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chicagowhitesox
06-30-2008, 11:52 AM
I was just wondering who everyone thought got the better end of the Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez trade.

Swish-Cab-Ob
06-30-2008, 12:16 PM
This is damn close, the Reds got arguably the best pitcher this year and the Rangers the best hitter this year. I really dont know, but what a great trade for both sides.

Synyster89
06-30-2008, 12:35 PM
pitching>hitting

volquez>hamilton

reds got the better end of the deal...but im pretty sure both teams would do it again in a second with a AL MVP candidate and an NL Cy Young candidate

vigilantex69
06-30-2008, 12:52 PM
I posted this a hundred times over in the Rangers Forum. Pitching outweighs hitting obviously and considering the fact that the Rangers have the WORST pitching in baseball it was very obvious that the Reds won the deal. The Rangers would take this trade back in a heartbeat had they known that Volquez would come up this strong. The Rangers can take any hitter and make them an all-star, look at Milton Bradley! Pitching is another story altogether. Also, Volquez is signed cheap for the next few years. Hamilton is going to need an extension and will probably command around 8 mill a year easy.

younggunn113
06-30-2008, 12:54 PM
This really happened? I havent seen any articles or anything on it?

younggunn113
06-30-2008, 12:58 PM
haha god im dumb, i read it wrong, I thought they got traded back for each other hahaha, long day at work sorry guys

Synyster89
06-30-2008, 01:13 PM
haha god im dumb, i read it wrong, I thought they got traded back for each other hahaha, long day at work sorry guys

haha yeah i guess we all have those days...

blams
06-30-2008, 01:20 PM
in my opinion, not even close.

volquez is out there 1 of 5

cwilson21
06-30-2008, 01:30 PM
I'd rather take an ace like Volquez than an great-hitting OF'er like Hamilton. Considering the Reds have Bruce right now, they'll forget about having Hamilton in Cincy.

MJRiley26
06-30-2008, 01:32 PM
The Reds trade Hamilton and get a pleasant surprise in Volquez who could not find a groove in Texas. Hamilton's production through 80 games this season is also a pleasant surprise, through 90 games last season he had 19HR and 47RBI, while he has 19HR through the midpoint of the 2008 season with 34 more RBIs. Volquez and Hamilton are candidates for the Cy Young and MVP respectively, yet the Reds got the Cy Young candidate and a call-up for impressive OF Jay Bruce.

Neely
06-30-2008, 02:48 PM
haha god im dumb, i read it wrong, I thought they got traded back for each other hahaha, long day at work sorry guys

Haha. It's all good. Work does that to me too.

I would have to say Cincinnati got the better end of this deal because it's harder to come by good pitching than it is a good hitting.

Should've had an equal (or fair trade) option for people who think it is pretty darn close.

phillyphan4ever
06-30-2008, 02:54 PM
volquez plays every 5 days, hamilton plays everyday, so i gotta gowith the rangers, but what a great trade for both teams

nyyfan4life
06-30-2008, 03:07 PM
Imagine Texas if they still had Edison Volquez, Chris Young and John Danks.

Ragun
06-30-2008, 03:27 PM
texas lost heir deal. their dumb. they are struggling with pitching and have enough offense already...they shouldnt have trade volquez...

torontosports10
06-30-2008, 03:33 PM
put both teams win in the poll cause everybody that knows baseball should vote for that cause it had done wounders for both teams.

Allabouthephils
06-30-2008, 03:43 PM
but both teams win in the poll cause everybody that knows baseball should vote for that cause it had done wounders for both teams.

exactly.... The reds scored huge with Volquez... they have their rotation set for the next half a decade or more with Harang, Volquez, Bailey and Cueto... Hamilton is great but pitching gets you to the WS while hitting gets you to the playoffs... Yankees, Phillies, Rockies, the list goes on and on....

Red Sox anyone ???

Volquez's arm is something to be in awe of... That changeup is unreal...

The Rangers thought that Volquez was going to be good, but not this good...

Ragun
06-30-2008, 04:20 PM
put both teams win in the poll cause everybody that knows baseball should vote for that cause it had done wounders for both teams.

Texas needs Volquez more than Hamilton.

Buckwheat
06-30-2008, 04:31 PM
Cincy..

Pitching > Hitting

Plus, they got another young gun named Danny Herrera

WOwolfOL
06-30-2008, 05:06 PM
Hard to call.

Both teams still suck.

Volquez has to be more than a one [possibly half] year wonder, also.

Hamilton showed last year what he could do if healthy.

IndiansFan337
06-30-2008, 05:41 PM
Honestly, I think Volquez needed a change of scenery to break out.

So getting Hamilton for him was a great move, even though Texas needs to pitching much more than the offense.

mortgageman
06-30-2008, 06:23 PM
but Texas could sure use the pitching as always Maybe the Reds got the better end of the deal but Dusty will throw his arm out (Mark Prior,Kerry Wood)

L-MiLLZ44
06-30-2008, 06:40 PM
an ace is more important than a outfielder considering their are a lot of productive outfielders but very limited aces

H-MYK
06-30-2008, 08:14 PM
Hard decision but I'm going to have to go with the Reds.

Joba Rules!!
06-30-2008, 08:16 PM
Who knows if Hamilton or Volquez would be doing this if they were with their former teams. So the question isn't really answerable.

H-MYK
06-30-2008, 08:19 PM
^^ This is true, this is why it's a tough decision to make between which team is benefiting from the trade. Who knows what the outcome would be if the trade never existed.

Scheck
06-30-2008, 08:46 PM
I believe the Reds won the trade, because a great pitcher is harder to find than a great hitter

vladdy#27
07-01-2008, 02:17 AM
ITs pretty much even, pitching is better than hitting but then Hamilton plays every day and Volquez pitches every 5 days

iam brett favre
07-01-2008, 02:26 AM
Imagine Texas if they still had Edison Volquez, Chris Young and John Danks.

And Carlos Lee, A-Rod..

vladdy#27
07-01-2008, 05:12 AM
And Carlos Lee, A-Rod..

and Mark Texiera

Cursed Rangers
07-01-2008, 08:34 AM
Imagine Texas if they still had Edison Volquez, Chris Young and John Danks.

Imagine this (all former Rangers):


Pitcher Record ERA Salary

Edinson Volquez 9-2; 1.64 ERA (1st in MLB) --- $380,000

Justin Duchscherer 6-4; 2.20 ERA (3rd in MLB) --- $1,200,000

John Danks 4-4; 2.90 ERA (13th in MLB) --- $380,000

Armando Galarraga 6-2; 3.31 ERA (23rd in MLB) --- $380,000

Chris Young 4-4; 4.50 ERA --- $2,650,000

The Schmooze
07-01-2008, 08:50 AM
you would think the Rangers need pitching more than the Reds, but this trade is as even as it is wonderful

Yankees338
07-01-2008, 02:31 PM
Hmmm...I don't really know what to go with here. I think it's much harder for a pitcher to retain their dominance than it is for a hitter to do so.

Also, pitcher's are always at a much higher risk for injury, especially severe ones, so I'd probably take a guy who will contribute 150 games out of the year over a guy who will contribute about 35 games per year.

pavel96
07-01-2008, 03:17 PM
most dominant pitcher in b-ball this year even w/ the one or 2 bad starts

The A Team
07-02-2008, 10:54 AM
If you look at the actual deal in a vacuum it's tough to say that one side bested the other. However when you take a step back and look at team needs it's plainly apparent that the Reds won out. They still have problems with having too many good outfielders with Dunn, Bruce, Griffey, and Freel. They also still have Drew Stubbs waiting in the wings for a year or 2 down the road. There's simply no room for Hamilton in that lineup right now. Texas on the other hand has been struggling along with a motley crew of castoffs for a rotation, although it's their bullpen that should really take the heat.

torontocubs
07-02-2008, 12:06 PM
Who knows really. Isn't it way too early to tell. I know it's fun trying to analyze the deal at this point, but Frankly, Volquez could be one and done like Dontrelle Willis, or pan out to be Pedro Martinez (by the way if you ever see a split screen slow motion of their windups its so sick, they are identical). And Hamilton could very easily go on to be next best hitter of this decade and the next, or he could wind up back at Betty Ford (I know that's terrible, but it is true). So I think we need to wait this out a bit before we make any decisive decisions that one team got a benefit over the other.

At this point, the trade is absolutely Dead Even