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southerndodgerf
06-25-2008, 01:40 PM
Though Simers is a blowhard, he does a pretty good job of painting life with Ned.


They're not-so-artful Dodgers when it comes to a deal
From trades to free-agent signings, a look back is far from a good thing but one major front-office voice disagrees.
June 25, 2008


You might want to hold your nose.

Angel Berroa. Mark Sweeney. Scott Proctor. Thomas Perez. Brady Clark. Marlon Anderson. Julio Lugo. Greg Maddux. Wilson Betemit. Elmer Dessens. B.J. LaMura. Mark Hendrickson. Toby Hall. Ben Kozlowski. Danys Baez. Jae Sao. Tim Hamulack. Lance Carter. And Andre Ethier for Milton Bradley -- Bradley tied with Alex Rodriguez early Tuesday for the best batting average in the American League.

And now comes word Ned Colletti will be in meetings all afternoon, maybe the scariest news a Dodgers fan can hear these days if he's in there working on another trade before the July 31 deadline.

Look at the list of what Colletti has acquired since being hired in late 2005, and that doesn't include Esteban Loaiza plucked off waivers for $7 million, or the free-agent disasters.

"Hey, I was right there with Brian Cashman when we brought in Carl Pavano," said Dodgers Manager Joe Torre in trying to defend Colletti, and isn't that encouraging news, two guys now with no eye for talent putting their heads together to plot the Dodgers' future.

The phone rings, and it's Colletti. "Please, please, no more trades," I begin, while suggesting a vacation that might take him overseas for the next few weeks.

"I've never been to Europe," he says, and I think we could get a collection going and make that happen.

"Some of those are minor league deals and I had nothing to do with them," Colletti protests when I mention his trading track record, and while I find it odd the Dodgers' GM doesn't have final approval of all deals, he adds, "The player development people made five or six of those."

So we go over the list, and he distances himself from three of the stiffs.

"You're looking in hindsight, so your vision is perfect," says Colletti, who apparently works with blinders on, the only logical explanation for some of these deals. "Who has come back to haunt us?"

A better question, I said, "is who did you acquire who really improved the team?"

"Ethier helped us," he says. "Maddux helped us, Lugo gave us some support, Anderson certainly helped us in September of '06, and Hendrickson pitched. You do have to have players who pitch and play in the games."

No question Hendrickson made it possible for the Dodgers to put nine men on the field on the days he got batted around.

"Most fans probably have you pegged as a GM who hasn't done a very good job of bringing in talent," I suggest, and he disagrees.

"I don't know if that's fact or fiction," he says. "That's your opinion."

I offer to put it to the readers, but obviously so much hinges on the likes of NomarGarciaparra, Jason Schmidt and Andruw Jones, and so a blindfold, please for Colletti.

Then again, the Dodgers could have those three players, Brad Penny and Rafael Furcal back by the trading deadline, giving the Dodgers the chance to win a division title -- taking into consideration the level of competition in the West.

In other words, "as long as I don't foul it up by making a trade," Colletti says, and had Dan Evans and Kevin Malone been so quick, they might still be here.

"The team needs to get healthy so we can figure out if we need any more help," he says. "We definitely need to play better. We need a better feel and plan at bat. We've pitched pretty well and our bullpen has held up pretty well.

"But constituted as we are today and the approach we're taking at the plate, it'd be a tough go the rest of the way."

The Dodgers have God as manager, though, so why wouldn't they be taking the proper approach at home plate 75 games into the season?

"Let's not go with that [nickname]," Torre says. "What was it you called me the other day?"

"The great Joe Torre."

"Let's go with that," Torre says with a laugh, and OK, so the great Joe Torre apparently is getting nowhere when it comes to managing the ability of his players at home plate.

"We have to find a better way to communicate," he admits. "I'm concerned as Ned is; we need to be more consistent. Damn right 75 games is a long time, and so we have to find a better way to explain it so they understand."

Torre says he likes the approach Juan Pierre and JeffKent take, and Russell Martin does well at times, but the rest of the Dodgers' lineup is too impatient and swings at too many bad pitches.

Some of it is the young players inexperience and more so -- their stubbornness to change what has worked for them in the minor leagues. So 75 games into the season, the Dodgers have been unable to find a winning rhythm on offense.

Put it all together, and you have a GM who has yet to identify talent, a high-priced manager who has yet to make a connection with the talent brought in by previous GMs and the Diamondbacks just lost again.

So far, the Dodgers' idea of a winning formula.




Take away the pudgy ones need to feel superior and he is actually spot on. Ned has to know that he looks moronic at this point.

grizz8884
06-25-2008, 01:51 PM
Wow, great, great article by TJ Simers. Incredible:clap:

darth550
06-25-2008, 01:58 PM
TJ is great! Some people just can't handle what he says is all......

nme
06-25-2008, 03:26 PM
Generally, I love TJ. Sure, he pisses me off sometimes because he is, by and large, the anti-LA fan. But, usually, when he rips on someone/something, there is a thread (if not more, as in this case) of truth to it.

Ned, don't do anything stupid, and by that I mean, don't make a trade (at least a big one. If we can't ditch Proctor I'm all for it). Like he said in the article, "We need to get healthy before we can figure out if we need anymore help." I know this is eons ago at this point, but during the 8-game winning streak right before Raffy went down, I recall that we were scoring 6+ runs/game. With our staff, that would win us 7/10 consistently. Let Raffy come back, let him play a week or two. If our offense is still this anemic, then consider a deadline deal. But no sooner.

And Joe, get Donny back out here teaching this kids some goddamn patience because you obviously can't do it.

N.Z's #1 Dodger
06-25-2008, 05:38 PM
Haha this article is spot on.

G2BOAT
06-25-2008, 06:11 PM
Great article, the only thing I disagree with is the Ethier and Bradley trade. That's a good trade. Bradley is just having a freak year, It doesn't mean he's good, he's still a bum. Overall, the article shows that Ned is a moron.

In_Ned_I_Trust
06-25-2008, 06:21 PM
I hate TJ myself but hey this is probably the best thing that angels fan has written in a long time.

pmmr2113
06-25-2008, 06:57 PM
wow great article by a P.O.S. guy

laraiders2006
06-25-2008, 07:54 PM
Ya, I hate the guy too..All he does is talk crap. But you know what, we are all in agreement on this one.

In all reality, Ethier is in his 3rd year in the bigs. He should be starting by now if he is really that good, right?

The 6-4-3
06-25-2008, 08:18 PM
either is good enough to start, has 6 hrs. 28 rbi's i mean hes one of the better players for the dodgers...

but a package of players wit him included would be a hell of a package to get for an impact bat

Shawh
06-25-2008, 08:33 PM
Couldn't agree more with the article. Dump NedCo and promote White please.

laraiders2006
06-25-2008, 08:47 PM
and Nedco just allowed teams to talk to White and Ng. McCourt, you better do something quick before he eliminates his competition (for his GM Seat)

Cadarn
06-25-2008, 10:10 PM
ned's a moron, and our young talent is too stupid to improve.

DogBoy_3_18
06-25-2008, 10:23 PM
What did happen to Marlon Anderson? Dude was great. Then we gave him up and stayed with the Tomato...

dodgerblues
06-25-2008, 10:32 PM
Colletti has made a bunch of really bad and non-productive moves during his time in LA. None really benefited us in any way. The only good move was getting Ethier, its true, Logan White should be the next GM of the Dodgers and I really hope I get to see him promoted and not shoved on the side by upper management.

I thought Ned was a better GM but as each day passes I can see how his work hasn't really helped us get better. I think Dan Evans did a great job, if he was still our GM, we'd be way better in the standings IMHO and probably could've made it farther in 2004.

Tapptout
06-26-2008, 12:09 AM
I agree that Logan White should be our next Gm as long as he can still manage our scouting to an extent.

But you cannot deny that TJ is a straight shooter.

LAdiablo
06-26-2008, 12:46 AM
most love i have ever seen for TJ

grizz8884
06-26-2008, 12:52 AM
Great article, the only thing I disagree with is the Ethier and Bradley trade. That's a good trade. Bradley is just having a freak year, It doesn't mean he's good, he's still a bum. Overall, the article shows that Ned is a moron.

I think it was a win-win for both teams at the time, Bradley has always been solid wherever he has been.

BLUE4EVER
06-27-2008, 01:26 PM
I've said it once and I will say it again....there's a new sheriff in town?
NEDCO "sucks mucho coolo"

blueplatespcial
06-27-2008, 04:51 PM
Bottom line, the McCourts are the ones to blame. I'm not sure why they have put up with Ned and his catastrophic failures as GM (not too strong a phrase - think of the millions lost). Is the man responsible for all the injuries? Ultimately - yes - Coletti is the man at the head of the table and his name is on every piece of paper. He bears full responsibility - it comes with the job.

But the McCourts must look at it another way. Maybe they let empathy guide their business decisions - IDK. It's not too late - remarkably - only 3.5 back in this horrible division. So, All Star Break would be a good time to fire and hire. Make something happen in the second half. So, I agree with the above posts: Bring up Logan White before we lose him.

darth550
06-27-2008, 05:26 PM
What's amazing is how the guy started out with so much promise then just dropped off the end of the table like a curve ball Honeycutt hasn't ruined yet!

blueplatespcial
06-27-2008, 06:13 PM
^Yeah, I give Ned big points for his first season on the job. He dumped the depo slag - and got rid of the feeble and insane players - and brought in some decent talent. A 180 degree turn around. Since then, he's made some horrible decisions as GM.

We are now the Los Angeles Royals.

(no offense to the midwest blue - but we've got a payroll that's huge, and should easily put us on top of the division).

Bleeds Blue
06-27-2008, 07:07 PM
i think we can all agree that colletti doesnt have a long future as our gm. i wouldnt really blame mccourt, he has dished out enough cash. although on paper, a lot of the big moves that ned made at the time seemed to be good ones. (except for pierre obviously) but it was up to him to make sure that schmidt was healthy and could still pitch before he signed him and it was up to him to make sure that jones could still play ball before he signed him. he did make a lot of little moves that were just plain stupid though (berrora).

with the ned chapter closing i can only hope the next chapter is a good one. so far this book has sucked though

dodgerblues
06-27-2008, 07:15 PM
i think we can all agree that colletti doesnt have a long future as our gm. i wouldnt really blame mccourt, he has dished out enough cash. although on paper, a lot of the big moves that ned made at the time seemed to be good ones. (except for pierre obviously) but it was up to him to make sure that schmidt was healthy and could still pitch before he signed him and it was up to him to make sure that jones could still play ball before he signed him. he did make a lot of little moves that were just plain stupid though (berrora).

with the ned chapter closing i can only hope the next chapter is a good one. so far this book has sucked though

I wouldn't say getting Pierre is a bad move right now. It has, actually, been Ned's best move right now, which is not what we've expected. But think about it, Pierre has been healthy and, to me, that is a success. Whatever the results, we know we're going to get 50-60+ stolen bases and maybe 200 slap stick hits. So what if he has a weak arm, the dude has been playing and I hope more Dodger fans look at Juan Pierre that way and respect him for working hard to be on the field HELPING the team, rather than cheering on the sidelines, pocketing our hard earned money.

Ned is probably going to lose his job if we're not above .500 or if we don't make the playoffs. I really hope Logan White or Ng is next in line, I really think we should find someone to replace Ned from WITHIN the organization. Someone who knows who is talented in LA. That way we don't get someone like Ned who brings in dudes from San Francisco that we shouldn't be bringing in. Although Ramon Martinez was a good pickup for one season.

Bleeds Blue
06-27-2008, 07:37 PM
well yeah jaun pierre has been pretty good but we can all agree that his contract is terrible. we all knew that the moment that he was signed. overall i would say that it wasnt a verry good move. would you do it again?

dodgerblues
06-28-2008, 04:29 AM
well yeah jaun pierre has been pretty good but we can all agree that his contract is terrible. we all knew that the moment that he was signed. overall i would say that it wasnt a verry good move. would you do it again?

At that price for Pierre, no. But would I do it? In a heartbeat.

The guy has been helping us whatever and whichever way he can. I was just saying that he's a success because he hasn't hit the DL like all the other Colletti players. Bill Mueller and Jason Schmidt, were his most worst transactions. Other than letting Loaiza go and giving him millions for showing up also hurts us financially. We're wasting A LOT of money on a few players. Assets that, if we had, could've helped us in the long run is binded to players on the DL.

Bleeds Blue
06-28-2008, 05:40 AM
well, pierre has done a good job this year but if i could go back in time knowing what i know now i wouldnt have signed him. i just personally think that a guy who can drive guys in consistently would have been more valuable to us then pierre. a lot of hypothetical mubmo jumbo but thats what i think.

GHGHCP
06-28-2008, 06:07 AM
Pierre was a knee-jerk reaction signing by Ned Colletti after Kemp went down with an injury (nothing serious at all) and Nancy Drew opting out. It has pretty much forced Torre's hand to use this guy as Furcal is injured. Our best outfield atm would be Ethier, Kemp and Young both offensively and defensively.

Mr Blue
07-03-2008, 01:57 PM
I've said it once and I will say it again....there's a new sheriff in town?
NEDCO "sucks mucho coolo"

Ned es un cunero grande.