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GB4life89
05-08-2008, 03:39 PM
In their prime who would you take?

Iodine
05-08-2008, 03:40 PM
Even without the blatant sixers homerism CB34

lavis
05-08-2008, 04:01 PM
Yeah, Barkley fo sho!!

It aint really even a question.. Barkley was probably the most incredible basketball player ever. He could do everything. He had heart, leadership and he didn't hesitate to take responsibility. Even with a broken back he was the rebounding king.

There's been solid good players like KG before and will be, but there will never be another Barkley.

ewing
05-08-2008, 04:05 PM
Chuck

sp1derm00
05-08-2008, 04:10 PM
Barkley...

I don't think any other PF comes close except for TD who many consider the greatest PF ever. I think Sir Charles ranks up there with him though.

kurivaimu
05-08-2008, 04:14 PM
id take the KG from his mvp season.
he was phenomenal.

arlubas
05-08-2008, 04:23 PM
Barkley...

I don't think any other PF comes close except for TD who many consider the greatest PF ever. I think Sir Charles ranks up there with him though.

Malone wasn't bad. ;)

Faneik
05-08-2008, 04:23 PM
This thread is going to be moved...

KG

JordansBulls
05-08-2008, 04:30 PM
Sir Charles

SpeeMN
05-08-2008, 04:35 PM
Its easy to look back on a player that retired and talk about how good he was. KG has way better defense than barkley had.
Barkley scored more and had better FG%
KG gets more blocks, steals and assists
Barkley is a turn over machine
They both rebound the same
They both have extreme presence
KEVIN GARNETT

t-wolves4ever
05-08-2008, 06:06 PM
Kg

bagwell368
05-08-2008, 06:16 PM
My top 6 guys:

Duncan
KG

Malone (those elbows downrate him IMO)

McHale (best low post offensive player ever, too much bench time early & bad feet late kept him from #3 or higher)

Charles
Cowens (forget the "C", he was a PF all the way)

GB4life89
05-08-2008, 07:26 PM
Here's their carrer stats and yearly breakdown

KG
Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1995-96 19 MIN NBA 80 43 28.7 4.5 9.2 .491 0.1 0.4 .286 1.3 1.9 .705 2.2 4.1 6.3 1.8 1.1 1.6 1.4 2.4 10.4
1996-97 20 MIN NBA 77 77 38.9 7.1 14.3 .499 0.1 0.3 .286 2.7 3.5 .754 2.5 5.6 8.0 3.1 1.4 2.1 2.3 2.6 17.0
1997-98 21 MIN NBA 82 82 39.3 7.7 15.8 .491 0.0 0.2 .188 3.0 4.0 .738 2.7 6.9 9.6 4.2 1.7 1.8 2.3 2.7 18.5
1998-99 22 MIN NBA 47 47 37.9 8.8 19.1 .460 0.1 0.3 .286 3.1 4.4 .704 3.5 6.9 10.4 4.3 1.7 1.8 2.9 3.2 20.8
1999-00 23 MIN NBA 81 81 40.0 9.4 18.8 .497 0.4 1.0 .370 3.8 5.0 .765 2.8 9.0 11.8 5.0 1.5 1.6 3.3 2.5 22.9
2000-01 24 MIN NBA 81 81 39.5 8.7 18.2 .477 0.2 0.8 .288 4.4 5.8 .764 2.7 8.7 11.4 5.0 1.4 1.8 2.8 2.5 22.0
2001-02 25 MIN NBA 81 81 39.2 8.1 17.3 .470 0.5 1.4 .319 4.4 5.5 .801 3.0 9.1 12.1 5.2 1.2 1.6 2.8 2.3 21.2
2002-03 26 MIN NBA 82 82 40.5 9.1 18.1 .502 0.2 0.9 .282 4.6 6.1 .751 3.0 10.5 13.4 6.0 1.4 1.6 2.8 2.4 23.0
2003-04 27 MIN NBA 82 82 39.4 9.8 19.6 .499 0.1 0.5 .256 4.5 5.7 .791 3.0 10.9 13.9 5.0 1.5 2.2 2.6 2.5 24.2
2004-05 28 MIN NBA 82 82 38.1 8.3 16.6 .502 0.1 0.3 .240 5.4 6.7 .811 3.0 10.5 13.5 5.7 1.5 1.4 2.7 2.5 22.2
2005-06 29 MIN NBA 76 76 38.9 8.2 15.7 .526 0.1 0.4 .267 5.2 6.4 .810 2.8 9.9 12.7 4.1 1.4 1.4 2.4 2.7 21.8
2006-07 30 MIN NBA 76 76 39.4 8.4 17.6 .476 0.2 0.7 .214 5.5 6.6 .835 2.4 10.4 12.8 4.1 1.2 1.7 2.7 2.4 22.4
2007-08 31 BOS NBA 71 71 32.8 7.5 13.9 .539 0.0 0.2 .000 3.8 4.7 .801 1.9 7.3 9.2 3.4 1.4 1.3 1.9 2.3 18.8
Career NBA 998 961 37.9 8.1 16.4 .494 0.2 0.6 .284 4.0 5.1 .781 2.7 8.5 11.2 4.4 1.4 1.7 2.5 2.5 20.4

Barkley
Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
1984-85 21 PHI NBA 82 60 2347 427 783 .545 1 6 .167 293 400 .733 266 437 703 155 95 80 209 301 1148
1985-86 22 PHI NBA 80 80 2952 595 1041 .572 17 75 .227 396 578 .685 354 672 1026 312 173 125 350 333 1603
1986-87 23 PHI NBA 68 62 2740 557 937 .594 21 104 .202 429 564 .761 390 604 994 331 119 104 322 252 1564
1987-88 24 PHI NBA 80 80 3170 753 1283 .587 44 157 .280 714 951 .751 385 566 951 254 100 103 304 278 2264
1988-89 25 PHI NBA 79 79 3088 700 1208 .579 35 162 .216 602 799 .753 403 583 986 325 126 67 254 262 2037
1989-90 26 PHI NBA 79 79 3085 706 1177 .600 20 92 .217 557 744 .749 361 548 909 307 148 50 243 250 1989
1990-91 27 PHI NBA 67 67 2498 665 1167 .570 44 155 .284 475 658 .722 258 422 680 284 110 33 210 173 1849
1991-92 28 PHI NBA 75 75 2881 622 1126 .552 32 137 .234 454 653 .695 271 559 830 308 136 44 235 196 1730
1992-93 29 PHO NBA 76 76 2859 716 1376 .520 67 220 .305 445 582 .765 237 691 928 385 119 74 233 197 1944
1993-94 30 PHO NBA 65 65 2298 518 1046 .495 48 178 .270 318 452 .704 198 529 727 296 101 37 206 160 1402
1994-95 31 PHO NBA 68 66 2382 554 1141 .486 74 219 .338 379 507 .748 203 553 756 276 110 45 150 201 1561
1995-96 32 PHO NBA 71 71 2632 580 1160 .500 49 175 .280 440 566 .777 243 578 821 262 114 56 218 208 1649
1996-97 33 HOU NBA 53 53 2009 335 692 .484 58 205 .283 288 415 .694 212 504 716 248 69 25 151 153 1016
1997-98 34 HOU NBA 68 41 2243 361 744 .485 18 84 .214 296 397 .746 241 553 794 217 71 28 147 187 1036
1998-99 35 HOU NBA 42 40 1526 240 502 .478 4 25 .160 192 267 .719 167 349 516 192 43 13 100 89 676
1999-00 36 HOU NBA 20 18 620 106 222 .477 6 26 .231 71 110 .645 71 138 209 63 14 4 44 48 289
Career NBA 1073 1012 39330 8435 15605 .541 538 2020 .266 6349 8643 .735 4260 8286 12546 4215 1648 888 3376 3288 23757





I'm gonna give the slight nod to Sir Charles.

madiaz3
05-08-2008, 09:13 PM
Barkley's FG % of 55+% is such a huge advantage for him.

bagwell368
05-08-2008, 10:34 PM
GB,

Missed a few stats.

Barkely was done playing at age 36, KG is 31 and appears ready for 2-4 more excellent years.

Barkley took most of his shots from inside of 12 feet, obviously his % will be higher (.541 BTW not .55). He also spent more of his career with other good shooters that drew attention - so he didn't draw as many doubles as KG.

Using defensive counting stats such as Defensive Rating and Defensive Win Shares, KG is already ahead of Charles defensively at this point of his career. KG already has almost twice as many blocks for instance.

On offense and Win Shares, KG is gaining fast. KG passed Charles in assists this year.

Head to head, I'm afraid that Charles would be the worse for wear, and eating a lot of shots.

i.got.the.nutz
05-09-2008, 05:41 AM
Sir Charles, and its not that close.

GB4life89
05-09-2008, 09:31 AM
GB,

Missed a few stats.

Barkely was done playing at age 36, KG is 31 and appears ready for 2-4 more excellent years.

Barkley took most of his shots from inside of 12 feet, obviously his % will be higher (.541 BTW not .55). He also spent more of his career with other good shooters that drew attention - so he didn't draw as many doubles as KG.

Using defensive counting stats such as Defensive Rating and Defensive Win Shares, KG is already ahead of Charles defensively at this point of his career. KG already has almost twice as many blocks for instance.

On offense and Win Shares, KG is gaining fast. KG passed Charles in assists this year.

Head to head, I'm afraid that Charles would be the worse for wear, and eating a lot of shots.

No Pun Intended

thesparky33
05-11-2008, 03:42 AM
In their prime? That would be quite the tough decision as both were monsters in their primes.

And to be honest, I didnt really watch basketball in Barkley's prime, so it would be pretty one-sided for me to pick Garnett, but in 03-04, Garnett was pretty much unstoppable, as he lead the league in total points and total rebounds, as well as broke Larry Bird's record of consecutive seasons of at least 20-10-5 (points, rebounds, assists) with 6 I believe.

It's not a landslide victory for either player.

Tom81
05-11-2008, 01:48 PM
Charles Barkley

thesparky33
05-11-2008, 08:13 PM
Charles Barkley
Good insight... :rolleyes:

SwaggaIke
05-12-2008, 03:58 PM
I'd have to go w/ Garnett. In his prime he was an offensive nightmare, defensive juggernaut and a rebounding machine. I think Chuck was a GREAT player but Garnett would give him fits in a head to head matchup.

ManRam
05-12-2008, 04:24 PM
I think Barkley was the better player. He was a far more efficient scorer, perhaps the most efficient ever. 60% FG is ridiculous. I think he was a more tenacious rebounder, perhaps the best offensive rebounder ever. Garnett was/is a better 1 on 1 defender, and more athletic. I think head-head Garnett might win out slightly, but Barkley's girth might be too much for KG to handle. It would have been a great match up to see. Two of the most consistent scorers/rebounders ever. Both will finish careers with 10+ 20/10 seasons. I'm a big PER fan, and Barkley is 9th all time, KG is 12th all time. He also only trails Malone, Jordan and Stockton in win shares, another stat I'm fond of.

ccnnody3
05-13-2008, 02:21 PM
how many times kg go to the finals??
Charles barkley

JAZZNC
05-13-2008, 08:02 PM
Barkley b/c of the way he played. He played like a PF should. Score in the post and he had better range than KG if you ask me. He could shoot the 3. He was a better rebounder I don't care what anyone has to say. He also got W's during his career and went to the Finals which is something that KG can't claim. And whoever said that head to head it wouldn't be a match....wow, KG would get handled on the block, very, very few people were strong enough to deal with him down there. I loved watching him and Malone go at it.

JordansBulls
05-13-2008, 11:18 PM
how many times kg go to the finals??
Charles barkley

Not saying I don't agree with you, but being in the finals and winning are 2 different things.

SwaggaIke
05-14-2008, 12:03 AM
Barkley b/c of the way he played. He played like a PF should. Score in the post and he had better range than KG if you ask me. He could shoot the 3. He was a better rebounder I don't care what anyone has to say. He also got W's during his career and went to the Finals which is something that KG can't claim. And whoever said that head to head it wouldn't be a match....wow, KG would get handled on the block, very, very few people were strong enough to deal with him down there. I loved watching him and Malone go at it.

I don't know if you're referring to me or not, so i'll say this. Chuck said himself that he had tremendous problems guarding Kevin McHale. Now i'm by no means saying Garnett's skill set is on the level of McHale's but he possesses a very good one. W/ Garnett's wiry(sp) strength, length and ability to maneuver inside; Chuck would have his hands full guarding him in a one on one matchup.

Musiq
05-14-2008, 05:52 AM
I'd have to go w/ Garnett. In his prime he was an offensive nightmare

really? i think his offensive game was limited; how much different is his game from JO's?

Sir Charles
05-29-2008, 10:11 PM
Charles would win in his Prime easily. :rolleyes:

Garnett might have the height advantage and probaly block him a couple of times but if Barkley was "pissed" Garnett would be in foul trouble all the time, i mean common! even though Garnett is around or close to 7'0 ft and is a better shot blocker (due to his height) he only weighs 220 lbs that is "too thin" to contain a mad Chuck who was a monster!

Barkley would not let Garnett step close to the Paint if he wanted too, he had Soccer like Leggs and a Body Builders like Upper Body. You are talking about a dude that has a Shaq like Frame body, even though naturally stronger at close to 260 lbs! (280 lbs from 1984-87, 1996-1999), as Quick and Fast as a Guard of the Dribble and a rocket in the Fast Breaks, had Guard like Ball-Handling and Vision, had 39 inch vertical leap!, was as Versetaile as the Best Smallforward and had Center foot movements with that 39 inch leap to anticipate and block guys that where over 7`0 ft and 250 lbs (I saw that myself: "Blocking Robinson, Hakeem, Ewing etc").

There is no way Garnett would be able to Guard the speed, quickness, strenght, shooting ability, one on one dribbling, charging and above the POWER that Chuck had in his prime. You are talking about a man that at age 36 picked up Shaq from the ground and Shaq was in no ways the 300 lbs rookie but around 330 lbs!. He picked him up easily:speechless:. This was Chuck with back problems, busted knees, aged with not even 30% of the speed and agility as before too.

Also to mention, Barkley had a tough time Guarding McHale its true but so did McHale!;). Actually McHale had a tougher time than he did ;) and yes McHale was even a more efficient scorer than Garnett and had way more Post Game talent than Garnett ever will. Lets not forget that Barkley made that comment also feeling the struggle because he had to Guard a mix of Bird and McHale during every game, so imagine that job! and he was still quite succesfull against the Celtics (look at the stats below if you dont believe me).

Well here are the stats of him playing against McHale gathered by me from 1986/87 season to 1992/93 season. I could not get the others stats of Charles as a Rookie 1984/85 or playing off bench 1985/86 because they are not available on basketballreference but here we go:

Barkley:

38.77 mpg, 26.55 ppg (58.00% FG), 10.27 trb, 4.45 asp, 1.45 spg, 1 bpg

McHale:

35.22 mpg, 19.73 ppg (60.06 % FG), 7.01 trb, 3.09 asp, 0.41 spg, 1.36 bpg

In no ways did McHale Stop Barkley at all :rolleyes:.

One thing is a compliment of Barkley to McHale and another thing is saying "he stopped me" ;)

Sir Charles
08-14-2008, 09:47 PM
Its easy to look back on a player that retired and talk about how good he was. KG has way better defense than barkley had.
Barkley scored more and had better FG%
KG gets more blocks, steals and assists
Barkley is a turn over machine
They both rebound the same
They both have extreme presence
KEVIN GARNETT

KG was not a Better Paint Defender than Barkley Physically wise (Barkley way Stronger). Garnett is a better Shot Blocker do to Height. Nor is Garnett a Better Stealer than Barkley. Barkley has a higher SPG Avg:rolleyes:

Barkley is also a:

TOP 9 ALL TIME PLAYER EFFICIENCY RATING
TOP 10 ALL TIME PLAYER EFFICIENCY LEADER

Not to mention Barkley schooled Garnett and Duncan at ages 33 to 36 :rolleyes:

GspLAL
08-15-2008, 11:09 PM
Barkley...

I don't think any other PF comes close except for TD who many consider the greatest PF ever. I think Sir Charles ranks up there with him though.

What? are you saying Barkley is better than TD?

_Sn1P3r_
08-16-2008, 06:17 PM
I'd take Barkley.

laker1000
08-17-2008, 12:02 AM
Chuck

Jay22Redd
08-19-2008, 12:36 AM
Barkley