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SportFan4Life
01-21-2008, 05:11 PM
Who do you think was the better outfielder?

Willie Mays- http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mayswi01.shtml

Ted Williams- http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willite01.shtml

Many of their stats cancel each other out. While, Ted Williams may have the better batting average, Willie Mays hits a whole lot more homeruns. Willie Mays, however, could be made out as the better defensive player between the two. After looking at their stats and style of play, who would you take?

One Nut Kruk
01-21-2008, 05:14 PM
Ted Williams.

xander
01-21-2008, 05:28 PM
Willie Mays was the greatest all-around player of all time.

WhyDuquette
01-21-2008, 06:15 PM
Williams

he missed 2 years in his prime

and even w/o that id still prolly take williams

williams had a obp of .482 i belive for carrer mays .384

or something like that

all i need to know

Spider Pig
01-21-2008, 06:59 PM
^^^ Agreed, William missed 2 years of his prime, if he didnt he could of had close to 600 homers. I'll take Williams please.

xander
01-21-2008, 07:07 PM
:cry: Any love for my boy Willie?

Letsplay2
01-21-2008, 07:29 PM
Tough decision but Willi is one of my favorite players. Loved his defense.

Humongo
01-21-2008, 07:38 PM
:cry: Any love for my boy Willie?

Not when his OPS+ is like 40 points lower than Williams'.

Gigantes4Life
01-21-2008, 07:47 PM
:speechless:

I'd pick Willie over anyone because I feel he's the greatest player to ever play the game. His defense was absolutely outstanding and he's also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game in two of the most difficult parks to play in, the Polo Grounds and Candlestick.

One Nut Kruk
01-21-2008, 08:37 PM
:speechless:

I'd pick Willie over anyone because I feel he's the greatest player to ever play the game. His defense was absolutely outstanding and he's also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game in two of the most difficult parks to play in, the Polo Grounds and Candlestick.

That defense does not make up for a 100 point difference in OBP.

.482 career OBP, are you f'n kidding me? That's insane.

xander
01-21-2008, 10:27 PM
:speechless:

I'd pick Willie over anyone because I feel he's the greatest player to ever play the game. His defense was absolutely outstanding and he's also one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game in two of the most difficult parks to play in, the Polo Grounds and Candlestick.

:clap: Finally, somebody picks him.

WhyDuquette
01-21-2008, 10:28 PM
a giants fan ;)

bayareafan650
01-22-2008, 03:04 AM
Willie was the all around greatest player in history.

BaRRySandAmaN
01-22-2008, 12:19 PM
Willie Mays was the best player of his generation all around. He could hit, run and play defense with the best of them. Mays also blew him out of the water with SB's, had 65+ more RBI's and 100 more HR's with only 3 seasons more then Ted.
Ted Williams had .482 OBP thats str8 out crazy IMO but he isnt the Say Hey kid.

One Nut Kruk
01-22-2008, 12:47 PM
Willie Mays was the best player of his generation all around. He could hit, run and play defense with the best of them. Mays also blew him out of the water with SB's, had 65+ more RBI's and 100 more HR's with only 3 seasons more then Ted.
Ted Williams had .482 OBP thats str8 out crazy IMO but he isnt the Say Hey kid.

Those don't mean crap when you look at their 162 game averages.

162 game averages

Williams - .344 avg 37 hr 130 rbi 2 sb .482 obp .634 slg 191 ops+

Mays - .302 avg 36 hr 103 rbi 18 sb .384 obp .557 slg 156 ops+

Mays has Williams in steals and defense. Williams DESTROYS him in just about everything else.

x_notorious
01-23-2008, 01:04 AM
I'll pick Mays, best all around player the league has seen IMO.

good spliff
01-23-2008, 01:08 AM
yeah, but who said ted could ever play 162 games....

good spliff
01-23-2008, 01:09 AM
MAYS is teh GOAT. missed some years too because of war....Willie Mays was the best player to ever play.

x_notorious
01-23-2008, 01:12 AM
MAYS is teh GOAT. missed some years too because of war....Willie Mays was the best player to ever play.

You mean Ted Williams? :eyebrow:

Humongo
01-23-2008, 01:14 AM
Mays missed 266 games to the war, Williams missed nearly 5 years. Williams by a mile.

One Nut Kruk
01-24-2008, 01:54 PM
MAYS is teh GOAT. missed some years too because of war....Willie Mays was the best player to ever play.

Yeah, not a homer at all. Read the fuchin stats. It's not even remotely close.

WhyDuquette
01-25-2008, 11:11 PM
Willie Mays was the best player of his generation all around. He could hit, run and play defense with the best of them. Mays also blew him out of the water with SB's, had 65+ more RBI's and 100 more HR's with only 3 seasons more then Ted.
Ted Williams had .482 OBP thats str8 out crazy IMO but he isnt the Say Hey kid.


okay 65 more rbis wud be made of in a season

100 hrs in 3 years.. williams most likely in his prime wud of beaten that 35 a year

not even.. teddy

mrmetohio
01-26-2008, 12:56 AM
Who do you think was the better outfielder?

Willie Mays- http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mayswi01.shtml

Ted Williams- http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willite01.shtml

Many of their stats cancel each other out. While, Ted Williams may have the better batting average, Willie Mays hits a whole lot more homeruns. Willie Mays, however, could be made out as the better defensive player between the two. After looking at their stats and style of play, who would you take?
I didn't see Ted Williams in his prime, he was still great even after coming back from Korea. An older brother oftens says he was the best hitter the game has ever seen. His numbers minus the war years certainly back that up. I did see Mays and that really is all I can go on. Willie was the single best ballplayer I've ever seen.

gingerbreadmann
01-27-2008, 06:49 PM
Mays was the best all around player in every aspect, but Williams was by far the best hitter ever.

MetsAllTheWay
01-27-2008, 07:07 PM
williams was a better pure hitter but mays was a better defender, stole more bases and ended up hitting more hr's. offensively i'd give it to williams but may's defense and his legs give him a slight edge imo

Jilly Bohnson
01-27-2008, 07:40 PM
Ted Williams is the best player ever not named Ruth.

bagwell368
11-13-2008, 09:47 AM
While on hold with the state.... I dug this old chestnut up.

I have grown to dislike the notion of "all around player". A positional player derives much more value - try about 94% for a LF, and 92% for a CF - from offense.

Offensively Mays is no match for Ted. Mantle is getting warmer, Ruth and Bonds warmer still. Even with extra points on D, position, and base running for Mays, he's not Ted. If he had been a SS or C, then maybe.

But the biggest thing that throws me in this thread is the lack of historical knowledge - 2 years at war - pffht!

Mays missed time as well. Of course he got some back, since he played well into the 162 game schedule, and Ted never did.

Williams missed '43, '44, 45 - ages 24, 25, 26 (after he had hit .406 and had a career .360 BA) - 3 years; and then missed another year and 3/4 due to the Korean war - most of '52 and '53.

johnnylee722
11-14-2008, 12:59 PM
Babe Ruth- best power hitter ever
Ted Williams- best hitter ever
Willie Mays- best all around player ever

johnnylee722
11-14-2008, 01:00 PM
yeah, but who said ted could ever play 162 games....

yeah... he was to busy fighting in wars for our freedoms.

papipapsmanny
11-14-2008, 01:20 PM
what is even more impressive is that williams misses 3 years of baseball and the first year back he hits .342, with a .497 obp and 38 homeruns. Thats what makes you know he was just born for baseball

papipapsmanny
11-14-2008, 01:22 PM
oh and yeah mays has more homeruns but he also had over 3000 at bats more than williams did

asufan55
11-14-2008, 01:24 PM
im gonna have to go with willie mays

todu82
11-14-2008, 08:49 PM
Willie Mays

Yankees213
11-18-2008, 01:22 AM
Willie Mays is the definition of a five-tool player.

Ted Williams is the greatest hitter to ever swing a bat.

Some things I'd rather not decide.

bosox3431
11-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Im going to say Williams. Those hr's and RBI's would have easily been made up in 5 years. But another thing to point out, Mays struckout about once every 7 AB's, while williams struckout clse to once every 11 AB's. Even if williams had the same amount of ab's as Mays, he still has 500-600 less SO's

Raidaz4Life
11-24-2008, 09:53 PM
Williams for me

Redsoxin2009
11-30-2008, 10:09 PM
ummm........not to sound like a homer.....but its not even really debatable...its ted by a mile...the differince in obp is just astronomical....98 points....and if you think mays made the 98 points in obp by his legs/fielding...than your baseball iq is very, very low....and just for thought....ted williams led the league in obp 12 times......ted williams is clearly the 2nd greatest player ever......behind ruth of course

ccspence8
12-07-2008, 08:20 PM
If Williams didn't have to go to war for 3 years of his prime...His numbers would've been insane. I think he is the best baseball player that ever lived

07MVPPatBurrell
12-07-2008, 08:22 PM
But another thing to point out, Mays struckout about once every 7 AB's, while williams struckout clse to once every 11 AB's. Even if williams had the same amount of ab's as Mays, he still has 500-600 less SO's

a strikeout is the same as any other out.

ccspence8
12-07-2008, 08:37 PM
a strikeout is the same as any other out.

A strikeout doesn't help your team at all. If you hit the ball in play you can still get on base (error/fielders choice). And if you get out you can still get an RBI.

So strikeouts are therefore not the same as any other out.

07MVPPatBurrell
12-07-2008, 09:22 PM
A strikeout doesn't help your team at all. If you hit the ball in play you can still get on base (error/fielders choice). And if you get out you can still get an RBI.

So strikeouts are therefore not the same as any other out.

or you can ground into a double play , or ground into a triple play. or line into one of the two.

So strikeouts are therefore the same as any other out

1-800-STFU
12-07-2008, 09:27 PM
Strikeouts are slightly negative but not a really big knock when looking at the big picture.

My vote goes to Williams

bartoron
12-07-2008, 09:48 PM
Ted Williams had more than twice as many walks than strikeouts in his career. He missed three seasons due to World War II, and he also missed almost two entire seasons in a row. If he hadn't fought in the war and hadn't gotten injured those two years, he could've gotten to 700 home runs.


a strikeout is the same as any other out.

Not really. An out in which the ball is hit can often advance a runner. A strikeout almost never advances a runner.

07MVPPatBurrell
12-07-2008, 10:02 PM
Not really. An out in which the ball is hit can often advance a runner. A strikeout almost never advances a runner.

a ground out can often result in a double/triple play. a strikeout almost never results in a triple play.

Redsoxin2009
12-14-2008, 12:02 AM
how is this a 33-33 split vote?, who ever picked mays is a complete moron, the obp differince is 98 points!!!!!

NYMetros
12-14-2008, 12:23 AM
Ted Williams.

acecrusher06
12-18-2008, 03:19 AM
williams. if williams didn't take time off, he might have as many home runs. and the obp is pretty insane.

MVPedroia
12-22-2008, 04:48 PM
Ted Williams.

Not even close.

futureheisman
12-24-2008, 09:52 AM
Ted Williams

baseball4ever
12-25-2008, 10:16 AM
and remember, williams interrupted his career for serving four years during W.W. II !

In addition Mays SUCKED in post-season play.

Teddie Ball now and 4 ever

Old Sweater
12-25-2008, 11:21 AM
Who do you think was the better outfielder?

Willie Mays- http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mayswi01.shtml

Ted Williams- http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/willite01.shtml

Many of their stats cancel each other out. While, Ted Williams may have the better batting average, Willie Mays hits a whole lot more homeruns. Willie Mays, however, could be made out as the better defensive player between the two. After looking at their stats and style of play, who would you take?

Willie Mays, he was the better player. My #1 all time.

Ted Williams was the better hitter. My #1 all time.

bagwell368
12-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Willie Mays was the best player of his generation all around. He could hit, run and play defense with the best of them. Mays also blew him out of the water with SB's, had 65+ more RBI's and 100 more HR's with only 3 seasons more then Ted.
Ted Williams had .482 OBP thats str8 out crazy IMO but he isnt the Say Hey kid.

Are you talking career, or a span of years? Mantle's best 7 blows Mays best 7 out of the door.

If you give Mays and Ted back the service time, then Ted's totals again predominate, and his rates may have even gone up since he wouldn't be spending so much time away from the game.

You should not look at R/RBI totals as much as per game averages and rate totals such as OPS+, and RC/G.

bagwell368
12-25-2008, 11:59 AM
and remember, williams interrupted his career for serving four years during W.W. II !

In addition Mays SUCKED in post-season play.

Teddie Ball now and 4 ever

Ted didn't set the world on fire either in the WS, and don't forget Korea, Ted missed a lot of time then too.

MJ-BULLS
01-20-2009, 01:26 PM
ted williams