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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket View Post
    whatever happens, happens
    pretty much this, I'm in "meh" mode and would be the same basically no matter who we hired

    also, here's the Ringer's take: https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/6...-pistons-coach

    Thereís no reason Casey canít turn this roster into a middling playoff team in the East, but it wonít be easy both given the conferenceís outlook and the franchiseís cap situation. Winning a championship is any teamís ultimate goal, as it was for Casey in Toronto, but in Detroit, expectations are lower for now. Thatís when Casey is at his best: taking modest expectations and exceeding them.
    sounds optimistic I guess

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    He's good at developing players...we need guys like Stanley, Kennard, and Ellenson to step up if we want any postseason success (or any success really). This team is what it is, and Casey's job is to get the most out of it, something SVG was not able to do.


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    and Syracuse has sucked for years
    Wish my wife's name was Syracuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markbutter View Post
    I think we made the playoffs at 44-38. I do think the east is better than it was then and I do think we have more talent than we had then, so I'm looking at 45-48 wins minimum and would have some serious questions if we didn't rattle of a couple of streaks that could put us withi 50.

    The last couple of seasons, even without the injuries, we had a couple of losing streaks that were totally not necessary IMHO. That's coaching and playing hard against the teams you should beat.

    I just think the talent on this team when healthy is being understated by many. I don't think Gores thinks this way - as he ok'd the deal for Blake and obviously thinks that's a better fit. And I don't think the front office should give a hint of "go get 'em you .500 guys." This is the most talent on this team in nearly a decade. I know that might not be saying much, but then it also says how bad we've been and how far we've come.

    Half a dozen teams missed out on Booker and Mitchell - which really shows how much of a crap shoot the draft really is, unless you're talking about a AD or LeBron. Heck, look at Durant & ?? (guy from Ohio State). That was a franchising altering draft for both teams. I think with the team we have, we can be a player for a guy like Jamal Crawford. Perhaps not signing him, but I think he at least takes a phone call - if for no other reason than he played with Blake in L.A. And that also says something about the talent level on this team. .500 should be the floor IMHO, and anything less puts a lot of pressure on a lot of guys on this team. As it should.
    I get that the draft is a crapshoot after a point, but you can't deny that it's easier to find a star in the top 2 rather than the next 10-15. I'd rather have the odds in my favor...but I know that is just me.

    We do indeed have a nice collection of talent...and I think this talent would be good in the NBA...10 years ago. The game is different now though. I don't think this talent suites the NBA. I had high hopes with Blake got here, but his shooting tanked when he arrived...maybe it's small sample size, but honestly the guy needs to shoot high 30's from 3 for him to be truly valuable imo. He also needs to not take long jumpers. Either get in the post or shoot a 3. None of that 18 foot stuff he likes.

    Your win total isn't TOO far from mine..I just see us closer to 42 than to 50...which is...meh. Just meh. Which again, is why I think Casey is kind of a stop gap. He won't bring this team to the promise land...and quite frankly that is not all his fault. It's gores/svg/management for allowing the team to have absolutely no cap flexibility in return for a star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardking13 View Post
    I get that the draft is a crapshoot after a point, but you can't deny that it's easier to find a star in the top 2 rather than the next 10-15. I'd rather have the odds in my favor...but I know that is just me.

    We do indeed have a nice collection of talent...and I think this talent would be good in the NBA...10 years ago. The game is different now though. I don't think this talent suites the NBA. I had high hopes with Blake got here, but his shooting tanked when he arrived...maybe it's small sample size, but honestly the guy needs to shoot high 30's from 3 for him to be truly valuable imo. He also needs to not take long jumpers. Either get in the post or shoot a 3. None of that 18 foot stuff he likes.

    Your win total isn't TOO far from mine..I just see us closer to 42 than to 50...which is...meh. Just meh. Which again, is why I think Casey is kind of a stop gap. He won't bring this team to the promise land...and quite frankly that is not all his fault. It's gores/svg/management for allowing the team to have absolutely no cap flexibility in return for a star.
    I agree, the pieces don't perfectly fit, but they don't for the other 29 teams. And money is money and some teams are going to have to pay very large lux tax to stay competitive. If the Warriors had not won the last 3 of 4, a number of people would be grumbling about their lineup and cap tax issues. And I believe CP3 & Houston could have beaten them without the hammy issue.


    Blake needs to hit 35% of his 3s and I agree, not take mid range jumpers beyond the FT line. Everybody is chasing the Warriors - as they should. Cleveland only competed because of LeBron and without him, they're not constructed much like "today's NBA." Ditto Philly. Ditto S.A. Ditto Jazz. Houston has to guys with great handles and can get their shot with a PnR big, but look at Ariza's (36.8), Tucker's (37.1) and Gordon's (35.9) 3 pt percentage. We were 35.9 as a team, which was 11th in the league. Houston isn'tt built like the Warriors, they just have two great players and very capable others.

    Hitting the lottery would be great. Hitting the lottery to have two "great" players a couple of years apart and then to have them signed in their prime is a very tall task. Heck, Klay was drafted 11 and Green, 35th.

    The reason we traded for Blake was 1- available; 2- SVG saving his job and 3 - equally important - no FA is coming to Det.

    So while the "Warrior thing" runs it's course, the other 29 teams are battling for 2nd place or "best loser." But there are a host of teams out there that are more eff'd than us. OKC with Melo's contract because he's not opting out. Clev if James leaves. I believe we're one or two JJ Redick / Kyle Korver shooter type and an athletic wing in place of one of those two to really compete. Beat the Warriors in 7 game series, no. Pull an upset to get to the finals? Yes. If everyone stays healthy (which is true of everyone) and some growth from Henry and Luke. OTOH, add in a resigned Tolliver with Bullock, and this team can compete every night. That's a long way from where we were just 2 years ago.

    50 wins vs 41 wins is at least one home court series. Every team can't be constructed like the Warriors - if for no other reason - than the 3 of the 4 guys they have they drafted and are able to keep by going over the cap to resign them and having them take team friendly deals. Sure, they built thru the draft, but there were questions of them even initially resigning Curry because of his health (ankles).

    you're right, the draft is a crap shoot. See Green, Draymond.
    Last edited by markbutter; 06-12-2018 at 03:33 PM.

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