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Diehardheatfan
05-12-2008, 03:45 PM
Alot of writters are writting about what miami needs to do this offseason to get back into the mix. I Myself will say what i believe to be true. I have followed miami for years and know exactly what we need. I will break down every situation that i think is realistic. Im usually right 2!!! It all starts with the Draft. We need a top 2 pick which is obvious. If we get the third pick we just gotta pray somone will either swap picks or someone drafts the annual foriegner that comes out of no where in the beginning of june before either beasley or rose which i dont see happening. I for one would take Rose but ive been saying that since we were officially out of playoff contention in what November! So if we get the first pick we need to take rose or trade down and drop a contract particularly mark blount. Rose with our pick and then see if we can get either brand or artest. I know what your thinking we will be over the cap. Well who isnt? WE go over for a year. Offer brand what he was making with the clippers which was 16 a season and tell marion you will give him an extension of 10-12 million a season if he bolts oh well. We have dorell wright. That guy has talent. He will thrive under spolestras new offense. If we cant get rose pick beasley and give marion his extension. Try and bring posey back , resign dorell wright. Do whatever you can to bring jose calderon in. Trade haslem and banks for him after you give him the MLE and toronto matches. If you get rose you can also if yo dont get brand just put marion at the 4 and put artest at the 3. We will get a 5 down the road. What team has one a title with a legit center in the past 12 years other than a shaq team. It can e done. Last time i checked we could try and bring back ZO. A tem that has Rose/Banks,Wade/Cook,Marion/wright/haslem/brand or artest with zo is hard to beat. OR Calderon,Wade,Cook,Marion,Wright,Zo,Beasley with whatever bench players would be nice as well. Players who we need to target are ROSE/Beasley, Brand,Artest,Calderon.:D

#1Mavericksfan
05-12-2008, 04:03 PM
get Rose in the Draft, I think Marion might want to much to resign, and they should also try to get Brand.

NoSense
05-12-2008, 04:13 PM
Yeah try to get Rose first. Cuz I don't see either Marion or Brand signing with the MIA if only Wade is there.
Besides I think Marion might come to his senses and not ask for $25 Mil per., hopefully for y'all :D
But if the Heat doesn't sign him, the Suns could sign him to a small contract. It might not fit money wise but that'd be his chance to win a title as he's still a real part of an NBA team. Not a sub veteran hangin' by the end of the bench...

PaRappaTheRapta
05-12-2008, 04:31 PM
I doubt the Raptors would take Haslem and Banks for Calderon...you would be more likely to get Ford...

PaRappaTheRapta
05-12-2008, 04:34 PM
1 Trade I had mentioned in the Raptors forum was Ford, Kapono (and depending on what you resign Marion for, Humphries or Graham if need be) for Shawn Marion. There have been reports that the Heat are high on Ford, and we know they wish they had resigned Kapono...do you see this as a possibility?

This would solve your point guard situation, open the floor for d-wade and graham and humphries both offer a lot of potential. This also solves a lot of the raptors problems in a slasher who has great perimeter defense and can rebound...

Diehardheatfan
05-13-2008, 03:17 AM
No the only person valuable on the raptors is Calderon and bosh 2! The whole team sucks other than those 2. Ford is weak nobody wants him and his fat deal. You over paid Kapono we dont want that stupid contract. We will take calderon off your hands for you

Halladay
05-13-2008, 03:32 AM
Yeah im sure we'll trade Calderon, one of the best and most efficent guards in the league instead of TJ. Jose is staying in Toronto, TJ will be traded without a doubt. TJ is still a top 10 PG when healthy, he's a very good guard in a bad situation, saying nobody wants him is simply ignorant. Kapono was overpaid but im pretty sure Riley wishes he kept him around.

MGB
05-13-2008, 04:22 AM
Alot of writters are writting about what miami needs to do this offseason to get back into the mix. I Myself will say what i believe to be true. I have followed miami for years and know exactly what we need. I will break down every situation that i think is realistic. Im usually right 2!!! It all starts with the Draft. We need a top 2 pick which is obvious. If we get the third pick we just gotta pray somone will either swap picks or someone drafts the annual foriegner that comes out of no where in the beginning of june before either beasley or rose which i dont see happening. I for one would take Rose but ive been saying that since we were officially out of playoff contention in what November! So if we get the first pick we need to take rose or trade down and drop a contract particularly mark blount. Rose with our pick and then see if we can get either brand or artest. I know what your thinking we will be over the cap. Well who isnt? WE go over for a year. Offer brand what he was making with the clippers which was 16 a season and tell marion you will give him an extension of 10-12 million a season if he bolts oh well. We have dorell wright. That guy has talent. He will thrive under spolestras new offense. If we cant get rose pick beasley and give marion his extension. Try and bring posey back , resign dorell wright. Do whatever you can to bring jose calderon in. Trade haslem and banks for him after you give him the MLE and toronto matches. If you get rose you can also if yo dont get brand just put marion at the 4 and put artest at the 3. We will get a 5 down the road. What team has one a title with a legit center in the past 12 years other than a shaq team. It can e done. Last time i checked we could try and bring back ZO. A tem that has Rose/Banks,Wade/Cook,Marion/wright/haslem/brand or artest with zo is hard to beat. OR Calderon,Wade,Cook,Marion,Wright,Zo,Beasley with whatever bench players would be nice as well. Players who we need to target are ROSE/Beasley, Brand,Artest,Calderon.:D

Paragraphs rule.

PaRappaTheRapta
05-13-2008, 05:46 AM
No the only person valuable on the raptors is Calderon and bosh 2! The whole team sucks other than those 2. Ford is weak nobody wants him and his fat deal. You over paid Kapono we dont want that stupid contract. We will take calderon off your hands for you

I have to say, I'm pretty surprised at how ignorant your response is.

Although you may believe Ford brings no value, I can assure you that many a team will demonstrate an interest in him during the offseason. Colangelo has made it relatively clear the Calderon will be wearing a Raptors uniform, and I do take that with a grain of salt, but it is pretty likely that Ford will be gone by next season and will bring in some good value.

To say the Raptors have no valuable assets is a joke. To start we have a very cheap contract on Jamario Moon, an athletic swingman who has developed drastically over his first year in the NBA. Rasho Nesterovic (player option), an expiring big that can be offered to many playoff bound teams (although this may not be Miami, he is still an asset). Anthony Parker, a cheap swingman that can fill the gap on many teams. I could continue...

I do agree that we overpaid Kapono, but throughout the course of the year it was mentioned many times that Miami wished they had resigned at the wage that Toronto offered, so this is why I brought him up. He could easily be starting on your current roster, so don't laugh off his abilities.

Lastly, if you want to look at it realistically, why would we want Haslem (to play about 15 minutes a game behind bosh), and Banks (if we have 2 of Calderon, Ford and Ukic coming from Spain). The only pieces on your team that would bring interest is D-wade, Marion, Wright...or the draft pick...we are not looking for depth, we are looking for a legit #2 scorer and someone to clean the glass while providing all around strong D (and I don't think that's Haslem anymore)...

JordansBulls
05-13-2008, 07:42 AM
Miami shouldn't be that bad as long as everyone is healthy next year.

IndiansFan337
05-13-2008, 08:42 AM
Marion will re sign, or possibly not even opt out.

As far as I know, no other teams are far enough below the cap to even offer him $10 million per yr. So he'd be crazy to bypass $17 million he could earn this season.

Wade_County
05-13-2008, 10:51 AM
i think everything will come down to the draft pick, lets see what pick miaimi gets and go from there. If they can get either 1 or 2, stay healthly next year, and get alittle help for wade and marion(cause i dont think hes going to pass up 17 mil) they should be a good team.......

but u never know what can happen. look at the celtics last year, they thought would have durrant or oden, and neither happen......but i think it worked out for them in the long run.

plus with all the talk about big name players that could be traded and then with free agents, nothing is impossible....

jonydepth
05-13-2008, 11:10 AM
i think everything will come down to the draft pick, lets see what pick miaimi gets and go from there. If they can get either 1 or 2, stay healthly next year, and get alittle help for wade and marion(cause i dont think hes going to pass up 17 mil) they should be a good team.......

but u never know what can happen. look at the celtics last year, they thought would have durrant or oden, and neither happen......but i think it worked out for them in the long run.

plus with all the talk about big name players that could be traded and then with free agents, nothing is impossible....

you mean impossible is nothing...going after arenas eh...cheeky heat fans:D

uchiha
05-13-2008, 02:02 PM
i think everything will come down to the draft pick, lets see what pick miaimi gets and go from there. If they can get either 1 or 2, stay healthly next year, and get alittle help for wade and marion(cause i dont think hes going to pass up 17 mil) they should be a good team.......

but u never know what can happen. look at the celtics last year, they thought would have durrant or oden, and neither happen......but i think it worked out for them in the long run.

plus with all the talk about big name players that could be traded and then with free agents, nothing is impossible....

don't forget that the celtics traded away a big name prospect in Al Jefferson to get KG, which made their whole offseason. What young talent do the Heat have that could pull off a deal like this? There is nobody... lets face it, its top 2 in the draft or wtf

GrkGawdofWalkz
05-13-2008, 02:23 PM
Yeah try to get Rose first. Cuz I don't see either Marion or Brand signing with the MIA if only Wade is there.
Besides I think Marion might come to his senses and not ask for $25 Mil per., hopefully for y'all :D
But if the Heat doesn't sign him, the Suns could sign him to a small contract. It might not fit money wise but that'd be his chance to win a title as he's still a real part of an NBA team. Not a sub veteran hangin' by the end of the bench...

Why would Marion return to the suns with a small contract. He left the Suns over contract issues. The Sun's without Marion 6th seed out. The Suns with, number 1-4 seed going in before being traded.

Lost Art
05-13-2008, 02:38 PM
get Rose in the Draft, I think Marion might want to much to resign, and they should also try to get Brand.

Funny sig for a Mavs fan..........kind of self deprecating :o

.........I know that's a pretty ironic post considering my sig :( But I have no choice, I lost a bet

Wade_County
05-13-2008, 03:12 PM
don't forget that the celtics traded away a big name prospect in Al Jefferson to get KG, which made their whole offseason. What young talent do the Heat have that could pull off a deal like this? There is nobody... lets face it, its top 2 in the draft or wtf

like i said anything is possible, and for the record i never said they had young talent to trade away. Last time i checked, you didnt have to have young talent to trade, in order to sign Free Agents

Diehardheatfan
05-14-2008, 02:28 AM
I dont song ignorant . Calderon and bosh are it. Moon is ok. Not great. Those expiring contracts you were talking about wont be valuable until the trading deadline. TJ Ford we dont want he is over paid. Key word when hes healthy hes a top pg. Thats rare. Calderon dosent want to be a back up. Read your teams newspaper more often. Calderon refuses to be a backup. We will be one of the many teams bidding for him. You might as well get something for him or you can over pay like you did with Kapono. The people saying we regret not bringing him back are the commentators and no one else.You never pay a specialist that much money. Thats all he can do is shoot. He plays no defense. You cant even put him on the floor in the playoffs. Calderon and Bosh only assets. Those are the only 2 people you could trade anywhere. Everybody else is questionable. Intelligence not ignorance. :clap:

kurivaimu
05-14-2008, 02:35 AM
Pat Riley,the GM, is the reason why the heat were like they were this season.
He let the key pieces slip: Kapono, Posey, even walker had a role with miami.
I dont really believe in his abilities to put together a championship calaber team, and therefore doubt they make any major trades that actualli will improve heat in the summer

PaRappaTheRapta
05-14-2008, 09:53 PM
I dont song ignorant . Calderon and bosh are it. Moon is ok. Not great. Those expiring contracts you were talking about wont be valuable until the trading deadline. TJ Ford we dont want he is over paid. Key word when hes healthy hes a top pg. Thats rare. Calderon dosent want to be a back up. Read your teams newspaper more often. Calderon refuses to be a backup. We will be one of the many teams bidding for him. You might as well get something for him or you can over pay like you did with Kapono. The people saying we regret not bringing him back are the commentators and no one else.You never pay a specialist that much money. Thats all he can do is shoot. He plays no defense. You cant even put him on the floor in the playoffs. Calderon and Bosh only assets. Those are the only 2 people you could trade anywhere. Everybody else is questionable. Intelligence not ignorance. :clap:

Trust me, I have read our "newspapers" even though the comments originated from Jose's Blog...maybe you should read some news and discover that it was reported that the Heat were infact interested in Ford....

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219565

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/49112 (this link is found on SI's site for Miami near the bottom right, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/heat/)

You also went ahead and admitted that we do have more than the 2 tradeable assets that you previously said we were limited to...so I was obviously right on that point.

And all things considered...I, Colangelo and most other Raptors fans are relatively confident that Jose will be in a Raptors uniform come next season...the only way he will be leaving is if we bring in some real quality talent...you can read about it if you want...because there was plenty of news about that too...

While I agree Kapono is overpaid, I was just noting that many people say the Heat missed him this year...and I'm pretty sure that is all I said before, reread it if you need. I also recommend reading this one over twice before replying...:clap:

Diehardheatfan
05-14-2008, 11:33 PM
if we dont get rose we will sign calderon to an offer sheet at high dollar. If you cant trade ford and free up money this is the only move you can make this summer.:clap:

superkegger
05-15-2008, 12:07 AM
I don't think the heat need to do all that much. They need to get healthy. A healthy wade, marion and haslem is very very solid.

They don't need one of the top 2 picks, but damn it would help. Put Beasley there and they can unload haslem for value. Put Rose there, that 4 of rose, wade, mariona and haslem...yikes.

Just make some small moves to unload blount, don't resign davis or williams, and they're back in the playoffs if they stay healthy, but health is really the key IMO.

LayZbone
05-15-2008, 01:46 AM
I don't think the heat need to do all that much. They need to get healthy. A healthy wade, marion and haslem is very very solid.

They don't need one of the top 2 picks, but damn it would help. Put Beasley there and they can unload haslem for value. Put Rose there, that 4 of rose, wade, mariona and haslem...yikes.

Just make some small moves to unload blount, don't resign davis or williams, and they're back in the playoffs if they stay healthy, but health is really the key IMO.

yeah, because of injuries to all our key players this year we had a terrible season....but those 3 (wade, marion and haslem) didn't play together all that much. Adding Rose or Beasley would drastically reshape the franchise from what it was at the beginning of this season. Over the span of 1 year, we've gone from dinosaurs....to a team with a future. Thank god Shaq is gone, and thank god j-will and ricky's contracts are up. If we could get rid of blount, that'd be even better.

hoV23
05-15-2008, 01:07 PM
yea man get ricky j will all those old heads out of here plz ...i just have a big feeling the heat are gonna have one of the big block buster pick ups this year ..even if we get the first pick .. cuz the market is looking good .....

i hope we get rose

PaRappaTheRapta
07-01-2008, 08:34 PM
Sorry all, I've been waiting a long time to rub this in the face of Diehardheatfan....he talked a lot of ****...and I dont want this to go overlooked...raps had assets to offer...we moved them...and picked up a high risk reward player (not saying we're destined for the top...but we moved our assets and brought in some talent in return)...we also kept calderon, who he claimed would be playing for the heat if they didn't get rose...kapono played very well in the playoffs for us, he said he wouldnt even be on the floor....theres not really much else to say...