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Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 12:58 PM
This is simple.

Joba
Longoria
Ellsbury

Vote now :up:

Not to this point, I'm talking about who is going to be ROY.

DaSox_05
06-29-2008, 01:16 PM
Not to sound to homerish but is Carlos Quentin considered a rookie? If he is not Alexei Ramirez has been real solid this year especially as of late since he started the season off slow. His stats are...

.300 Avg | 5 HR | 24 Rbi's | 3 SB's | .324 OBP | .450 SLG | .774 OPS |

I know his numbers are probably as good as some other rookies but he has been a real surprise considering its his first year in the big leagues. His defense has been out standing at 3 positions CF, SS and 2B.

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 01:18 PM
Not to sound to homerish but is Carlos Quentin considered a rookie? If he is not Alexei Ramirez has been real solid this year especially as of late since he started the season off slow. His stats are...

.300 Avg | 5 HR | 24 Rbi's | 3 SB's | .324 OBP | .450 SLG | .774 OPS |

I know his numbers are probably as good as some other rookies but he has been a real surprise considering its his first year in the big leagues. His defense has been out standing at 3 positions CF, SS and 2B.

Quentin isn't a rookie.

Are you serious? Longoria rapes him offensively.(Ramirez that is)

nyyfan4life
06-29-2008, 01:19 PM
Longoria. I think he will finish the year with very good numbers.

JHG722
06-29-2008, 01:30 PM
I'd like to be a homer, but Longoria is simply beating Jacoby in every category that matters.

Jimmy3702
06-29-2008, 01:34 PM
Chamberlin shouldnt even be an option as he hasnt pitched that great as a starter.

vince wilfort
06-29-2008, 01:41 PM
Longoria is winning so far. Pretty much the same OBP as Ellsbury and has been hitting for great power.

GrkGawdofWalkz
06-29-2008, 01:44 PM
Longoria is easily the ROY at this said point. His numbers are a big reason why the Rays are in second place.

ThisIsTheYear
06-29-2008, 01:50 PM
Longoria, by far.

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 01:56 PM
Chamberlin shouldnt even be an option as he hasnt pitched that great as a starter.

Is that a joke?

ShinobiNYC
06-29-2008, 02:04 PM
Chamberlin shouldnt even be an option as he hasnt pitched that great as a starter.

So going 1-0 and have a 1.89 ERA in 5 starts suck now? News to me.

Brendan
06-29-2008, 02:09 PM
Although Longoria has been amazing so far, i voted for Ellsbury.

He is going to finish in 1st in stolen bases, he is going to have a ridiculouse OBP, higher than Longoria's when the season is over, and the team matters to me too... If for some reason the Rays just collapse, then Longoria will as well. Ellsbury is on the Red Sox who will not collapse, will stay on top of the AL, and he will always have hot hitters behind him in the lineup so he will see pitches. Taking nothing away from Longoria cuz he is a special talent and is going to be amazing for many years but im going to say that Ellsbury wins it when its over

Iggy Stiggy
06-29-2008, 02:26 PM
Longoria easily. IMO Joba is overrated. Longoria has been lighting it up. A big reason why The Rays are much better than the Yankees.

YankeeFan28
06-29-2008, 02:47 PM
Being overrated isn't a real reason as to why you shouldn't be in the running for an award. It's a reason that makes you feel better at the end of the day.

MelkyNYY
06-29-2008, 02:50 PM
Joba or Evan. Joba might make a late push and win it if he wins 10-15 games.

Ragun
06-29-2008, 03:07 PM
oops can someone change my vote to Longoria?

StootS
06-29-2008, 04:28 PM
Evan gets my vote.

GrinderBall41
06-29-2008, 04:45 PM
Not to sound to homerish but is Carlos Quentin considered a rookie? If he is not Alexei Ramirez has been real solid this year especially as of late since he started the season off slow. His stats are...

.300 Avg | 5 HR | 24 Rbi's | 3 SB's | .324 OBP | .450 SLG | .774 OPS |

I know his numbers are probably as good as some other rookies but he has been a real surprise considering its his first year in the big leagues. His defense has been out standing at 3 positions CF, SS and 2B.

Absolutely he at least deserves a spot in the poll.

PapelbonLester
06-29-2008, 04:52 PM
Longoria or Jacoby. i would love for sox to have 2 straight but the rays are playing there best baseball EVER and longoria is a big part of that.

Jibonnie125
06-29-2008, 04:54 PM
Definitely Longoria, look at his stat line. Plus he makes his team way better, a winning team for that matter. Without Ellsbury they'd still be one of the best teams, though he has done a lot for the team.

bosox3431
06-29-2008, 04:54 PM
As much as I love Ellsbury, Longoria better win if things stay the same. Yea Ellsbury will have a ton of steals, but Im not a big fan of them, and to me 60-70 steals dont mean much. Thats just me though. Not to mention Ellsbury only has a 94 OPS+ to Longoria's 134. Anyone who votes for Ellsbury over Longoria needs to learn baseball

blams
06-29-2008, 04:57 PM
my pick is joba.

alexei ramirez should at least be on the poll though, even though he is MOST DEFINITELY not the roy imo.

but he should at least be on the poll, a solid hitter, Great fielder.

JHG722
06-29-2008, 05:01 PM
my pick is joba.

Why?

ShinobiNYC
06-29-2008, 05:14 PM
Why?
If he ends up with stats simliar to those he has now: 2.03 ERA, 56 Ks in 48 IPs then yes he should be in contention. My vote is Longoria btw.

YankeeFan28
06-29-2008, 05:16 PM
Why?

Just for Philly fans like yourself :D


VORP
Longoria 18.7
Chamberlain 15.7
Ellsbury 14.5


That's where they stand in terms of VORP as of saturday.

But this is Longoria's award to lose.

JHG722
06-29-2008, 05:17 PM
If he ends up with stats simliar to those he has now: 2.03 ERA, 56 Ks in 48 IPs then yes he should be in contention. My vote is Longoria btw.

I didn't say he shouldn't, but I dont see a reason he should be the AL ROY over Longoria.

NYMetros
06-29-2008, 05:37 PM
Longoria will win it IMO. He is on a tear this year. Ellsbury's stats aren't great. Joba has a shot at it, but he will need to catch fire.

JHG722
06-29-2008, 05:42 PM
Just for Philly fans like yourself :D


VORP
Longoria 18.7
Chamberlain 15.7
Ellsbury 14.5


That's where they stand in terms of VORP as of saturday.

But this is Longoria's award to lose.

Philly/Sox fan ;)

torontosports10
06-29-2008, 05:45 PM
Longoria

crowdawg239
06-29-2008, 05:57 PM
I voted Joba, maybe kind of homerish, but I feel like he could really catch fire and big a huge reason the Yankees make a push for the playoffs, winning possibly 15 games or so.

-Lavigne43-
06-29-2008, 05:59 PM
Jim Johnson should at least be considered.

Cubsjunkie
06-29-2008, 06:06 PM
Longoria. The series he played versus the Cubs, he showed why he was so highly touted. I still can't believe the play he made on Reed Johnson to end the game... He's going to be a phenomenal player.

lincecum=future
06-29-2008, 06:15 PM
I'd have to go with Longoria. I also think David Murphy should be on this poll.

ShinobiNYC
06-29-2008, 07:03 PM
I didn't say he shouldn't, but I dont see a reason he should be the AL ROY over Longoria.

You never know what can happen in the next 4 months...remember Liriano in 2006 when he started in the pen then went crazy as a starter in the 2nd half?

sanfranfan1210
06-29-2008, 08:16 PM
Definitely Longoria

nyyfan4life
06-29-2008, 08:18 PM
Greg Smith should also be on the poll or atleast be mentioned. He has been very solid for the A's.

mattz1212
06-29-2008, 09:04 PM
What is this poll trying to say? That my preseason pick of Daric Barton isn't looking that good? :D

My top 5 looks like:
1. Evan Longoria
2. Jacoby Ellsbury
3. David Murphy
4. Joba Chamberlain
5. Jim Johnson/Armando Galarraga

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 09:06 PM
What is this poll trying to say? That my preseason pick of Daric Barton isn't looking that good? :D

My top 5 looks like:
1. Evan Longoria
2. Jacoby Ellsbury
3. David Murphy
4. Joba Chamberlain
5. Jim Johnson/Armando Galarraga

I'm just curious. Statistically, can you back up having Murphy over Joba or is it just the fact that he's a Yankee.

mattz1212
06-29-2008, 09:23 PM
I'm just curious. Statistically, can you back up having Murphy over Joba or is it just the fact that he's a Yankee.

Statisitically I could probably put Jim Johnson over Joba, but I didn't because I knew Yankees fans would get pissed. The only thing Joba really has over Johnson is K's and K:BB. In close to the same amount of innings, Johnson blows Joba away in WHIP and ERA. I'm sorry but I just don't value the work of somebody who has been a reliever most of the season over a productive OFer who has helped turn a club around and solidly slugging 2nd in the AL for rookies, give Joba more than one outing into the 7th and then I'll move him up, if he continues to be productive as a starter he'll easily get heavy consideration. I would give a statistical comparsion but I really don't know how you do so between a RP and OFer without it being opinionative anyway.

ShinobiNYC
06-29-2008, 09:25 PM
This is Murphy's 3rd season i believe Is he still ROY eligible?

kpaul_nyc
06-29-2008, 09:26 PM
Statisitically I could probably put Jim Johnson over Joba, but I didn't because I knew Yankees fans would get pissed. The only thing Joba really has over Johnson is K's and K:BB. In close to the same amount of innings, Johnson blows Joba away in WHIP and ERA. I'm sorry but I just don't value the work of somebody who has been a reliever most of the season over a productive OFer who has helped turn a club around and solidly slugging 2nd in the AL for rookies, give Joba more than one outing into the 7th and then I'll move him up, if he continues to be productive as a starter he'll easily get heavy consideration. I would give a statistical comparsion but I really don't know how you do so between a RP and OFer without it being opinionative anyway.
That sounded really smooth yet cold.
I vote Longoria. Joba may finish second---he's actually done really well as a starter (homer-ish?)

ShinobiNYC
06-29-2008, 09:28 PM
Statisitically I could probably put Jim Johnson over Joba, but I didn't because I knew Yankees fans would get pissed. The only thing Joba really has over Johnson is K's and K:BB. In close to the same amount of innings, Johnson blows Joba away in WHIP and ERA. I'm sorry but I just don't value the work of somebody who has been a reliever most of the season over a productive OFer who has helped turn a club around and solidly slugging 2nd in the AL for rookies, give Joba more than one outing into the 7th and then I'll move him up, if he continues to be productive as a starter he'll easily get heavy consideration. I would give a statistical comparsion but I really don't know how you do so between a RP and OFer without it being opinionative anyway.

Right now Joba is not even in the top 3, but he showed signs of being a great starter but that's in a small portion. In 5 starts he has a 1-0 record with a 1.89 ERA. If he can reach the 12-13 wins(he is at 2 now) then he may have case.
Just to make a comparison: Liriano finished 2nd in the ROY in 2006 with a 12-3 record and a 2.16 ERA.

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 09:31 PM
Statisitically I could probably put Jim Johnson over Joba, but I didn't because I knew Yankees fans would get pissed. The only thing Joba really has over Johnson is K's and K:BB. In close to the same amount of innings, Johnson blows Joba away in WHIP and ERA. I'm sorry but I just don't value the work of somebody who has been a reliever most of the season over a productive OFer who has helped turn a club around and solidly slugging 2nd in the AL for rookies, give Joba more than one outing into the 7th and then I'll move him up, if he continues to be productive as a starter he'll easily get heavy consideration. I would give a statistical comparsion but I really don't know how you do so between a RP and OFer without it being opinionative anyway.

Who do you think has a chance of keeping up their success. Joba or Johnson? It isn't like Johnson has dominating stuff and it shows in his low K rate. Murphy has an OPS+ of 104....average. It doesn't really matter though since Longoria will be the clear front-runner offensively.

mattz1212
06-29-2008, 09:31 PM
Right now Joba is not even in the top 3, but he showed signs of being a great starter but that's in a small portion. In 5 starts he has a 1-0 record with a 1.89 ERA. If he can reach the 12-13 wins(he is at 2 now) then he may have case.
Just to make a comparison: Liriano finished 2nd in the ROY in 2006 with a 12-3 record and a 2.16 ERA.

I missed the "going to be" I thought it was right now :pity:

By the end of the season Joba will be top 3 if not top 2, my mistake. Joba Rules!! feel free to tear me apart. I need to learn to "read the motha ****ing thread, before I motha ****ing post".

ShinobiNYC
06-29-2008, 09:35 PM
I missed the "going to be" I thought it was right now :pity:

By the end of the season Joba will be top 3 if not top 2, my mistake. Joba Rules!! feel free to tear me apart. I need to learn to "read the motha ****ing thread, before I motha ****ing post".

As long as you enjoy watching Carlton as much as I do, no problem :D

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 09:36 PM
I missed the "going to be" I thought it was right now :pity:

By the end of the season Joba will be top 3 if not top 2, my mistake. Joba Rules!! feel free to tear me apart. I need to learn to "read the motha ****ing thread, before I motha ****ing post".

I forgot to mention I'm Gahandi so don't worry about it. You'll be forgiven in return for your Carlton sig.

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 09:42 PM
I want to hear some reasoning as to why people are picking Jacoby over Longoria.

Longoria-


Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
+--------------+---+----+----+----+---+--+---+----+---+--+---+---+-----+-----+-----+----+----+---+---+---+---+---+
2008 22 TBR AL 70 255 41 69 20 1 15 47 3 0 30 67 .271 .341 .533 134 136 0 7 2 1 5


Ellsbury-


Year Ag Tm Lg G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+ TB SH SF IBB HBP GDP
2008 24 BOS AL 74 261 54 71 8 4 5 24 34 4 29 39 .272 .348 .391 94 102 2 3 2 3 1


Now that the numbers are here you can see that yeah they have almost identical AVG and OBP, but then look at the SLG% (.533 to .391) and the adjusted OPS (134 to 94) That's a huge drop. A 94 OPS+ is below average for god's sake.

Also, I think we can all say Longoria is a much bigger part of the rays than Jacoby is to the Sox.

mattz1212
06-29-2008, 09:42 PM
I forgot to mention I'm Gahandi so don't worry about it. You'll be forgiven in return for your Carlton sig.

I hate never being forgiven, but I'll guess I'll have to live with it this time :p






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Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 09:45 PM
I hate never being forgiven, but I'll guess I'll have to live with it this time :p






:hide:

You will suffer :mad:

church08
06-29-2008, 10:09 PM
I voted for Longoria, but it's not that much of a run away. Jacoby has more in hits, runs sb's and has much less k's. As a leadoff hitter he is having a good season. I don't see Joba getting more than 10 wins and that isn't enough to have him win ROY, even if he keeps up his strikout rate

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 10:11 PM
I voted for Longoria, but it's not that much of a run away. Jacoby has more in hits, runs sb's and has much less k's. As a leadoff hitter he is having a good season. I don't see Joba getting more than 10 wins and that isn't enough to have him win ROY, even if he keeps up his strikout rate

I'm pretty sick of people using wins as the biggest stat to judge a pitcher.

hammerinhank
06-29-2008, 10:41 PM
IMO David Murphy should be considered a top AL rookie. Below is my order.

Longoria
D Murphy
Joba
Ellsbury

Joba Rules!!
06-29-2008, 10:44 PM
IMO David Murphy should be considered a top AL rookie. Below is my order.

Longoria
D Murphy
Joba
Ellsbury

He has a decent SLG, but beyond that he's pretty mediocre. He has a horrid OBP and an average OPS+.

hammerinhank
06-29-2008, 10:54 PM
He has a decent SLG, but beyond that he's pretty mediocre. He has a horrid OBP and an average OPS+.

He has a better avg. and OPS+ then Ellsbury, thought Ellsbury's OPS+ is not that important. I just think he is the 2nd best offensive rookie. Im not sure how the year will pan out and Murphy may fall off but I still think he deserves to be in the running or atleast talked about when discussing potential ROY.

By end of year IMO it will be between Longoria/Joba... Ellsbury is a good player but Im sorry SB should not win you ROY...

Kinsm
06-30-2008, 12:03 AM
Galarraga should definitely be in this poll (as well as others...Murphy, Ramirez, Masterson, Smith, Johnson, Blackburn, Barton). If Det manages to get back in it and win their division or wc, alot of that will probably be on his shoulders every 5th day.

At least make the poll legit and put on all of the guys who qualify for the award, it doesn't matter if you think they have a shot at it or not. Let the voters back those assumptions.

btwice80
06-30-2008, 07:37 AM
no love for alexei ramirez?

Chaotic
06-30-2008, 08:48 AM
Longoria

I can remember early in the season when he just looked bad, but he's since been a very well rounded player. I say it's his.

deeznutz
06-30-2008, 09:39 AM
As of right now Longoria has to be the front runner but it'll come down to him and Joba...depending on how they do from here on out....

McJoe
06-30-2008, 09:59 AM
my pick is joba.

alexei ramirez should at least be on the poll though, even though he is MOST DEFINITELY not the roy imo.

but he should at least be on the poll, a solid hitter, Great fielder.

if he isnt gonna win it then why waste our time and put him on the poll

Jim Johnson has been good but he isnt gonna win it either so why put him on hte poll either

its definitely Evans award to lose...Joba will have to be un****INGbelievable to get this award

sboyajian
06-30-2008, 10:20 AM
As much as I love Ellsbury, Longoria better win if things stay the same. Yea Ellsbury will have a ton of steals, but Im not a big fan of them, and to me 60-70 steals dont mean much. Thats just me though. Not to mention Ellsbury only has a 94 OPS+ to Longoria's 134. Anyone who votes for Ellsbury over Longoria needs to learn baseball

I'm very tired of this line of thinking. People seem to think the only offensive category that matters anymore is OPS+. It has become the determining factor for many as to who is better.

To say steals don't matter is ludicrous. If he ends up with 70 steals that means he put himself that much closer to the bag 70 times. If 40 of those steals came from 1st to 2nd, he put himself in scoring position 40 times more than someone would have been.

Steals = Runs.

That being said, Longoria has an overall stronger line for his ROY bid and will likely, and if he continues, deservingly earn it.

pavel96
06-30-2008, 10:27 AM
longoria, ellsbury did good last year, hes showin his true colors now

L-MiLLZ44
06-30-2008, 06:50 PM
longoria

H-MYK
06-30-2008, 08:10 PM
Longoria

CarniifeX
06-30-2008, 11:46 PM
Definitely not Joba, there's nothing special about him. Most likely Jacoby or David Murphy of Texas.

goldglove212
07-01-2008, 12:27 AM
David Murphy is a solid pick hes having a nice year so far

Epic89
07-01-2008, 12:49 AM
Longoria, by far.

Ditto.

However, Armando Galarraga has to at least be in the conversation

Joba Rules!!
07-01-2008, 01:01 AM
Definitely not Joba, there's nothing special about him. Most likely Jacoby or David Murphy of Texas.

Wow, and exactly what is so special about Jacoby and Murphy then? I find it funny how you don't even mention Longoria too, you certainly know your stuff.

vladdy#27
07-01-2008, 01:59 AM
Evan Longoria

iam brett favre
07-01-2008, 02:02 AM
Joba. Not even being a homer. Joba.