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Raptors27
06-24-2008, 11:16 AM
I was looking at some stuff for Ukic and i noticed that some dates didnt match..one site says born may 12th, 1984 and the other said december 5th, 1985... Anyways i was also wondering if he is a passing or scoring PG?

Mile High Champ
06-24-2008, 11:33 AM
here is a decent article about him. Should answer some of your questions. Enjoy.

http://hoopsaddict.com/2007/06/22/roko-ukic-needs-the-nba/

Raptors27
06-24-2008, 11:36 AM
here is a decent article about him. Should answer some of your questions. Enjoy.

http://hoopsaddict.com/2007/06/22/roko-ukic-needs-the-nba/

Cool thanks man.

Mile High Champ
06-24-2008, 11:39 AM
Cool thanks man.

no worries, gives you some idea and the video gives you an idea of what he can do on the court. The jury is still out if he can be a good pg in the nba.

Bob_at_york
06-24-2008, 11:56 AM
Anyways i was also wondering if he is a passing or scoring PG?

I have been wondering the same thing, people have been telling me that he is a pass first.

Raptors27
06-24-2008, 12:08 PM
I have been wondering the same thing, people have been telling me that he is a pass first.

Yeah thats what ive been seeing as well, somewheres in said he could score and get assist whenever he wanted but had to work on his D.

star
06-24-2008, 12:38 PM
As compared to calderon

He is more of a shoot first
Better in the open floor and a better finisher
Will pop the shot off of a screen with no hesitation

Not as good D
Trys many "not safe" plays

Bob_at_york
06-24-2008, 12:45 PM
Yeah thats what ive been seeing as well, somewheres in said he could score and get assist whenever he wanted but had to work on his D.

its weird when he was originally drafted I remember people talking about how good his D is... maybe it was "defensive potiential".

star
06-24-2008, 12:48 PM
Actually, hes going to probably MORE of a combo gaurd, just because of his scoring.

At times dont be surprised to see him and calderon on together

BUT there is no way he can effectively gaurd the better SG's in the league, but when playing against a kapono/korver type he will be fine

babyshaq87
06-24-2008, 01:08 PM
maybe i can help you because i saw him watching in italy.. i'm from rome and he played for us.. he's not a scoring or passing guard.. he is a good guard... in europe he can be considered a good and solid starter, even if he is young he played 3 finals (2 series in spain and 1 in italy) so he can play under pressure, he has been a very good back-up in spain and this year he showed he can really lead a european team.. in the nba he can be a nice back-up..

Mile High Champ
06-24-2008, 01:47 PM
its weird when he was originally drafted I remember people talking about how good his D is... maybe it was "defensive potiential".


Yeah i think your right, based on his skills, he has that defensive potential.

ramz.n
06-24-2008, 01:55 PM
hmm..i would really like to see this guy play...i remember when people called Calderon a poor mans Watson..i'm sure he would fit in perfectly now with the fan's here who give it a European vibe + when Jose was here, the raptors didn't have many international players, with the international players we have im sure he'll feel just at home...HOPEFULLY

star
06-24-2008, 01:57 PM
I am really excited about Roko,

He will likely be a great backup and potentially as good as calderon is now in about 2 -3 years

scotttube
06-24-2008, 02:30 PM
I was looking at some stuff for Ukic and i noticed that some dates didnt match..one site says born may 12th, 1984 and the other said december 5th, 1985... Anyways i was also wondering if he is a passing or scoring PG?

i was doing some searching and i think his birthday is in 1984. Only wikipedia had him 1985. Also i think the confusion with may 12th stems from that being the inverse of december 5th when listed in numbers. Somewhere probably said 12/05/84 and they confused it with 05/12/84. So I believe it is December 5, 1984 or May 12, 1984.

Halladay
06-24-2008, 02:45 PM
Good time for him to come over with TJ on the block and who the hell knows whats up with Parker.

Fion
06-24-2008, 02:58 PM
Roko is really huge for a Point guard, so that means he would have some defensive potential. LIke if you guys remember kidd posting up TJ ford in the Nj playoff series and how that totally MURDERED us, that wont happen vs roko most likely.

ramz.n
06-24-2008, 03:01 PM
roko is thin but hes also tall at 6'5 hopefully he is quick enough to play the point against the other #1 pg's in the league.

Fion
06-24-2008, 03:02 PM
yes that would be the issue, can he keep up with guards.

star
06-24-2008, 03:18 PM
actually no ...

as a back up at about 15 MPG he will be playing against other teams #2 guys ... it doesnt matter if he can play against the #1PG at all yet.

ramz.n
06-24-2008, 06:01 PM
hes definately at times will play against other #1 guards...and hes going to play more then 15 minutes a game hopefully, im hoping to see him along with calderon on the court together :D

Halladay
06-24-2008, 08:35 PM
Anyone know how tall Livingston is? He's a massive PG who hasn't struggled with the position.

EDIT: He's 6'7

Fion
06-24-2008, 08:39 PM
rokos not that big and plays point quite well already for pro ball teams.

Having said that, what i hear about livingston is that hes a good player.

nads83
06-24-2008, 09:21 PM
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ramz.n
06-25-2008, 09:51 AM
Livingston's body wasn't ready for his speed ..i remember how fast hes was going and how grusome his fall was...very sad for a young NBa who was suppose to be a star for the Clippers..cant waitto see him back..that is if he comes back.

Fion
06-26-2008, 06:35 AM
Hey, is there any word on this cat?

B2theRY
06-26-2008, 09:25 AM
Yeah thats what ive been seeing as well, somewheres in said he could score and get assist whenever he wanted but had to work on his D.

oh he will fit right in with the raptors.. LOL

Bob_at_york
06-26-2008, 04:32 PM
Ukic not returning to Barcelona.

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/baloncesto/acb/es/desarrollo/1139386.html

Sounds like good news! :clap:

reevanson
06-27-2008, 12:40 AM
I was wondering if anyone has any concrete evidence that Ukic is even considering coming over from europe. He would take a bit of a cut in pay due to the power of the Euro right now. Is everyone just assuming he is headed over or is there some good evidence that I have not heard yet? Thanks for any help!

slickke
06-27-2008, 01:39 AM
I heard D.Smith on draft day say that he was told by BC that it was better than 50/50, they're negotiating a buyout.

reevanson
06-27-2008, 06:11 AM
I heard D.Smith on draft day say that he was told by BC that it was better than 50/50, they're negotiating a buyout.

Thanks for the info

ramz.n
06-27-2008, 09:29 AM
this was in another forum..i translated some Spainish paper and it said he was considering coming over here

snow22
06-27-2008, 09:31 AM
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AgentViet
06-27-2008, 10:09 AM
I hope he comes here, he's got a lot of upside and would be a great back up to Calderon.

Bob_at_york
06-27-2008, 10:19 AM
I was wondering if anyone has any concrete evidence that Ukic is even considering coming over from europe. He would take a bit of a cut in pay due to the power of the Euro right now. Is everyone just assuming he is headed over or is there some good evidence that I have not heard yet? Thanks for any help!

I merged your thread with the other one that was on the first page of the Raptors board. It has an article saying that Roko is not planning on going back to his team. I am not sure why he wants to come to the Raptors but it definitely sounds like he does.

Durant is hype
06-27-2008, 11:55 AM
I can't wait to see him in Raps uniform.

Fion
06-27-2008, 02:46 PM
Well apparently once we sign caulderon we wont have much money to offer as we will have 10 people under contract.

http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/

therefore we need cheap assests and this means we might go after roko according to doug smiths blog.
Then, it looks like a cheap wing is what we want, someone likely from free agency or camp or what have u, like moon.

PapaSucre
06-30-2008, 06:03 PM
From DraftExpress a couple years ago:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Roko-Leni-Ukic-26/

Ukic is a talented player with all tools needed to become one of the best European point guards for years to come. He's one of the most attractive players in Europe in terms of his style of play and is always a pleasure to watch.

Roko possesses good athleticism for the PG position. At 6-5 he has great size for the PG spot and he combines that with good quickness. Ukic has a very quick first step, which makes him one of the best slashers at this level. His wingspan (reportedly 6-9) is also above average and helps him a lot on the defensive end to get in the passing lanes and come up steals.

Ukic is a very complete offensive player who can score in many different ways. As already mentioned, there are very few players in Europe who better than him when it comes to slashing to the hoop. He beats defenders off the dribble on a regular basis, because of his quick first step and excellent ball-handling. He handles the ball equally well with either hand and can go either left or right when driving to the basket. He has a very nice crossover in his arsenal, to go with all sorts of other flashy ball-handing moves which he developed while playing streetball in Croatia. Ukic is very unpredictable while driving to the basket. He can go all the way to the basket for a lay-up, pull up and hit the jumper, or pass the ball very well to the open man. He is skinny, but has no problem finishing with contact and is a master when is comes to drawing fouls. This season he has become more aggressive in taking his defender of the dribble then in previous seasons.

Ukic has great range on his jumper and shouldn't have any problems adjusting to the NBA 3 point line. He has a high and quick release and has shown a good ability to catch and shoot on some occasions, but that is not his main role. He doesn't need much space to release his jumper and is capable of shooting with a defender's hand in his face; becoming a specialist this year at making extremely tough off-balance shots. Shooting off the dribble is where he particularly shines, and he is indeed an accurate shooter from mid-range. He gets to the foul line often and is an excellent shooter once he gets there; converting 86% of his FT's this season.

While at 6-5 he has many characteristics that you would like to see from a good shooting guard, there is no doubt that he is a pure PG. Roko has good natural playmaking instincts and exceptional court vision, knowing how to create high-percentage shots for his teammates. Based on the flashy no-look and behind the back type passes he has in his repertoire you could say that he is pretty creative with the ball in his hands. He is also a good decision maker who excels in transition. In the half court set he has improved and now has become better at getting all of his teammates involved. Because of his size he can see over the top of most defenders and occasionally shows some post up skills against smaller guards.

Defensively, he reads passing lanes very well and thanks to that skill and his wingspan he gets a few steals every game. He is capable of playing good defense like he showed last year, by giving Sebastian Telfair a hard time during the Nike Hoop Summit game. He also reportedly guarded Devin Harris very well during private workouts. Recently he is being used more often at home to guard SG's and is doing quite well, for example he guarded fellow highly-rated Croatian prospect Marko Tomas recently, holding him scoreless in the first 20 minutes of their battle. Even right now he shouldn't be a defensive liability in the NBA and could eventually become good a defender if and when he adds some bulk. Ukic is an above average rebounder for a point guard, especially on the offensive end, where he shows good anticipation skills.

Ukic is a player who takes responsibility when the game is on the line and usually performs very well under pressure. He is a leader and has a good demeanor on the court. He is considered a mentally strong player and has plenty of confidence in his abilities even when he is having an off-night.

Ukic is a very exciting player to watch and you don't have to be an expert to realize his special talent while watching him play. He possesses a high basketball IQ, a terrific work ethic and a great knowledge of the game. He works very hard on the small details, usually spending some hours in the gym even when practice is over. He lives for basketball, and is the biggest expert on everything related to the NBA amongst players in this area. He surely knows what it takes to succeed in the NBA.

nads83
06-30-2008, 06:08 PM
i dont know anything about ukic. all i have to go by is youtube. im not really impressed to be honest. he seems a bit slow and sloppy. has anyone seen him play? does he use his height to his advantage? does he rebound well? does he defend?

one negative i continue to read is that he doesnt shoot well? why does he struggle? bad shot selection? poor mechanics?

can he play backup in this league?

Fion
06-30-2008, 06:19 PM
i dont know anything about ukic. all i have to go by is youtube. im not really impressed to be honest. he seems a bit slow and sloppy. has anyone seen him play? does he use his height to his advantage? does he rebound well? does he defend?

one negative i continue to read is that he doesnt shoot well? why does he struggle? bad shot selection? poor mechanics?

can he play backup in this league?


yes i have seen him play, he played vs the raptors in the preseason last year. He did quite well in his showing at the time.

scotttube
06-30-2008, 06:22 PM
Anyone know how tall Livingston is? He's a massive PG who hasn't struggled with the position.

EDIT: He's 6'7

Unless you call not realizing any of his potential in the nba struggling. I think a better example of a tall PG is magic. But Roko is a good height for a PG at 6'5.

_Sn1P3r_
06-30-2008, 06:43 PM
Unless you call not realizing any of his potential in the nba struggling. I think a better example of a tall PG is magic. But Roko is a good height for a PG at 6'5.

Yea i agree. 6'5" is pretty good for a PG

ramz.n
06-30-2008, 06:47 PM
is he even a pure pg..people have said hes a combo guard..could he be more of a 2 guard..imagine he came in took the league by storm and averaged a triple double 20/10/10 and was our sg..its nice to dream lol

T.O-Fan
06-30-2008, 07:21 PM
im very high on this guy i just hope hes on our roster this upcoming season..we would very well have pg guard problem between calderon and ukic in few years and force to trade one of them like we did with tj

ramz.n
06-30-2008, 08:22 PM
ya thats a possibility and Ukic is younger..hopefully this chain keeps going :D