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  1. #1
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    The Vlad Jr. Watch

    A little time to kill before work, I decided to compare Vlad Jr. to Mike Trout. Why??

    Trout has been best player in game over last 6-7 years and Vlad has been getting tremendous hype. The first 6 years Trout spent in the big league he finished either 1 or 2 in MVP voting 5 years, the only year he missed was last season where he finished 4th. That was in large part due to injury.

    Another reason was I found them relatively easy to compare. As both started their minor league career in low A at 17, by age 19 both were in AA. Trout will always be the better player of course because he has speed and a gold glove. Where Vlad at this point looks average at best. But the early numbers show Guererro could have the better bat.

    Vlad 19 - .431 10 49 1.193 - 45 games
    Trout 19 - .326 11 38 .958 - 91 games

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    Good idea Robbie, probably best to keep all Vlad talk separate from the rest of the prospects. I have actually compared Vlad to guys like Trout, Griffey and ARod. It is crazy how well he compares to some of the best hitters of all time..


    Griffey essentially skipped the upper minors. He only played 17 games in AA at the end of his age 18 season before starting the next season in the majors at age 19.(..where he struggled a little with just a .748 OPS.) Then at age 20 he slashed .300/.366/.481 with 22 HR's, 28 doubles and 80 RBI's. Then at age 21 he slashed .327/.399/.527 with 22 HR's, 42 doubles and 100 RBI's.


    ARod started in A ball at 18 and worked his way up through AA and AAA to get a Sept call up.(Where he played 17 games and flopped pretty bad). In the minors that season (where he played 65 of his 114 games in the Midwest League...) he slashed .312/.376/.577 with 21 HR's, 11 triples, 28 doubles and 84 RBI's. Then at age 19 he played 54 games in AAA because he struggled in the majors. At age 20 though he almost won the AL MVP as he slashed .358/.414/.631 with 36 HR's, 54 doubles and 123 RBI's. (His best season for BA in his career and his highest OPS until he was 31 in NY).



    These guys were all GG's at their respective positions, but they are some of the best hitters in the last 50+ years and they all essentially "broke out" at age 20 in the big leagues. Vladdy is doing things offensively that none of them ever did in the minors. I think that is why there is so much hype around him league wide.

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    I think he compares better to pujols

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlakeyFool View Post
    I think he compares better to pujols
    Never thought of him before. Will compare the stats this afternoon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    Good idea Robbie, probably best to keep all Vlad talk separate from the rest of the prospects. I have actually compared Vlad to guys like Trout, Griffey and ARod. It is crazy how well he compares to some of the best hitters of all time..


    Griffey essentially skipped the upper minors. He only played 17 games in AA at the end of his age 18 season before starting the next season in the majors at age 19.(..where he struggled a little with just a .748 OPS.) Then at age 20 he slashed .300/.366/.481 with 22 HR's, 28 doubles and 80 RBI's. Then at age 21 he slashed .327/.399/.527 with 22 HR's, 42 doubles and 100 RBI's.


    ARod started in A ball at 18 and worked his way up through AA and AAA to get a Sept call up.(Where he played 17 games and flopped pretty bad). In the minors that season (where he played 65 of his 114 games in the Midwest League...) he slashed .312/.376/.577 with 21 HR's, 11 triples, 28 doubles and 84 RBI's. Then at age 19 he played 54 games in AAA because he struggled in the majors. At age 20 though he almost won the AL MVP as he slashed .358/.414/.631 with 36 HR's, 54 doubles and 123 RBI's. (His best season for BA in his career and his highest OPS until he was 31 in NY).



    These guys were all GG's at their respective positions, but they are some of the best hitters in the last 50+ years and they all essentially "broke out" at age 20 in the big leagues. Vladdy is doing things offensively that none of them ever did in the minors. I think that is why there is so much hype around him league wide.
    I think the callup rules have changed since Griffey and A-Rod though. Not sure. Likely why they got mid/late season callups. Braves kept Acuna down for an extra year, Cubs did same thing one time with Kris Bryant. Can see Jays holding Vlad back until April 15/2019. Smart asset management. At this point, I would rather have Vlad in AA than AAA. Real good atmosphere there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbie View Post
    Never thought of him before. Will compare the stats this afternoon.
    it terms of his advance approach

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    I like the Pujols comparison as well. He has over 3000 hits, he has over 600 HR's and he has a lifetime batting average over .300.

    Pujols essentially crushed Low A ball for a season at age 20 (after being drafted in the 13th round!!) and then started crushing MLB pitching the next year (2001) at age 21 and never looked back. In 2002 he was running up for the MVP and somehow wasn't even an all-star. If not for that tragedy he would have been an all-star 10 years in a row. Over those first 10 years he posted in OPS over 1.100 4 times and only posted an OPS under 1.000 twice (.955 and .997). Starting in 2002 he also posted 10 consecutive seasons with more BB's than SO's.


    One can only hope that Vladdy has the kind of career Pujols has...

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    Any word how long Guerrero is out for?

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    Davidi reporting his is out 4 weeks

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