man perimeter guy.
The Rockets are 2nd Place in FG% allowed, behind the Boston Celtics, and that is def not a conscience that Yao is also the center and that he sucks on defense, because that is completely wrong, Yao is an above average defender and possibly elite if he weren't hurt all the time. There have been many quotes saying that Yao is a very good defender by Hakeem Olajuwon, Dikembe Mutombo and Phil Jackson here they are.

http://www.yaomingmania.com/blog/2007/05/22/translated-interviews-of-yao-and-hakeem-from-todays-workout
"Yao Ming is very, very intelligent and also very diligent. He is not only good in offense, he is also outstanding in defense. There had not been in the whole NBA history to have such a big guy like him that is so balanced in both offense and defense."
http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?rls=Houston%20Rockets&tid=2210260&lid=10
"If I was Curry, I would not challenge Yao," Rockets center Dikembe Mutombo said. "I would not challenge Yao and get that ball blocked. That was just embarrassing. He was trying to get himself on Sportscenter." ?Deke

Tenacious defense

Yao Ming switched to defend New Orleans forward David West late in the game and forced West to shoot over him.

West missed all eight of his shots when defended by Yao.
"I tried to keep him from scoring," Yao said. "You cannot allow him to keep making shots and shots and shots. When I started guarding him he wasn't able to get the pick-and-roll in the post. He had to shoot from further (out).

http://www.82games.com/nichols2.htm
Here are stats that also prove that Yao is a very good defender himself as well.

Now i'd like to mention the +/- of the defense of Yao and Dwight
http://www.82games.com/0708/07HOU21D.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07ORL16D.HTM
When Yao is off the court they are -0.8 Net which means they are worse with him off the court
and for Dwight when he is off the court they are +3.4 net which means they are better w/o him on the court.

Those stats also counted when Yao was injuried and not playing at all with Deke starting. http://www.82games.com/0708/07HOU21A.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07ORL16A.HTM

Now i'd also like to mention more of the offense, as you see
Yao attempts 48% Jumpers and makes it 38% of the time, shoots 39% close shots and makes it 55% of the time
For Dwight, he attempts 16% jumpers and makes it 24% of the time which is very low and when he shoots 52% close shots and makes it only 52% of the time, close shots are usually like 5 ft and within or maybe 6 ft, but as you see Yao is a better finisher when it comes to layups and creating his own shots which shows that Yao is a better scorer by alot

Now here are the clutch stats
http://www.82games.com/0708/07HOU21E.HTM
http://www.82games.com/0708/07ORL16E.HTM
Yao scores 36.8 PPG per48 minute in clutch time which are usually 4th quarter or OT which is very good, he also has a better rebounding rate then dwight in the clutch
Dwight scores, 13.8 PPG per48 minute in the clutch so his stats are clearly non-existant, so as you see Yao is also a much more clutch player than Dwight Howard is.

So as you see Yao > Dwight

Ghouse
06-30-2008, 12:55 PM
Good for you, I would still pick Dwight to build my team around.

TmacYao2
06-30-2008, 01:03 PM
Good for you, I would still pick Dwight to build my team around.
Well it seems like you can't read but it says Right Now who is better, Not build your team around

Seems like you either needs glasses or summer school

_Sn1P3r_
06-30-2008, 01:16 PM
I say Yao. Just more moves in the post.

TmacYao2
06-30-2008, 01:19 PM
I say Yao. Just more moves in the post.
Yeh that and better passer and more of a pure scorer anyways

sanfranfan1210
06-30-2008, 06:19 PM
Yao

JordansBulls
06-30-2008, 07:04 PM
How many times are you going to start this same thread?

This is like the 4th one in the last month or so between these two players.

Wade3
06-30-2008, 07:26 PM
Dwight is the better player by far he's more aggressive down low

managainstboys
07-03-2008, 12:03 AM
No contest this is Dwight easily.

lovingTO
07-03-2008, 12:26 AM
buddy has a boner for yoa ming

BigEric
07-03-2008, 03:58 PM
Dwight needs to polish up on his jumpshot and overall game.

Arenaslover
07-04-2008, 08:36 PM
Yao is the best center in the league.

AgentViet
07-04-2008, 09:00 PM
Dwight Howard is the most dominant C in the league. If he develops a better shooting game, he'll be one of the most dominant players this league has ever seen (I think there's a good chance he can with his good work ethic, youth and potential). I'll take Dwight Howard any day easily.