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JordansBulls
06-18-2008, 12:16 PM
When completely healthy next year. Who do you think will be better Houston or the Lakers?


Lakers
PG Fisher
SG Kobe
SF Odom
PF Gasol
C Bynum


Rockets
PG Rafer
SG T-mac
SF Battier
PF Scola
C Yao


Rafer began to play really well at the end of last season and Scola stepped up as well. Not to mention the bench that the Rockets have as well as the Lakers. I think these would be the top 2 teams out west as of now with New Orleans and San Antonio following and then Dallas, Phoenix, and Utah.

lakersfan211
06-18-2008, 12:27 PM
i think we will be real good and i think houston will be real good so i think it will be the lakers 1 and the rockets 2

_Supreme_
06-18-2008, 12:32 PM
The Rockets need a veteran point guard, a little more solid than Alston. If they get one and stay healthy they can compete with anyone Imo. If they don't get one and just stay healthy they could go far also.

But this is probably an utopia. Either Yao or Tmac always seem to get hurt sooner or later, Bynum has been out a lot longer than expected and still hasn't played a game, and Pau Gasol is an injury prone player.

If the Spurs upgrade their team a little and/or if the Hornets aquire that one or two solid players they need they will be right there at the top again too.

LD V2.0
06-18-2008, 12:33 PM
I think Lakers by a mile.

DreamShaker
06-18-2008, 12:35 PM
Lakers:shrug:

I am so jaded as to expectations as a Rockets fan....let's see what they do in the offseason....and what the Lakers do as well...both teams want artest supposedly....if one of the teams get Artest the team who gets him is clearly better....but the Lakers will more than likely be the best team in the NBA next year in the West at least....

DreamShaker
06-18-2008, 12:38 PM
I think Lakers by a mile.

I wouldn't say a mile....maybe a quarter of a mile....or half a mile....

da wood
06-18-2008, 12:39 PM
Lakers:shrug:

I am so jaded as to expectations as a Rockets fan....let's see what they do in the offseason....and what the Lakers do as well...both teams want artest supposedly....if one of the teams get Artest the team who gets him is clearly better....but the Lakers will more than likely be the best team in the NBA next year in the West at least....

i couldn't have said that any better myself

SensandRaps
06-18-2008, 12:43 PM
Its a tough call but i say lakers.
See on the lakers gasol's injury prone and bynum hasnt played a game in a while.
Odom and Fisher= Alston and Battier
On the Rockets T-Mac and Yao Ming are injury prone.
Bryant is better than Scola.
Thats y is say the lakers are better by a bit. But if T-Mac or Yao stay healthy it would become a really tough call.

friarfan07
06-18-2008, 12:47 PM
definitely the lakers. for whatever reason, the rockets actually played better when yao was out. they aren't a very consistent team and, last i checked, t-mac isn't exactly kobe in the playoffs. lakers by a pretty big margin.

TrueRob
06-18-2008, 12:57 PM
This matchup looks like a 7 game series to me. We'll have to see how they look when they meet during the regular season. Oh, and if somehow Houston gets Artest, that will put them over the top to beat the Lakers imo.

DreamShaker
06-18-2008, 12:57 PM
definitely the lakers. for whatever reason, the rockets actually played better when yao was out. they aren't a very consistent team and, last i checked, t-mac isn't exactly kobe in the playoffs. lakers by a pretty big margin.

friarfan!!! Hadn't seen you around in awhile....I guess we just haven't crossed paths....but tis good to see you....Rockets were not better without Yao this year though....they played really well without Yao for a stretch in the regular season....but in the playoffs they sorely missed him....they missed his post game, scoring, shot blocking, rebounding, and leadership....and the phrase "T-Mac is no Kobe in the playoffs"....they have pretty similar numbers....and outside of this year and the shaq years....they have been mirror images of each other in the playoffs....Kobe is obviously the better player by alot....but T-Mac is about the same as Kobe in the playoffs without a great team around him....tries to carry too much of the load, gives up at times, shoots a low percentage....alot of similarities....both put up good numbers....but both fail to make thier teammates better when it counts the most....Kobe has moreso than T-Mac though....but still....

C-Van
06-18-2008, 01:03 PM
I really think the West will have 5 legitimate contenders next year, Utah, Houston, SA, LAL, and NO.

The Lakers have the slight advantadge because they were already there without their physical big man...but any one of those four other teams could thwart them!

DreamShaker
06-18-2008, 01:17 PM
I really think the West will have 5 legitimate contenders next year, Utah, Houston, SA, LAL, and NO.

The Lakers have the slight advantadge because they were already there without their physical big man...but any one of those four other teams could thwart them!

Agreed....also Portland won't be easy....and depending on what they do in the offseason....the Suns, Mavs, and Nuggets could easily put themselves in the mix....Warriors as well....this is gonna be a very interesting offseason to see who gets the pieces they need/want....

kvrnm
06-18-2008, 01:47 PM
utah and new orleans will both be better then houston and LA

WillisLovechild
06-18-2008, 01:50 PM
IMO:
Fisher > Alston (Alston is close)
Kobe > T-Mac
Odom = Battier
Gasol > Scola
Bynum < Yao (But Bynum is pretty close)

Lakers no doubt, dependent on who does what. Artest knows he wants to be a Laker anyway, just come to L.A. Ron.

WillisLovechild
06-18-2008, 01:50 PM
utah and new orleans will both be better then houston and LA

haha... no.

Spurred1
06-18-2008, 01:51 PM
But Houston is very rarely completely healthy...

JAZZNC
06-18-2008, 01:53 PM
The Lakers are going to be much better, no question. Even with Yao they aren't as good as this years Lakers with just Pau or Bynum so why with both would they be worse? The Rockets still don't have a PG so that's a big hurdle they're going to have to overcome and isn't "A healthy Rockets team" kind of an oxymoron?

Jahari Kavi
06-18-2008, 01:57 PM
lakers...............kobe choked in the finals, but Tmac is king of choking.......and this is coming from a diehard rockets fan.

Lakers<>Packers
06-18-2008, 02:05 PM
If Houston is injury-free then i wouldnt doubt them being one of the top 3 seeds next year. But i doubt the will be, I think the Lakers and Hornets will be the teams to beat out of the western conference.

C-Van
06-18-2008, 03:33 PM
utah and new orleans will both be better then houston and LA

Yeah, something keeps on telling me Utah will be reeeeeeeeeeally good next year...

friarfan07
06-18-2008, 03:48 PM
friarfan!!! Hadn't seen you around in awhile....I guess we just haven't crossed paths....but tis good to see you....Rockets were not better without Yao this year though....they played really well without Yao for a stretch in the regular season....but in the playoffs they sorely missed him....they missed his post game, scoring, shot blocking, rebounding, and leadership....and the phrase "T-Mac is no Kobe in the playoffs"....they have pretty similar numbers....and outside of this year and the shaq years....they have been mirror images of each other in the playoffs....Kobe is obviously the better player by alot....but T-Mac is about the same as Kobe in the playoffs without a great team around him....tries to carry too much of the load, gives up at times, shoots a low percentage....alot of similarities....both put up good numbers....but both fail to make thier teammates better when it counts the most....Kobe has moreso than T-Mac though....but still....


haha good to see you too again dream. i can't argue since i know you have a lot more knowledge of the rockets than i do, but from the outside looking in, they seemed more cohesive in the regular season once yao was out. plus in past playoffs, with yao, they didn't look any better. i just don't know what to make of yao. he does a lot of good for you guys, but at the same time, every big in the league is more agile than he is, and while that is saying something, it must have some sort of effect on the team play.

kimchi'sworld
06-18-2008, 04:04 PM
Being a Rockets fans I'm going to say Houston, but I felt the beginning of this past season that they we're going to be the best team in the west under Rick Adelman's system ( they we're only 2 games behind la). If either/or both Yao and Tmac are out Lakers by a mile, if both are healthy with a supporting cast then I'll bet on Houston playing in the nba finals.

They're about even if you think of a "big 3" in scoring Tmac, Yao and Scola vs Kobe, Gasol and OdomI but I feel Houston is defensively more solid then LA and they have a better defenders (Battier, Landry, Mutombo, Hayes) and role players (Alston, Jackson, Brooks, Head, Francis), and team chemistry (which is why they we're able to go on the 22 game win streak). La might be better at the point guard but not by that much. I see both starting line-ups as equals when Andrew Bynum comes back but Houston still has better team chemistry. I won't be surprised to see either of these teams snatching the number 1 spot next year.


Fisher =Alston
Bryant (is slightly better but this is against only houtson = Tmac
Odom < Battier (only slightly because he's a better defender)
Gasol > (slightly better because of ht) > Scola
Bynum < Yao (not a comparison but still an upside for Bynum)

houstons bench (Jackson, Mutombo, Hayes, lLndry, Brooks, Novak, Francis) > La's (Turiaf, Farmar, Radmanovich, Walton, Vujacic, Ariza, Mbenga) Houstons bench has defenders and playermakers and ballhandlers while la's bench is mostly spot-up shooters that play good in the open court against week defenses.

Chronz
06-18-2008, 04:11 PM
Depends on how Landry and Brooks develop, the Rockets desperately need their younger core to improve Lakers style. Ill say the Lakers are more talented on paper but the Rockets have established themselves as a top defensive team for about 4 years now and I think that will get them over the hump like it got the C's over the Lakers. But again it all depends on their ability to stay healthy.

kntresistheheat
06-18-2008, 04:29 PM
Lakers all the way!......Just wait until they get bynum he is the defense they slacked in the middle they are going to be nasty next year!

LAKERMANIA
06-18-2008, 04:34 PM
Houston is getting too much hype every year then go ahead and lose in the first round.. With all due respect, this comparison isnt close.. Lakers win especially with Bynum and Pau in the low post together..

Houston is a good team but compared to the Lakers, they arent that good

Testino23
06-18-2008, 04:48 PM
LA cuz Houston cant put it together. They need to make it outta the 1st RD before I have faith in them.

Chronz
06-18-2008, 04:59 PM
Houston is getting too much hype every year then go ahead and lose in the first round.. With all due respect, this comparison isnt close.. Lakers win especially with Bynum and Pau in the low post together..

Houston is a good team but compared to the Lakers, they arent that good
This was the only year I really considered them elite and Yao had to go on an get injured. If Healthy this team is fully worthy of the hype. Name to me 1 team in the West that can play as well as Houston has once they lost their dominant bigman? Definitely not the Lakers, theyve proven to collapse when either Pau or Bynum werent around, not so much for the Rox.

Maybe Utah if they lose Boozer because of Milsap, but the Lakers, Spurs, Mavs, Hornets would not have won as many games as the Rockets did when their star went down. The fact that the Rockets won 22 and like 10 without Yao proves their potential for greatness, so the hype is justified. Cant wait until next year but the Lakers arent THAT great.

dre1990
06-18-2008, 05:20 PM
Lakers

agobbi17
06-18-2008, 05:28 PM
Considering the Rockets went from 10th place to tied with the Lakers for first and then beat the Lakers by 12.. WITHOUT Yao Ming says something. Im lookin forward to this next season.

Bynum is no where near Yao's level by the way.

ink
06-18-2008, 05:32 PM
Lakers.

KiLLA RAiDER
06-18-2008, 05:39 PM
utah and new orleans will both be better then houston and LA

Those to teams are pretty good but not better dan da Lakers! Bout da same with Houston thought!

KiLLA RAiDER
06-18-2008, 05:41 PM
lakers...............kobe choked in the finals, but Tmac is king of choking.......and this is coming from a diehard rockets fan.

Kobe never choked! He just didnt get help from his teamates!

NotVeryOriginal
06-18-2008, 06:01 PM
Lakeshow.

Draco
06-18-2008, 06:22 PM
Laker's, probably.

Rox07
06-18-2008, 06:56 PM
shoulda had a poll w/ this thread

and as a rockets fan I gotta say the lakers b/c every year i end up being disappointed. So i'm gonna be as pessimistic as possible until we get out of the 1st round.

friarfan07
06-18-2008, 07:01 PM
Fisher =Alston
Bryant (is slightly better but this is against only houtson = Tmac
Odom < Battier (only slightly because he's a better defender)
Gasol > (slightly better because of ht) > Scola
Bynum < Yao (not a comparison but still an upside for Bynum)


being an objective party, i can tell you that all of your comparisons are suggestive of you being a homer rockets fan. under no circumstance is kobe "equal" to tmac as you claim. alston and fisher are hardly comparable, but fish has a much better shot and more intelligence on the court. odom is a better scorer than battier, and if battier's defense is better, then i'd call them equal, though again, the two are hardly comparable. gasol isn't slightly better than scola; he's much much better. and the only one i agree with is, right now, yao is better than bynum, but that's really not saying much since most expect bynum to be a star within a few years and yao isn't that good right now anyway.

Draco
06-18-2008, 07:08 PM
being an objective party, i can tell you that all of your comparisons are suggestive of you being a homer rockets fan. under no circumstance is kobe "equal" to tmac as you claim.

I don't know about that.. it seems like this might be the flip side of a Jordan/Kobe comparison. If you think a Kobe/TMac comparison is ridiculous, why? What if TMac played with Shaq for a good part of his career? "What if" discussions are usually popular when trying to raise Kobe up to Jordans level.. how do you see it working with TMac?

SwaggaIke
06-18-2008, 07:09 PM
Lets work on getting out of the first round first. Baby steps.

hammerhead
06-18-2008, 07:32 PM
When completely healthy next year. Who do you think will be better Houston or the Lakers?


Lakers
PG Fisher
SG Kobe
SF Odom
PF Gasol
C Bynum


Rockets
PG Rafer
SG T-mac
SF Battier
PF Scola
C Yao


Rafer began to play really well at the end of last season and Scola stepped up as well. Not to mention the bench that the Rockets have as well as the Lakers. I think these would be the top 2 teams out west as of now with New Orleans and San Antonio following and then Dallas, Phoenix, and Utah.

I think you oughtta give Utah more credit.

Top 4 will be Lakers, Hornets, Utah, Houston.

SwaggaIke
06-18-2008, 10:12 PM
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/25115ce17c8c95b2332297ae7429b2c4dcbd935.jpg

JordansBulls
06-18-2008, 10:36 PM
Lets work on getting out of the first round first. Baby steps.

Well both Boston and LA hadn't been out of the first round in like 3 years and they both made the finals. Sure they added pieces but the Rockets will get Yao back next year and they have a much better coach now than they had in the past and a deeper team and rebounder at PF who is not undersized.

LAKERMANIA
06-18-2008, 10:40 PM
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/25115ce17c8c95b2332297ae7429b2c4dcbd935.jpg

:laugh: :laugh:

ink
06-18-2008, 10:43 PM
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/25115ce17c8c95b2332297ae7429b2c4dcbd935.jpg

:laugh2:

mweb08
06-18-2008, 10:57 PM
Obviously it depends on offseason moves, but I think the Lakers are the clear WC favorite as of now. They can bring basically everyone back and are adding Bynum to the equation, which is exactly what they were missing in the Finals. I think after that, it might be NO, Utah, Hou, SA, Portland, Dallas, PHX, GS, and maybe even the Clippers in contention. The West will be absurdly good again.

blacknell
06-18-2008, 11:04 PM
the mavs will be #1 watch when kidd feels confortable he will be unstoppable and so will the Mavs den LA den NO den SA den Denver then finally Houston which makes them 6th

mweb08
06-18-2008, 11:07 PM
the mavs will be #1 watch when kidd feels confortable he will be unstoppable and so will the Mavs den LA den NO den SA den Denver then finally Houston which makes them 6th

Please, Kidd is well past his prime.

blacknell
06-18-2008, 11:11 PM
Please, Kidd is well past his prime.


its impossible to just get sorry after a trade it was the way avery johnson used him

SeekTheTruth
06-18-2008, 11:15 PM
im gonna say healthy lakers beats a healthy rockets but they aernt far off,mostly because yao is refereed rather unfairly at times it seems, if the jazz get another legitimate scorer watch out for them to beat both of these teams

mweb08
06-18-2008, 11:16 PM
its impossible to just get sorry after a trade it was the way avery johnson used him

He wasn't that good before the trade.

SwaggaIke
06-18-2008, 11:19 PM
Well both Boston and LA hadn't been out of the first round in like 3 years and they both made the finals. Sure they added pieces but the Rockets will get Yao back next year and they have a much better coach now than they had in the past and a deeper team and rebounder at PF who is not undersized.

Like I said, lets get out of the first round first. You can't even compare the two situations. The Celtics added 2 more HOF players and great specialists. The Lakers had a young big man come into his own, brought in a championship point guard and then brought in another all star. The Rockets brought in....Luis Scola. Lets get out the first round first.

mweb08
06-18-2008, 11:21 PM
It may have already been pointed out, but anyone counting on Yao and TMac staying healthy all year is out of their mind. That has to be considered.

Chronz
06-18-2008, 11:27 PM
It may have already been pointed out, but anyone counting on Yao and TMac staying healthy all year is out of their mind. That has to be considered.

Not all year, just in time for the playoffs, neither has really missed that much time down the stretch aside from Yao this year.

mweb08
06-18-2008, 11:39 PM
Not all year, just in time for the playoffs, neither has really missed that much time down the stretch aside from Yao this year.

I'm talking about where they'll end up in the standings at the end of the year, which the likely injuries would obviously impact. And who knows if they would both be healthy for the entire playoffs, obviously you can say that about anyone, but I think the risk is higher with them.

Chronz
06-19-2008, 12:08 AM
I'm talking about where they'll end up in the standings at the end of the year, which the likely injuries would obviously impact. And who knows if they would both be healthy for the entire playoffs, obviously you can say that about anyone, but I think the risk is higher with them.

Oh I thought you meant as the better team in general, but standings wise the Lakers will demolish everyone.

But even then you dont expect the worst, with Yao and Mac missing significant time they have proven capable of winning 50+, and the supporting cast has only gotten better. Yao's injuries have been really freak injuries, I wouldnt be surprised if he played 70-80 games this year, especially if they cut his minutes.

If Yao stays healthy all year (something he is fully capable of) and Mac stays relatively healthy this could be a 60 win year for the Rox. Yao is suppose to be entering his PRIME years within this span so its a must that the Rockets surround him with talent right now.

friarfan07
06-19-2008, 06:06 PM
I don't know about that.. it seems like this might be the flip side of a Jordan/Kobe comparison. If you think a Kobe/TMac comparison is ridiculous, why? What if TMac played with Shaq for a good part of his career? "What if" discussions are usually popular when trying to raise Kobe up to Jordans level.. how do you see it working with TMac?

i'm not even so concerned with the championship disparity between tmac and kobe (0 to 3), but much moreso with the playoffs in general. i guess you could say that kobe did it with shaq (tho yao is so often heralded as such a great center, yet even when healthy hasn't helped the rockets enough to win so much as a round in the playoffs), but even so, he did do it and now he got them to the finals again without him. they're a lot less comparable than kobe and jordan in my mind. jordan did it with one team with pippen. kobe did it with one team with shaq. tmac hasn't done it nor has he come close with anyone. to me, that proves he can't be considered that great right now.

brandt
06-19-2008, 06:29 PM
if healthy, the Rockets. Right before Ming got hurt, they were unstoppable. Even without him they were unstoppable for a while. I think for like 22 games total? I know most of those teams may not have been great, but that was pretty impressive. Even if they weren't great teams that they beat, they did it with and without Yao. They have a great core of young guys too only getting better (Scola, Landry and Brooks).

CowboysKB24
06-19-2008, 07:13 PM
Lakers right now. They have proven to be great with the squad they have right now. Who knows how Houston is going to be playing with Yao in the mix (I think much better but who knows). I think both teams will be better next year but Lakers still number one.

CowboysKB24
06-19-2008, 07:14 PM
I can see Yao being a guy who doesn't make the team better but just may make them different.

Tisoykeis
06-19-2008, 07:20 PM
if healthy, the Rockets. Right before Ming got hurt, they were unstoppable. Even without him they were unstoppable for a while. I think for like 22 games total? I know most of those teams may not have been great, but that was pretty impressive. Even if they weren't great teams that they beat, they did it with and without Yao. They have a great core of young guys too only getting better (Scola, Landry and Brooks).

Are we talking about regular season record or better in the playoffs?

They had a better record without Yao in the lineup and still didn't get out of the first round. So how do we magically assume that they will be better once Yao comes back?

I personally think the Lakers are still the team to beat. I see a lot of teams capable of competing with them, but much of this will ride on off season moves and who takes steps to improve their teams.

If we are talking about Playoffs I agree with the earlier post, this question is ridiculous until Houston proves they can win a playoff series.

kobe2008mvp
06-19-2008, 07:22 PM
kvrnm how can u say utah and new orleans will be better than the rockets and lakers. oh yeah i forgot ur A CELTIC FAN . SO I SAY THE KNICKS AND THE SIXERS WILL BE BETTER THAN THE C'S lol....

stevefrancis
06-19-2008, 07:27 PM
Are we talking about regular season record or better in the playoffs?

They had a better record without Yao in the lineup and still didn't get out of the first round. So how do we magically assume that they will be better once Yao comes back?

I personally think the Lakers are still the team to beat. I see a lot of teams capable of competing with them, but much of this will ride on off season moves and who takes steps to improve their teams.

If we are talking about Playoffs I agree with the earlier post, this question is ridiculous until Houston proves they can win a playoff series.

this coming from a jazz fan, if you think about it houston won 55 games with a new coach and a new system. And going from slow boring style that van gundy played to a high tempo moving offense that adleman plays. the rockets wont have that 500 slump this year. if they and the lakers have a reasonable year with no major injuries they should both be 1 and 2 and win 60or more games. dont get me started with the jazz how they had no injuries and only won home games and still couldn't get home court. imagine they lost boozer like how the lakers lost bynum and houston lost yao, they would be thinking who to draft in the lottery now. =]

Chronz
06-19-2008, 08:34 PM
Are we talking about regular season record or better in the playoffs?

They had a better record without Yao in the lineup and still didn't get out of the first round. So how do we magically assume that they will be better once Yao comes back?

I personally think the Lakers are still the team to beat. I see a lot of teams capable of competing with them, but much of this will ride on off season moves and who takes steps to improve their teams.

If we are talking about Playoffs I agree with the earlier post, this question is ridiculous until Houston proves they can win a playoff series.

WHAT? Magically assume theyre better with the best center in the league? It really isnt that farfetched of a notion for a team to be better with their best player especially if that player is a dominant inside presense. And they werent a better a team without Yao thats why they lost in 6 to the Jazz.

futureman
06-19-2008, 09:56 PM
Houston will be the better team especially if they can get a player like artest signed during the offseason or trade for a high lottery pick. Rockets are a defensive team that can win it all IMO. I don't think the lakers can make the transaction from the best offensive team in the NBA to the best defensive team. All you need is team defense to beat LA, like Boston and Detroit have proven. Houston has alot of team defense from what I can see.

tonyd3b54
06-19-2008, 10:01 PM
yao will destroy any1 on the lakers... they also hav battier a shut down defender and 3pt shooter....combine that wit tmac and the great D they play it will be too much for the lakers...this is if theystay healthy tho...

JordansBulls
06-21-2008, 12:56 AM
Houston will be the better team especially if they can get a player like artest signed during the offseason or trade for a high lottery pick. Rockets are a defensive team that can win it all IMO. I don't think the lakers can make the transaction from the best offensive team in the NBA to the best defensive team. All you need is team defense to beat LA, like Boston and Detroit have proven. Houston has alot of team defense from what I can see.

I've heard that Artest is supposedly moving to Texas. Could he be going to Houston? Or would it be Dallas or San Antonio?

lakerboy
06-21-2008, 01:36 AM
Lakers. I think the Rockets (when completely healthy) or Hornets are second.

Bleeds Blue
06-21-2008, 02:25 AM
yao will destroy any1 on the lakers... they also hav battier a shut down defender and 3pt shooter....combine that wit tmac and the great D they play it will be too much for the lakers...this is if theystay healthy tho...

there is a better chance of ben wallace leading the leauge in free throw % than the rockets staying healthy

fredv
06-21-2008, 06:29 AM
Probably Lakers but keed in mind that Rockets are goin to add a 3rd shooter all-star caliber like Artest, Redd or so. So with the lineup like it is now the Lakers get it, but If the Rox add a big piece they will dominate

prash
06-21-2008, 01:09 PM
If healthy H-Town is the better squad. No body in Houston's locker room has a temper like Kobe. Kobe is the best player in the NBA, but not the best teammate in the NBA.

Iron24th
06-21-2008, 01:27 PM
Lakers of course.

DrDEADalready
06-21-2008, 01:49 PM
Man i dont know Tough Call. houston was Healthy when we beat them last year in 7 games. but it was one heck of a Nailbitter series. and i havent seen anything from the Lakers with Bynum and Gasol playing together so we will see this upcoming season. going to be a Tight Race in the West again.

JOSETHEALLSTAR
06-21-2008, 02:09 PM
they will be in the top 3 in the west next year.

IMO:
Fisher > Alston (Alston is close)
Kobe > T-Mac
Odom = Battier
Gasol > Scola
"Bynum < Yao (But Bynum is pretty close)" is this a joke ??

Lakers no doubt, dependent on who does what. Artest knows he wants to be a Laker anyway, just come to L.A. Ron.

CHC/LAL Fan
06-21-2008, 02:28 PM
That's stupidest ? i've ever heard. Lakers.

astrosmaniac
06-21-2008, 02:34 PM
yay for cool jazz fans :clap::clap::clap:

KB24PG16
06-21-2008, 06:54 PM
the lakers for sure no doubt the rockets cants maintain a good season for a WHOLE year and havent even gotten out of the first round

t-mac1nukka
06-21-2008, 10:21 PM
definitely the lakers. for whatever reason, the rockets actually played better when yao was out. they aren't a very consistent team and, last i checked, t-mac isn't exactly kobe in the playoffs. lakers by a pretty big margin.

youre correct...tmac has been statistically better than kobe in the playoffs!!!

KB24PG16
06-23-2008, 05:56 AM
youre correct...tmac has been statistically better than kobe in the playoffs!!!

kobe 3 rings with shaq

tmac 0 rings with yao

i think that kobe is better

cambovenzi
06-23-2008, 06:01 AM
youre correct...tmac has been statistically better than kobe in the playoffs!!!

lol?
how so?

kobe shoots better from everywhere, and is a better defender.

kimchi'sworld
06-25-2008, 09:40 PM
being an objective party, i can tell you that all of your comparisons are suggestive of you being a homer rockets fan. under no circumstance is kobe "equal" to tmac as you claim. alston and fisher are hardly comparable, but fish has a much better shot and more intelligence on the court. odom is a better scorer than battier, and if battier's defense is better, then i'd call them equal, though again, the two are hardly comparable. gasol isn't slightly better than scola; he's much much better. and the only one i agree with is, right now, yao is better than bynum, but that's really not saying much since most expect bynum to be a star within a few years and yao isn't that good right now anyway.

Wow. hahaha you took the words out of my mouth about what I was going to say about you. It's obvious you didn't carefully analyze the rest of my post. I wasn't comparing who was better as a team overall against the league. Although this post is asking who's better overall I was comparing the teams head-to-head when playing each other and I was very objective about it saying L.A. is miles better if Yao or Tmac are out with Bynum in. I stated Houstons a better team then L.A. simply because they play defense 24/7 and the lakers have a hard time playing teams that commit to defense.

lakers4sho
06-25-2008, 09:49 PM
Lakers, because once they get Bynum back, will be better in positions and are the deeper team.

JordansBulls
06-25-2008, 11:30 PM
Wow. hahaha you took the words out of my mouth about what I was going to say about you. It's obvious you didn't carefully analyze the rest of my post. I wasn't comparing who was better as a team overall against the league. Although this post is asking who's better overall I was comparing the teams head-to-head when playing each other and I was very objective about it saying L.A. is miles better if Yao or Tmac are out with Bynum in. I stated Houstons a better team then L.A. simply because they play defense 24/7 and the lakers have a hard time playing teams that commit to defense.

That makes sense, I think these will be the top 2 teams out west if healthy all year long.

CarniifeX
06-26-2008, 12:57 AM
I think the Lakers take the west, and are much better than Houston. Lamar Odom has the talent to be an elite player in this league. He can average a triple double. He is so dynamic. He can shoot, he gets in the paint so well, he can play D, he can rebound, and has great passing skills. I think he is the major factor in this comparison.

rhino17
06-26-2008, 01:09 AM
both teams are legit contenders when healthy. I think the rockets are a little deep, but the Lakers have a much better starting lineup

jdillion
06-26-2008, 01:41 AM
unless houston addes a clutch third option like jason terry they aint goin anywhere so i gotta go wit the lakers even though im a rockets fan

beans439
06-26-2008, 02:11 AM
Lakers are clearly the better team BUT, houston plays harder.

Reezy
06-26-2008, 02:28 AM
lol

This isn't even a hard decision. Lakers. Kobe+Bynum+Gasol.

TMAC94
06-26-2008, 03:02 AM
why is everyone downing the rockets?
too come 5th in the west without yao.
yes i admit lakers are better, but not by heaps.
Gasol and Bryant arent really too much better than Tmac and Yao, bryant is better than tmac but yao is better than gasol. odom may be better than battier offensivly but on defense, battier is better. fisher and alston are the same basically and scola and bynum ? scola is better offensivly imo buh bynum better on d. houston has a deeper bench with brooks, landry, hayes, jackson. houston have better engry players, were just missing one more thing, another scorer, then we;d be like the lakers, but were not far off.

nyyfan4life
06-26-2008, 04:01 AM
This is just a huge homer-fest.

Lakers will probably be better IMO, but not by much with a healthy Rockets' team. Lets compare them after their off-season. One all-star caliber player can change the whole dynamic of the top of the Western conference.

JordansBulls
06-26-2008, 01:43 PM
kobe 3 rings with shaq

tmac 0 rings with yao

i think that kobe is better

That is horrible logic.

If I were to say Pippen has 6 rings with Jordan, does that make Pippen better than Kobe?



Anyway for the record I added a poll to this question posed at the outset to see what most think.

superkegger
06-26-2008, 01:51 PM
The Lakers, no doubt. How would the team that went to the NBA finals, getting their starting C back, so pau and odom can each move down a position, not be better. Sure Yao and Tmac healthy is great, but the starting 5 of the Lakers is better, and their bench is young, so a year older will only help them get better.

JordansBulls
06-27-2008, 06:34 PM
The Lakers, no doubt. How would the team that went to the NBA finals, getting their starting C back, so pau and odom can each move down a position, not be better. Sure Yao and Tmac healthy is great, but the starting 5 of the Lakers is better, and their bench is young, so a year older will only help them get better.

True, but remember with a healthy Yao and the guys who developed on the Rockets it makes it interesting. Van Gundy mentioned that these are the 2 best teams out west if healthy for next year.

kobynum2417
06-27-2008, 08:16 PM
this is the dumbest thread i have ever seen. what im about to say isnt even an opinion it is a true fact. the lakers will have a BETTER RECORD THAN THE ROCKETS NEXT YEAR. bynum back, kobes fixed pinky, someone getting inside gasols head to make him play harder. the rockets have nothing

JordansBulls
06-27-2008, 08:26 PM
this is the dumbest thread i have ever seen. what im about to say isnt even an opinion it is a true fact. the lakers will have a BETTER RECORD THAN THE ROCKETS NEXT YEAR. bynum back, kobes fixed pinky, someone getting inside gasols head to make him play harder. the rockets have nothing

Kobe's fixed pinky??

He shot better when it was messed up than he did when it was fixed.

MTar786
06-27-2008, 10:02 PM
fisher = alston (i think fisher is better but im being nice)
kobe > tmac (by a decent amount)
odom > battier (by a little.. could be a lot if odom played to his potential)
gasol > scola (by a lot)
bynum < yao (by a decent amount)

laker bench > rockets bench (by a little)

lakers will be a better team for sure

innovator
06-27-2008, 10:02 PM
an unhealthy laker team made the finals last season
enough said

Reyes6
06-27-2008, 10:07 PM
Well Rockets have never been healthy so I don't think any past comparisons can really show anything. I think if 100% healthy the Kobe-Tmac gap would be a lot less than it is today. And if Rafer plays with a healthy mindset (Sharing the ball without being Skip 2 My Lou) and only shoots OPEN 3's I feel he is better than Fisher.


So I chose Rockets. And I am a Rockets fan. So sue me.

lakers4sho
06-27-2008, 10:10 PM
Kobe's fixed pinky??

He shot better when it was messed up than he did when it was fixed.

If you watched the Finals you saw that Kobe didn't shoot the ball well. Kobe "disappeared" in the Finals because of that injury. It just wasn't publicized.

grega1976
06-27-2008, 11:29 PM
The Lakers, no doubt. How would the team that went to the NBA finals, getting their starting C back, so pau and odom can each move down a position, not be better. Sure Yao and Tmac healthy is great, but the starting 5 of the Lakers is better, and their bench is young, so a year older will only help them get better.

if odom plays SF the lakers won't win a game.. I can't think of a single SF he can defend.. too slow.. infact I think the lakers would be stupid not to move him...

I say the Lakers are better against the league, but head to head I say Rockets. The Lakers couldn't even beat the Rox (w/o Yao) when they were fighting for playoff position. Yao DOMINATES Gasol and Bynum always has always will.. Bynum and Gasol haven't played a single game together so no one knows how that will workout.. plus I don't see why everyone is so high on Bynum to begin with.. he has potential, but knee injuries are tricky to say the least.. what happened with him coming back before the playoffs? don't you think if his knee was responding well at all he would have been playing.. I think Bynum is still completely unproven..He had a good 20 game stretch in his career and all the sudden he's some great C? I also seem to remember the Rox won season series 2-1
Both teams are very even though, and alot of who's better will depend on the off season

Durant is hype
06-27-2008, 11:34 PM
utah and new orleans will both be better then houston and LA

HATER!

Lakers_ftw
06-27-2008, 11:44 PM
if odom plays SF the lakers won't win a game..



I guess Lakers are going 0-82 next season.
Projected starting lineup:

Fisher
Bryant
Odom
Gasol
Bynum
:rolleyes:

grega1976
06-27-2008, 11:58 PM
I guess Lakers are going 0-82 next season.
Projected starting lineup:

Fisher
Bryant
Odom
Gasol
Bynum
:rolleyes:

^^ Yah and Kwame was a starter for them over Bynum last yr too.. oh and the word you put in bold is projected.. If you'd like to look up the definition on that you can, but I'll go ahead and spoil it for you and let you know that means it hasn't happened yet, smartguy.. Unless they play a zone D, Odom will not be able to guard SF's he's too slow, way to slow.. As far as the not winning a game its called exagerating to emphasize a point, it's a pretty common literary tool.. I know you all don't get the best education in the world in California, but you should really read up on the technique and insert it into your repertoire.

lakers4sho
06-28-2008, 12:01 AM
Put Odom on the bench and have Radmanovic start. Should be an instant candidate for 6MOTY award. Makes the Laker bench even better, and Radmanovic can shoot the 3 better than Odom, so it all works out. Gonna suck defensively though, but against Houston, he doesn't have to exert much effort against Battier.

grega1976
06-28-2008, 12:09 AM
Put Odom on the bench and have Radmanovic start. Should be an instant candidate for 6MOTY award. Makes the Laker bench even better, and Radmanovic can shoot the 3 better than Odom, so it all works out. Gonna suck defensively though, but against Houston, he doesn't have to exert much effort against Battier.

Now that makes more sense.. Odom is a threat offensively, but his game is not condusive to playing the 3.. Not even in a triangle offense.. I think they would be hurt offensively and defensively by having Odom, Gasol, and Bynum on the floor at the same time.. None of the three are perimeter Defenders and none of them can shoot the 3. Radmonivic keeps the other teams D honest, and eventhough he is not a very good defender he's better against perimeter players than Odom..

lakers4sho
06-28-2008, 12:14 AM
Odom usually works best in the low post rather than outside the 3 point line. So he can probably sub in as a PF, or when the Lakers go small he can play the center position. He can't really play the 3, not in the triangle offense.

Most people would say that Odom is better at the 3 because of his height advantage, but in the Triangle, you can't say that, because the 3 HAS to operate from downtown. It takes away Odom's greatest strength, which is scoring from the post and rebounding.

grega1976
06-28-2008, 12:17 AM
^^ basically what I said, is it that hard for lakers fans and rockets fans to agree with each other?:D

grega1976
06-28-2008, 12:21 AM
I think both teams match up really well with each other.. Fully healthy in a 7 game series on a neutral court, it could go either way. the Rox have chemistry, hustle and D on their side.. The Lakers have Kobe, experience, and O on their side.. tough call..

As a side note can any Lakers fan explain to me why they keep Walton on the team? He is terrible.. I don't get it..

lakers4sho
06-28-2008, 12:37 AM
I think both teams match up really well with each other.. Fully healthy in a 7 game series on a neutral court, it could go either way. the Rox have chemistry, hustle and D on their side.. The Lakers have Kobe, experience, and O on their side.. tough call..

As a side note can any Lakers fan explain to me why they keep Walton on the team? He is terrible.. I don't get it..

Because no other team will take him...simple as that ;)

Same goes for Radmanovic too.

grega1976
06-28-2008, 12:54 AM
Because no other team will take him...simple as that ;)

Same goes for Radmanovic too.

At least Radmanovic has the 3, you could replace walton with a brick and the team IQ would go up by 10 pts.. all i see that dude do is F up plays.. I think all the fans of teams who aren't the lakers should send Kupchick a thank you card for not using that 4+ mil on someone who can actually play a little..

LakersBroncos
06-28-2008, 12:58 AM
So the Rockets go on a nice winning streak to end the season and they are considered contenders now? What happened after the streak ended? What happened in the playoffs? Yes I know that the Rockets were without their starting center, but so were the Lakers. The matchups aren't even close. If the Lakers do get Artest, They have a player that can shut down the opponent's top scorer. LET'S GO LAKE SHOW!!!

lakers4sho
06-28-2008, 01:00 AM
So the Rockets go on a nice winning streak to end the season and they are considered contenders now? What happened after the streak ended? What happened in the playoffs? Yes I know that the Rockets were without their starting center, but so were the Lakers. The matchups aren't even close. If the Lakers do get Artest, They have a player that can shut down the opponent's top scorer. LET'S GO LAKE SHOW!!!

I love the optimism with Artest, but we're talking about their current lineup.

Still, the Lakers are better :D

grega1976
06-28-2008, 01:18 AM
So the Rockets go on a nice winning streak to end the season and they are considered contenders now? What happened after the streak ended? What happened in the playoffs? Yes I know that the Rockets were without their starting center, but so were the Lakers. The matchups aren't even close. If the Lakers do get Artest, They have a player that can shut down the opponent's top scorer. LET'S GO LAKE SHOW!!!

FYI everyone EVERYONE had houston as a contender this year.. they finished just 2 games behind LA eventhough they didn't have Yao for the last 27 games.. LA replaced their starting C with a C that was better.. bynum 13 and 10, Gasol 19 and 9.. the Lakers only played 11 games without Bynum before they got Gasol. We're talking about the roster now not in the future. Oh yah and Houston won the season series 2-1. But other than that you're post was spot on!!:rolleyes:

Crunchy12489
06-28-2008, 12:17 PM
IMO:
Fisher > Alston (Alston is close)
Kobe > T-Mac
Odom = Battier
Gasol > Scola
Bynum < Yao (But Bynum is pretty close)

Lakers no doubt, dependent on who does what. Artest knows he wants to be a Laker anyway, just come to L.A. Ron.

Uhhhhhhh.

Fisher and Alston are damn near the same people. You just happened to select Fisher over him because he has rings. Get real. They are the same role for both teams. Rafer is better than Derek... He crosses him over every time they are matched up! YOU MUST not watch these two teams play obviously. Rafer crosses him up like he's a 1st grader! Rafer > Derek. Derek is close to Rafer, you mean. They are both clutch three point shooters.

Kobe and T-Mac always go at it. Don't play T-Mac like that. Kobe isn't THAT much better than him. T-Mac has scored more points in the playoffs than "The Jesus of Basketball" aka your black mamba.

Odom is better than Battier. Get it right. Battier can play better defense though.

Scola plays excellent defense but matched up against a 7 footer? Gasol will smash him. Good answer.

Bynum CLOSE TO YAO? WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT. Dude. You clearly don't know a thing. Bynum close to Yao? Can Bynum get 3 blocks, 13 rebounds, and drop 28-35 points? Maybe in the future, but now, hell no!

Wow, way to state some bull ****.

I think the Rockets and Lakers (when Healthy) is going to come down to the wire. It will be close games throughout the whole season.

If Francis comes back, it's over. Francis is shutting down everyone on the Laker's bench.

Lakers fans.... hah. They love to think they are the superior ball club. Acting like everyone else (to them) is inferior.

crew158
06-28-2008, 12:20 PM
Let the rockets win a playoff series before we compare the two.

Crunchy12489
06-28-2008, 12:23 PM
Let the rockets win a playoff series before we compare the two.

Awwww that's cold.

:D

JordansBulls
06-28-2008, 12:28 PM
Let the rockets win a playoff series before we compare the two.

Boston nor the Lakers had won any playoff series the last 3+ years before this year and they were in the finals.

Crunchy12489
06-28-2008, 12:35 PM
Boston nor the Lakers had won any playoff series the last 3+ years before this year and they were in the finals.

Very true.

The nuggets defeated the Spurs, Hornets, Rockets, Celtics, Warriors, Mavericks, and spanked the Cavaliers. We haven't won a playoff series yet.

crew158
06-28-2008, 12:38 PM
So when the Rockets lose to Utah again in the 1st next year will this conversation still be viable?

Raidaz4Life
06-28-2008, 01:48 PM
I find it funny how everyone says that the Lakers can't beat a good defensive team when we beat SA (the second best Defensive team in the league) in 5. I mean no offense to Rockets fans but you guys aren't as good defensively as SA. Also it will be very tough for any team to match the size of the Lakers assuming they start Bynum (7'1), Gasol (7'0), and Odom (6'10). The reason we lost the finals was we were too soft. If Gasol and Odom can learn to be more aggressive the Lakers will be the best team in the league but that is a big if. I have the Lakers as a best team in the west just because they were last year and will be better this coming year. I also like NO, Houston, and Utah in no particular order as up and coming teams to look out for to dethrone us

fredv
06-28-2008, 01:52 PM
If the rockets get a 3rd scorer (which they are working very hard on) and stay healthy they will crush the West next year.

Vinylman
06-28-2008, 02:00 PM
Yeah, something keeps on telling me Utah will be reeeeeeeeeeally good next year...

why because they picked up another slow white guy in the draft? :speechless:

Utah can only win at home and basically had no injuries last year ... they were LUCKY to do as well as they did this past year...

As for NO... another team with no significant injuries... that rarely happens in back to back years

the spurs and the lakers will be the favorites in the west next year

Vinylman
06-28-2008, 02:18 PM
FYI everyone EVERYONE had houston as a contender this year.. they finished just 2 games behind LA eventhough they didn't have Yao for the last 27 games.. LA replaced their starting C with a C that was better.. bynum 13 and 10, Gasol 19 and 9.. the Lakers only played 11 games without Bynum before they got Gasol. We're talking about the roster now not in the future. Oh yah and Houston won the season series 2-1. But other than that you're post was spot on!!:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

how many games did they play without gasol after he got hurt in NO... yeah thats what i thought...

might want to think your logic all the way through :clap:

edison_yia
06-28-2008, 02:18 PM
the thing is none of the rockets starters are defensive liabilities...that simple...even kobe look vulnerable as a defensive player...so i beleive the rockets are the better team with the addiotn of yao..and remember they have some bangers on their bench..compare to shooters of the lakers...

edison_yia
06-28-2008, 02:20 PM
and people need to stop overhyping bynum..he didnt even play a full season...there wree alot of players who played well for 10 to 20 games and then slipped off...so please stop it with bynum..yes, he can be great in the future but right now, the guy is pretty much has to start over due to his injuries

sep11ie
06-28-2008, 02:38 PM
How can you have this thread before a free agent has even been signed? You gotta see how the off season plays out.

sep11ie
06-28-2008, 02:39 PM
and people need to stop overhyping bynum..he didnt even play a full season...there wree alot of players who played well for 10 to 20 games and then slipped off...so please stop it with bynum..yes, he can be great in the future but right now, the guy is pretty much has to start over due to his injuries


Both posts, well said Sir, well said!

grega1976
06-28-2008, 10:44 PM
:rolleyes:

how many games did they play without gasol after he got hurt in NO... yeah thats what i thought...

might want to think your logic all the way through :clap:

you need to rethink your logic.. the point of the ****in post was that the lakers replaced their inexperienced and unproven C with a ****in allstar.. It's called reading comprehinsion you should try it sometimes..

still1ballin
06-28-2008, 11:01 PM
you need to rethink your logic.. the point of the ****in post was that the lakers replaced their inexperienced and unproven C with a ****in allstar.. It's called reading comprehinsion you should try it sometimes..

unproven? Bynum was proving a lot until he got hurt....if i am not mistaken the whole month of january he was averaging 17 pts game and 11/12? rebounds a game, leading the league in FG %

Redbull
06-28-2008, 11:49 PM
If 100% healthy I really believe the Rockets could be better.

grega1976
06-29-2008, 09:28 AM
unproven? Bynum was proving a lot until he got hurt....if i am not mistaken the whole month of january he was averaging 17 pts game and 11/12? rebounds a game, leading the league in FG %

:bs:
do you also want to mention that he only played 6 games the WHOLE MONTH of January? wow that makes him a really proven commodity huh.. 6 ****in games!!! he should be a hall of famer now huh... over a 5 game stretch from march 30 - apr 5 Rasho Nesterovic averaged 19pts and 8 rebounds a game.. does that make him an 19 and 8 guy? Is he proven? yah he's proven he's not an 19/8 guy, more like a 7/5 guy.. it just means he had a good stretch.. do I think Bynum has potential to be a good C? Yes.. Is he proven? HELL NO!!! All you LAKER fan idiots keep saying how great he is and he hasn't done ****.. Oh btw Yao averaged 25/12 the WHOLE MONTH of January, and he played the WHOLE MONTH.. thats what a proven C can do!!!!

still1ballin
06-29-2008, 02:45 PM
:bs:
do you also want to mention that he only played 6 games the WHOLE MONTH of January? wow that makes him a really proven commodity huh.. 6 ****in games!!! he should be a hall of famer now huh... over a 5 game stretch from march 30 - apr 5 Rasho Nesterovic averaged 19pts and 8 rebounds a game.. does that make him an 19 and 8 guy? Is he proven? yah he's proven he's not an 19/8 guy, more like a 7/5 guy.. it just means he had a good stretch.. do I think Bynum has potential to be a good C? Yes.. Is he proven? HELL NO!!! All you LAKER fan idiots keep saying how great he is and he hasn't done ****.. Oh btw Yao averaged 25/12 the WHOLE MONTH of January, and he played the WHOLE MONTH.. thats what a proven C can do!!!!

Last year was really Bynum's 1st year of playing because in the previous years he barely got to see any playing time, so dont mention rasho or even YAO's stats whom have been in the league for many years already. Us laker watch every laker game and we saw the potential of Bynum and the improvement. Don't forget way before we got gasol, the lakers were in 1st place in the western conference with bynum okay, but you have your opinion and i respect that. We just have to wait for the 08-09 season to start so bynum can prove you or any other haters wrong.

marques724
06-29-2008, 04:34 PM
If both teams bring back the exact same rosters then LA is clearly better but we will see what happens in the off-season.

_Sn1P3r_
06-29-2008, 04:37 PM
Before the offseason, i think Lakers. We still have wait and see how everythign pans out.

chisoxfan620
06-29-2008, 04:51 PM
The Lakers by far.

Lakersfan2483
06-29-2008, 05:01 PM
The lakers have the better team. First, they have best player in the League, Kobe Bryant. They have 2 second options in Gasol and Bynum. 3rd, they have a balance of role players who performed well this year outside of the Boston series, which was closer than most people say. LA lost 4-2, but we had a chance to win all 5 games, with game 6 being the most lopsided affair. All that being said, LA has the better team and will be the top team in the west if everyone stays healthy.

LAKERMANIA
06-29-2008, 05:09 PM
:bs:
do you also want to mention that he only played 6 games the WHOLE MONTH of January? wow that makes him a really proven commodity huh.. 6 ****in games!!! he should be a hall of famer now huh...
But the entire season until he went down he averaged 13 points 10 Rebounds a game in only 28 minutes a game.. He also had 2 blocks and nearly 2 assists in once again 28 minutes


over a 5 game stretch from march 30 - apr 5 Rasho Nesterovic averaged 19pts and 8 rebounds a game.. does that make him an 19 and 8 guy? Is he proven? yah he's proven he's not an 19/8 guy, more like a 7/5 guy.. it just means he had a good stretch..
Rasho? You are bringing up Rasho? Rasho could do that for one week in his entire life, but what about a guy who put up 13 and 10 every night for half the season?

do I think Bynum has potential to be a good C? Yes.. Is he proven? HELL NO!!! All you LAKER fan idiots keep saying how great he is and he hasn't done ****.. Oh btw Yao averaged 25/12 the WHOLE MONTH of January, and he played the WHOLE MONTH.. thats what a proven C can do!!!!

I dont know about "proven" but if you think putting up 13 and 10 2 blocks and nearly 2 assists in only 28 minutes every night is just a fluke performance, something is seriously wrong here..

Driven
06-29-2008, 05:14 PM
I don't know how anyone can pick Houston...

grega1976
06-30-2008, 12:03 AM
Rasho? You are bringing up Rasho? Rasho could do that for one week in his entire life, but what about a guy who put up 13 and 10 every night for half the season?


Re-read my post, the reason I brought up Rasho was to show that anyone can have a good stretch.. even Rasho.. If Bynum puts up those kind of numbers for a couple seasons I will say he is a DECENT center.. 13 and 10 isn't some impressive number.. If he was SOOOOOOO good why did Phil (quite possibly the best coach ever) start Kwame Brown in front of him? when he puts up Yao type numbers come talk to me... Oh and BTW do you think he would put up those numbers if he was the focal point of the offense.. don't fool yourself, Gasol is 10x the player Bynum is.. Infact I will go on a limb and say that Bynum getting hurt really helped the Lakers.. If Bynum doesn't get hurt the Lakers never get Gasol..
one last point to prove... if i were to tell you that there was a pg who's numbers were 20pts 6ast 3reb and shot 47% fg, 44% 3pt, 84% ft for an entire season.. you would probably tell me how great he is.. well congrats it's Mike James (a career 10pt 3ast 2reb guy who's numbers are alot lower if you remove his 1 good season).. point is anyone can have a good season, or in Bynum's case half a season. However before you start singing his praises maybe you should wait and see what he can consistantly produce..

marques724
06-30-2008, 09:49 AM
I don't see how anyone right now can pick Houston now they get make a few moves maybe but right now LA is plain better

managainstboys
07-03-2008, 11:51 PM
Rafer = Fisher
Mcgrady > Kobe
Battier < Odom
Scola << Gasol
Yao >> Bynum

Bleeds Blue
07-04-2008, 12:04 AM
Rafer = Fisher
Mcgrady > Kobe
Battier < Odom
Scola << Gasol
Yao >> Bynum

HA HA HA!


anyways about bynum... it is true that he hasnt proven that he is a great player yet. however he has already proven that he is a good player when healthy. and a lot of people think that when you add another good player to a team that was 2 wins away from winning it all that means ring (including myself). i do think that he will develop into a great player anyways

Arenaslover
07-04-2008, 10:47 PM
Both teams are overrated, but the Rockets are better.

Remember Arenas dropped 60 on Kobe and the Lakers and mostly on Kobe in that game.

69centers
07-04-2008, 10:51 PM
IMO:
Fisher > Alston (Alston is close)
Kobe > T-Mac
Odom = Battier
Gasol > Scola
Bynum < Yao (But Bynum is pretty close)

Lakers no doubt, dependent on who does what. Artest knows he wants to be a Laker anyway, just come to L.A. Ron.

OMG! :laugh:

chicagowhitesox
07-04-2008, 11:17 PM
Lakers by a slim margin. Bynum will provide them with the toughness in the paint they were lacking in the Finals, assuming he meshes with Gasol.

$KnicksAndKobe$
07-04-2008, 11:24 PM
Kobe will be 100%
Ariza will be 100%
Bynum will be back

Rockets got Yao to come back but that's all
I'm going for the Lakers! go kobe!

$KnicksAndKobe$
07-04-2008, 11:25 PM
Rafer = Fisher
Mcgrady > Kobe
Battier < Odom
Scola << Gasol
Yao >> Bynum

Your a crazy man ... :speechless:

OUfan4life15
07-05-2008, 12:12 AM
Honestly, I don't think Kobe is that much above Tmac. If Tmac didn't have back issues and injuries in his career, it's arguable that he'd be the best player in the league right now. When he was on the magic playing the pistons in the playoffs...he was the best player I've ever seen for the first half of that series. You plug that Tmac in Kobe's place, and I'm sure Tmac would have rings with Shaq and co just like Kobe. Hell I bet if you plugged the Tmac that he is today, he'd still get rings with that team.

Chi-Town Finest
07-05-2008, 12:13 AM
Lakers but Houston not far behind.

lakers4sho
07-05-2008, 01:43 AM
Honestly, I don't think Kobe is that much above Tmac. If Tmac didn't have back issues and injuries in his career, it's arguable that he'd be the best player in the league right now. When he was on the magic playing the pistons in the playoffs...he was the best player I've ever seen for the first half of that series. You plug that Tmac in Kobe's place, and I'm sure Tmac would have rings with Shaq and co just like Kobe. Hell I bet if you plugged the Tmac that he is today, he'd still get rings with that team.

The problem with your argument is that based everything you said from "ifs". If you are to argue something, you should use facts, not assumptions.

Packersfan
07-05-2008, 02:21 AM
Lakers...and as much as i hope the rockets will finally be healthy and prove all the stupid critics wrong, their health is just too big of an IF to even talk about them being an elite team.

OUfan4life15
07-05-2008, 06:27 PM
I wasn't saying Kobe isn't better, he is. I just said Tmac has had alot of injuries that aren't his fault, so it's like Kobe wins by default. Who knows what kind of player Tmac would be if he hadn't been dealing with injuries the last 3-4 years. He's what like 28? Around there anyway, and he plays like he's 35, with the occasional game where he actually looks like he's playing his age.

rainmanegbert2
07-05-2008, 07:27 PM
Lakers are better. Jazz are better. Spurs are better. Hornets should be better.
I cant believe everyone is still hating on the jazz! the didnt just get lucky last year with no injuries and just won at home!! Also, they went to the WCF the year before!!! After they beat the rockets WITH YAO! D WILL is still becoming more amazing too! also brewer, almond, and millsap are only getting better!!!!! so they will be better next year even with a few more losses at home and injuries.. Yao and T mac will only get hurt more often as they get older and are getting past there primes. Yao cant stay healthy and whats gonna make that change next year?haha...so it should be between whos bettr lakers of jazz?

OUfan4life15
07-05-2008, 09:40 PM
Except this Rocket's team is alot better then the team from 06-07. Sure Tmac and Yao were healthy, and it went to 7 games where they let game 7 slip away from them at the end. Now they're a much deeper team with Scola and Landry, not to mention if they sign an free agents. If they sign Brent Barry that only makes them even deeper, plus who knows how much the two rookies Dorsey and Greene will contribute this year. Dorsey is likely to back up Yao along with Mutumbo, so as long as they avoid injuries they shouldn't have any problems getting out of the first round next year, be it against the Jazz or whoever.

Gasolis#1option
07-05-2008, 10:25 PM
Is this a serious question?

heyhey06
07-05-2008, 11:06 PM
When completely healthy next year. Who do you think will be better Houston or the Lakers?


Lakers
PG Fisher
SG Kobe
SF Odom
PF Gasol
C Bynum


Rockets
PG Rafer
SG T-mac
SF Battier
PF Scola
C Yao


Rafer began to play really well at the end of last season and Scola stepped up as well. Not to mention the bench that the Rockets have as well as the Lakers. I think these would be the top 2 teams out west as of now with New Orleans and San Antonio following and then Dallas, Phoenix, and Utah.

[QUOTE=JordansBulls;]When completely healthy next year. Who do you think will be better Houston or the Lakers?

Houston will be lucky to make the playoffs. They will be at best a 6-7 seed.
They will choke as always. Why do people insist on making the Rockets
better than they are?

Storch
07-06-2008, 03:48 PM
I find it funny how everyone says that the Lakers can't beat a good defensive team when we beat SA (the second best Defensive team in the league) in 5. I mean no offense to Rockets fans but you guys aren't as good defensively as SA. Also it will be very tough for any team to match the size of the Lakers assuming they start Bynum (7'1), Gasol (7'0), and Odom (6'10). The reason we lost the finals was we were too soft. If Gasol and Odom can learn to be more aggressive the Lakers will be the best team in the league but that is a big if. I have the Lakers as a best team in the west just because they were last year and will be better this coming year. I also like NO, Houston, and Utah in no particular order as up and coming teams to look out for to dethrone us

Thats prolly the smartest thing posted in this whole thread.

OUfan4life15
07-06-2008, 04:40 PM
Actually on paper, the Rockets were the better defensive team, but I'd probably agree that the Spurs are better defensively.

*Superman*
07-06-2008, 05:03 PM
Lakers hands down.

Tblaze
07-06-2008, 05:12 PM
lakers, why bother making these threads...

btw, the "when healthy" thing is kinda annoying too, houston will never have both Yao and T-Mac healthy in the full playoffs it's just impossible...

dre1990
07-06-2008, 05:15 PM
lakers in a landslide

mariotubes
07-06-2008, 05:16 PM
this isnt even a comparison... lakers by far
must be a houston fan who made this thread...

marques724
07-06-2008, 05:16 PM
The rockets are a good team and when healthy they can be great but it hard to say they are better than a team that won the western conference and beat the jazz the same team that has knocked the rockets out the last two years

sanfranfan1210
07-06-2008, 05:42 PM
Lakers

Fireworld
07-06-2008, 06:45 PM
La

JordansBulls
07-06-2008, 10:49 PM
[QUOTE=JordansBulls;]When completely healthy next year. Who do you think will be better Houston or the Lakers?

Houston will be lucky to make the playoffs. They will be at best a 6-7 seed.
They will choke as always. Why do people insist on making the Rockets
better than they are?

6th or 7th seed when healthy is out of the question. For your 2nd question, every fan makes their team better than they are don't they?

heyhey06
07-06-2008, 11:45 PM
Houston will be the better team especially if they can get a player like artest signed during the offseason or trade for a high lottery pick. Rockets are a defensive team that can win it all IMO. I don't think the lakers can make the transaction from the best offensive team in the NBA to the best defensive team. All you need is team defense to beat LA, like Boston and Detroit have proven. Houston has alot of team defense from what I can see.

They will be lucky to make the playoffs. IF they do you know what
will happen to Tracy one time.

heyhey06
07-06-2008, 11:47 PM
there is a better chance of ben wallace leading the leauge in free throw % than the rockets staying healthy

Or being good.

grega1976
07-07-2008, 12:04 AM
They will be lucky to make the playoffs. IF they do you know what
will happen to Tracy one time.

See now noone can take anything you say seriously because it's obvious you don't know **** about Basketball..

kobe2008mvp
07-07-2008, 01:05 AM
why are you people hating on bynum oh yeah cuz you guys don't have him and

because you guys know he's going to be one of the top 3 if not the best center

in the league in the future.

ridere46
07-07-2008, 01:40 AM
Lakers of course.

Crunchy12489
07-07-2008, 01:42 AM
why are you people hating on bynum oh yeah cuz you guys don't have him and

because you guys know he's going to be one of the top 3 if not the best center

in the league in the future.

Not on Greg's watch he won't.

And not just Greg, but players like Yao Ming, Marcus Camby, Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, and Andres Biedrins.

What do all of these guys have in common?

They play great defense and hustle on the boards. Yao, Dwight, Bosh, and Oden will give him hell from years to come.

notthatcute69
07-07-2008, 05:32 AM
..Houston played a very good game late last season...if Yao was in the picture, then the playoff run would not be very difficult....

kimchi'sworld
07-31-2008, 08:01 PM
Houston will be the better team especially if they can get a player like artest signed during the offseason or trade for a high lottery pick. Rockets are a defensive team that can win it all IMO. I don't think the lakers can make the transaction from the best offensive team in the NBA to the best defensive team. All you need is team defense to beat LA, like Boston and Detroit have proven. Houston has alot of team defense from what I can see.

I've changed my opinion. I originally said Houston would be better in a head to head matchup against l.a., but said if tmac or yao are out la is miles better. I believe even with a yao or tmac injury with artest in they're still the better team then la and the rest of the league

stevefrancis
07-31-2008, 09:34 PM
lmao didnt see this thread in a while. at least someone isn't going to just make it again like they usually do.

Odumb
07-31-2008, 11:20 PM
Lakers would crush them.

west_15ryan
08-01-2008, 06:22 AM
Who beat who 2-1 last year and would have been a 3-0 sweep if it wasn't for a cheap move by Kwame Brown and don't give me this crap about Pau Gasol wasn't on the Lakers Pau Gasol couldn't even help the Grizzlies win and couldn't help the Lakers win in the playoffs when Perkins stuffed him all those times so te Rockets will be better with Artest then the Lakers

BoSelecta!!!
08-01-2008, 07:55 AM
Lakers would crush them.

O DUMB!

JordansBulls
08-01-2008, 09:06 AM
Lakers would crush them.

:rolleyes:

Apophis
08-01-2008, 09:21 AM
Lakers of course.

SHONIE
08-01-2008, 09:26 AM
Rockets. Lakers are too soft. And don't even make a judgement on Bynum yet. As good as he may or may not be, he is NOT Yao. Defense > Offense.

Rockets would win.

HOZ THE KNICK
08-01-2008, 09:28 AM
the lakers,a center can make a diffrence.

nyyfan4life
08-01-2008, 10:07 AM
the lakers,a center can make a diffrence.

Sure but the Rockets still have arguably the best offensive center in the NBA.

laexpress
08-01-2008, 10:15 AM
Oddly enough, I am a Laker fan, and I must say that in one game, I don't like playing the Rockets, however, thru the course of a series, I think that LA would prevail. Maybe seven games to do so, but I still think we'd win. As poor as we looked during the finals, we still have more playoff experience than the Rockets, LOL.....aint that a shame!!!

For the record, if anyone takes the time to notice, the Rockets are a better defensive team with Yao on the bench, so don't bother mentioning him as if he's the second coming of Uwe Blab, LOL!!!

BowDown32
08-01-2008, 10:32 AM
Let's revisit this.

Fisher has a better three and doesnt turn the ball over. One Point to the Lakers.

Kobe is the MVP, Ron was a defensive player of the year but Kobe is gonna get his buckets on who ever guards him. Two Points for the Lakers.

TMac looks like he is gonna be even better this year. He always says he wants to be like Magic and make his team better. Artest gives him some help and a healthy Yao, Tmac could get 25, 6 and 6. Odom is unpredictable. Lakers 2-1.

Gasol eats up Scola. Scola plays solid D, but Gasol has shown that with Kobe he gets easy buckets and helps his confidence grow. Lakers 3-1

Bynum was solid, but he ain't no Yao. If Yao plays like a big man should and bangs down low he is one of the best centres in the league (D12 takes that). Lakers 3-2.

Bench is close too. Battier is one of the most underated players in the game, solid defensively and a great stroke beyond the arc. But the bench mob lost Turiaf but is still very solid. I keep that even.

It's close but if everyone is healthy Lakers still win. If Tmac and Yao go through the same injury prone seasons they always have, Lakers destroy them.

Mile High Champ
08-01-2008, 10:36 AM
Adding Artest is great and all but I see him more as a distratcion, not to mention both the health of Yao and T-Mac is always a question mark. I just cant say they will be better than the lakers..

Rico1455
08-01-2008, 11:04 AM
utah and new orleans will both be better then houston and LA


NO

bball1217
08-01-2008, 01:34 PM
Let's revisit this.

Fisher has a better three and doesnt turn the ball over. One Point to the Lakers.

Kobe is the MVP, Ron was a defensive player of the year but Kobe is gonna get his buckets on who ever guards him. Two Points for the Lakers.

TMac looks like he is gonna be even better this year. He always says he wants to be like Magic and make his team better. Artest gives him some help and a healthy Yao, Tmac could get 25, 6 and 6. Odom is unpredictable. Lakers 2-1.

Gasol eats up Scola. Scola plays solid D, but Gasol has shown that with Kobe he gets easy buckets and helps his confidence grow. Lakers 3-1

Bynum was solid, but he ain't no Yao. If Yao plays like a big man should and bangs down low he is one of the best centres in the league (D12 takes that). Lakers 3-2.

Bench is close too. Battier is one of the most underated players in the game, solid defensively and a great stroke beyond the arc. But the bench mob lost Turiaf but is still very solid. I keep that even.

It's close but if everyone is healthy Lakers still win. If Tmac and Yao go through the same injury prone seasons they always have, Lakers destroy them.

Why would you give the Kobe matchup 2 points and the Yao matchup 1 point. Artest and Shane will give Kobe his hardest game of the year each time they play, Shane has shown he can stop or slow down Kobe already. I think Bynum will be good, but he hasn't proven himself nearly as much as Yao has. You could easily give the Yao matchup 2, and the Kobe matchup 1, but in all fairness, I would give each of them just 1. The reason for that is both matchups could go either way, Kobe could explode one game or Battier/Artest could shut him down one game. Also for the Yao/Bynum matchup, both centers come off injuries, Bynum's being longer, Yao with a longer history of injuries. And, imo, Fisher is just as good as Alston.

So now, imo, it is tied 2-2, and I agree the bench play could be even.

Also for the last statement, same can be said about Bynum getting injured and now McGrady/Yao will play less minutes with Artest here, which gives them more rest and less chance of getting injured.

So, in the end, I don't know who is better until games are played, but either way it would go to 7 games for whoever wins, imo.

JordansBulls
08-01-2008, 01:56 PM
So, in the end, I don't know who is better until games are played, but either way it would go to 7 games for whoever wins, imo.

:nod:

D-Amazins
08-01-2008, 02:15 PM
ok basically startng 5 wise, the Lakers are a better talented team...but who do i think will win in a best of 7 series?

i think the rockets would win in 6 or less games, because there defense is so good and with the addition of Artest who even kobe says is the hardest player he has to score against then the rockets win. I mean look how we won when batier played that game during the rockets 22 game win streak, artes + battier will keep kobe at 20PPG and so long as u can do that to kobe then you have yourself a VICTORY

L@ker4Life
08-01-2008, 02:15 PM
Why would you give the Kobe matchup 2 points and the Yao matchup 1 point. Artest and Shane will give Kobe his hardest game of the year each time they play, Shane has shown he can stop or slow down Kobe already. I think Bynum will be good, but he hasn't proven himself nearly as much as Yao has. You could easily give the Yao matchup 2, and the Kobe matchup 1, but in all fairness, I would give each of them just 1. The reason for that is both matchups could go either way, Kobe could explode one game or Battier/Artest could shut him down one game. Also for the Yao/Bynum matchup, both centers come off injuries, Bynum's being longer, Yao with a longer history of injuries. And, imo, Fisher is just as good as Alston.

So now, imo, it is tied 2-2, and I agree the bench play could be even.

Also for the last statement, same can be said about Bynum getting injured and now McGrady/Yao will play less minutes with Artest here, which gives them more rest and less chance of getting injured.

So, in the end, I don't know who is better until games are played, but either way it would go to 7 games for whoever wins, imo.

He didnt give Kobe 2 points on the matchup that was the total of the first two questions.

My vote is for the Lakers. They are fresh off the finals (without Bynum and Ariza) and the Rockets are unproven with or without Artest. The Lakers are also younger with more room to improve this offseason. So if you look at it the Lakers are the WC champs and have added both Bynum and Ariza while Houston has lost in the first round and added Artest. I think the Lakers take this by a small landslide.

lakerboy
08-01-2008, 02:17 PM
Why would you give the Kobe matchup 2 points and the Yao matchup 1 point. Artest and Shane will give Kobe his hardest game of the year each time they play, Shane has shown he can stop or slow down Kobe already. I think Bynum will be good, but he hasn't proven himself nearly as much as Yao has. You could easily give the Yao matchup 2, and the Kobe matchup 1, but in all fairness, I would give each of them just 1. The reason for that is both matchups could go either way, Kobe could explode one game or Battier/Artest could shut him down one game. Also for the Yao/Bynum matchup, both centers come off injuries, Bynum's being longer, Yao with a longer history of injuries. And, imo, Fisher is just as good as Alston.

So now, imo, it is tied 2-2, and I agree the bench play could be even.

Also for the last statement, same can be said about Bynum getting injured and now McGrady/Yao will play less minutes with Artest here, which gives them more rest and less chance of getting injured.

So, in the end, I don't know who is better until games are played, but either way it would go to 7 games for whoever wins, imo.

On paper Lakers win by an inch.
If you include the intangibles (experience together, Tmac vs Kobe's "clutch", coaching, injuries), LA will look better.

But in the end we still can't really say. Let's just wait for the season to begin. But I love our chances!:)

bbinthepark
08-01-2008, 02:33 PM
He didnt give Kobe 2 points on the matchup that was the total of the first two questions.

My vote is for the Lakers. They are fresh off the finals (without Bynum and Ariza) and the Rockets are unproven with or without Artest. The Lakers are also younger with more room to improve this offseason. So if you look at it the Lakers are the WC champs and have added both Bynum and Ariza while Houston has lost in the first round and added Artest. I think the Lakers take this by a small landslide.

what a spin! you want to claim that the Rocket's have only added Ron Artest to the group that lost to the Jazz? What about Yao Ming??? Had any other western conference playoff team added BOTH Yao and Artest... what would you expect them to be like next season???

UNSTOPPABLE SON!!!!

ee
08-01-2008, 02:40 PM
Rockets now have health and chemistry issues.....We'll see, hopefully you guys don't turn out to be like the Pacers who had some great talent but players like Tinsley, Jackson, Artest and JO being injured destroyed everything.....Talking about health and chemistry, that's a team that I can see you guys becoming if things doesn't work out....

L@ker4Life
08-01-2008, 02:58 PM
what a spin! you want to claim that the Rocket's have only added Ron Artest to the group that lost to the Jazz? What about Yao Ming??? Had any other western conference playoff team added BOTH Yao and Artest... what would you expect them to be like next season???

UNSTOPPABLE SON!!!!


I completly forgot that you guys didnt have Yao in the playoffs last season. However, it seems that you guys played better when Yao was out of the lineup. Either way the Rockets will be a force to reckon with next season. I still dont think you have caught up with the Lakers but you are definately closer than you were at the end of last season.

bball1217
08-01-2008, 03:11 PM
He didnt give Kobe 2 points on the matchup that was the total of the first two questions.

My vote is for the Lakers. They are fresh off the finals (without Bynum and Ariza) and the Rockets are unproven with or without Artest. The Lakers are also younger with more room to improve this offseason. So if you look at it the Lakers are the WC champs and have added both Bynum and Ariza while Houston has lost in the first round and added Artest. I think the Lakers take this by a small landslide.

Oh, my bad.

t-mac1nukka
08-01-2008, 03:12 PM
all i know is i cant wait to see these two great teams go at it.

THE MTL
08-01-2008, 03:36 PM
IF COMPLETELY HEALTHY!!!!!

Then its the Rockets. They might be the best team in the NBA, if completely healthy.

McGrady << Kobe
Artest >>> Odom
Ming >>>>>>>>>> Bynum

McGrady >>>> Allen
Artest (can lock down Pierce) Pierce
Ming = Garnett (slight edge to Garnett but about even)

Storch
08-01-2008, 04:28 PM
Lakers. But it would all depend on who is on fire that night.

LA_Raiders
08-01-2008, 05:43 PM
LA bb!!!

astrosmaniac
08-01-2008, 06:15 PM
I completly forgot that you guys didnt have Yao in the playoffs last season. However, it seems that you guys played better when Yao was out of the lineup. Either way the Rockets will be a force to reckon with next season. I still dont think you have caught up with the Lakers but you are definately closer than you were at the end of last season.

true rockets fans (and i know u are a laker fan so you wouldnt kno this) know that we are better with yao than withou yao. somepeople say thats not true. well yao is the best C in the league. any team is better than this. also in that utah series we only had rafer for 2 full games. when he played the whole game, we won. alos battier and t-mac were both injured. but this whole discussion is about when fully healthy. Bynum AS OF NOW is only AT MOST around a 12-15 PPG and 8-10RPG. He might get better, but he might not. as of right now i think there is no way to predict which team is better. who knows, the hornets may end up the #1 seed next year:p

bball1217
08-01-2008, 06:41 PM
Well said, I agree. :clap:

goku
08-01-2008, 06:55 PM
i cant wait to see
LA VS HOU
HOU VS BOSTON

LA VS BOSTON
LA VS PHENIOX

stevefrancis
08-01-2008, 07:03 PM
the rocket team is more like the celtics than the lakers but with more perimeter defense than interior. if kobe isn't gettin his then there is no way pau and lamar can lead a team in a playoff series. the laker bench is no way near the rocket bench. your gonna say farmar, sasha, walton, freak1n dg mbenga and chris mihm? are better than aaron brookies, brent barry,shane battier carl landry and mutumbo. lakers still have the upperhand just because they are the team to beat in the west but houston and new orleans added playes that can stop kobe. its gonna be a toss up of lakers hornets and rocketrs for 1-3.