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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity2152 View Post
    Not re-signing Lavine means he was basically a one month rental. You have to re-sign him, even if you trade him later. Losing assets for nothing is something teams in purgatory do as well.
    There are far more teams stuck from signing a guy or guys to the wrong contract as opposed to letting people walk, regardless of return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Smurf View Post
    There are far more teams stuck from signing a guy or guys to the wrong contract as opposed to letting people walk, regardless of return.
    Yes. But I can easily argue most of those guys dont have zacks ability. U wamt to criticise signings fine but criticise guys who cant live up to that contract like Felecio. Zack has all the potential in the world to be as good as he wants to be.

    Side note. Zack lavine is suposedly one of the hardest working guys in the NBA. And at 23 he has plenty of room to still grow. I dont think there is any reason not to expect him to get back to form or even better. (Barring injury) i dont beleive its smart to give up on a guy whose potential is off the charts and works as hard as he does. If he was lazy and/or living off hype (like Wiggins) i might consider it but still u have to sign and trade him over loosing him for nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyben36 View Post
    Yes. But I can easily argue most of those guys dont have zacks ability. U wamt to criticise signings fine but criticise guys who cant live up to that contract like Felecio. Zack has all the potential in the world to be as good as he wants to be.

    Side note. Zack lavine is suposedly one of the hardest working guys in the NBA. And at 23 he has plenty of room to still grow. I dont think there is any reason not to expect him to get back to form or even better. (Barring injury) i dont beleive its smart to give up on a guy whose potential is off the charts and works as hard as he does. If he was lazy and/or living off hype (like Wiggins) i might consider it but still u have to sign and trade him over loosing him for nothing.
    Anyone suggesting we let Lavine walk for nothing is just insane or really, really donít like his game. First it makes no sense business wise. You lose a valuable asset that you just acquired from trading away the most valuable asset of your franchise. Granted we did get other assets in Lauri and Dunn but to even consider losing Lavine before you even give him a legitimate opportunity to show what he can do is crazy. Secondly, I believe Zach can be a top 3 SG in the east for years TJ come. Canít wait for Zach to do his thing and silence the critics.


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    I totally agree with the last couple posts. Zach has everything you could want as far as intangibles. When he gets his strength and confidence in his body back, which I think he will after a healthy summer, heís going to start getting to the rim more and getting more calls. Furthermore, heís athletic enough to become a better defender once he gets more experience and becomes smarter. Iím stoked to see him develop with that shot and athleticism already in waiting.

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    Kinda wish we had kept Niko or at least gotten expirings back for him. I know i would love to trade with the lakers and aquire an asset to take on a guy like Deng. But I dont think we can with our limited space ourselves. (Assuming we resing lavine to near 20 mil per)

    But we have so much cap stacked up at center with Felecio Asik and Lopez (making a combibed 34 Mil between the 3 of them). And them all being our highest paid players right now which is kinda pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyben36 View Post
    Kinda wish we had kept Niko or at least gotten expirings back for him. I know i would love to trade with the lakers and aquire an asset to take on a guy like Deng. But I dont think we can with our limited space ourselves. (Assuming we resing lavine to near 20 mil per)

    But we have so much cap stacked up at center with Felecio Asik and Lopez (making a combibed 34 Mil between the 3 of them). And them all being our highest paid players right now which is kinda pathetic.
    Even if we max Lavine I believe we have a lot of space still. And no, give me the pick every time over keeping Niko or getting back simply other expirings. That makes no sense.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shammyguy3 View Post
    Even if we max Lavine I believe we have a lot of space still. And no, give me the pick every time over keeping Niko or getting back simply other expirings. That makes no sense.
    Not enough to take on a contract likr deng to get an asset though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyben36 View Post
    Not enough to take on a contract likr deng to get an asset though.
    Depends on the deal and the asset actually

    Id rather have a cost controlled pick over likely most deals you'd propose (i.e. takin back a **** contract for some type of asset)



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    Quite possible we won't have all three centers to start next season. There are a LOT worse contracts than Lopez, Asik, or Felicio. We could use one of them to take a worse contract and an asset, and still have cap room to add a FA or two. If we don't take a bad contract, we'll have so much cap room in 2019 it's not funny. Lopez gone and can buy out Asik for 3 mill.

    Also, getting the feeling Rodney Hood will be available for much cheaper than a few months ago. like 3yrs, 30 mill. Don't think his value could get lower, and he's not even injured. Could be a steal rather than taking a bad deal.
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    Never understood the love for Hood. Big meh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toovey107 View Post
    Never understood the love for Hood. Big meh.
    6'8", good defender, young, solid shooter, decent passer, what's not to like. Not saying give him 15-20, but for 8-12/yr, could be a very solid addition. We'll already have Zach, Dunn, Lauri and our rookie competing for touches, a solid 3 and D wing would be great. We really don't have any defensive wings on our team, ,and he's played SG a lot, he should be playing SF, think he's a better catch and shoot player than a primary ball handler. He was averaging 17 pts in 27 minutes in Utah before he was traded, 39% from the three on almost 7 attempts /game, 87% from the line.
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    When I think about how I want us to rebuild I think about 2 teams, The Warriors and the Celtics, who have built teams through the draft, along with a couple timely FA moves, and have formed potential dynasties for years to come.

    In 2012/13 the Warriors weren't really on anyone's radar. Going into the draft they had 2 building blocks in Curry and Klay. They had the 7th/30th/35th pick. They took a 3 and D wing in Barnes, a big in Festus Ezeli, and with a little luck they got Draymond Green in the 2nd round. The Warriors now had a legitimate young core with fitting pieces. They had a scoring PG who could shoot the lights out, they had a Scoring SG who played great D, a 3 and D small forward with length, and a versatile PF in Green that no one knew was about to change the way people looked at bigs in the NBA. The Warriors ended up making the playoffs, winning a round, and taking the Spurs to 6 games.

    Fast forward to 2013/14. Now they have confidence, momentum, and money to spend on Vets to pair with their young core. So they went out and signed Andre Iguodala, a guy that was his teams 1 in his prime, but just past his prime. He was a big wing who played Defense. He was simply put, the perfect fit as a role player for a team like this. While they didn't make it out of the 1st round this year, they improved from 11th in 2012/13 to 5th in 2013/14, and they took a good Clippers team to 7 games, in a series most didn't think would be close. Rarely is a loss looked at as momentum, but the Warriors just built more momentum, more confidence, and new that they were knocking on the door of greatness.

    Now the Warriors had an identity. They knew Dray was their starting PF. Bogut was the anchor big man. Steph the Superstar, Klay the scorer and wing defender, Iggy the bench leader 2 way player, and Barnes a decent 3 and D. They still lacked depth behind Steph at PG, so they went out and grabbed a matchup nightmare role playing PG in Livingston. They used him to take advantage of opponents smaller PG's by backing them down and making efficient 10-15 footers near the basket. They also had Mo Speights who could hit some shots here and there, and Barbosa who was a crafty veteran that used his quickness to ignite the bench at times. They also still had David Lee, the forgotten man, who actually played a huge role in beating the Cavs, because the Cavs tried to double team Curry and he would find Lee or Green at the top of the key to drive or kick it out, which they did over and over and over and the Cavs never adjusted. They of course won the ship and a dynasty was born through the draft and with solid FA signings as well as bringing in the perfect coach for their team in Kerr.

    So he the Bulls stand coming off a miserable year which was expected. We have a young core in Dunn/Lavine/Lauri/Portis. We have the 7th and 22nd pick in this years draft. We have boatloads of money ready to be spent on veterans once this core shows signs of life, likely 2019/20 or 2020/21. How could we make the most of this years draft?

    I'd start by drafting Mikal Bridges at 7th overall. Like Barnes he is a 3 and D, but unlike Barnes, who shot 43/35/73 in college, Bridges is crazy efficient shooting 53/40/85 in college. He's also arguably the best wing defender in this draft. It's a similar move to the Warriors, but I feel with a better player. With our 22nd pick I would go a different route than the Warriors. Rather than drafting a big, where we are already fairly deep, I would take the best bench Combo guard available. That to me is Dante DiVencenzo. He's a freak athlete, he's young, he plays defense, he can run some point, he shoots well from deep, and he is a gamer. He also provides depth behind Lavine who is coming off an ACL injury. I'd make sure we keep Nwaba around as a defensive specialist off the bench. We all saw what a nightmare he was for our opponents, especially late in games last year.

    While the Warriors had Defense at the 2/3/4 in their starting lineup, we would be built a little different. Our defense would come from the 1/3/5 spots. Dunn and Mikal would be the stoppers with Rolo clogging up the paint. On the bench we would have DiVencenzo a versatile 2 way player/combo guard and Nwaba D'ing up the opponents best scoring options, and we'd have Portis as our scoring big and Valentine as a spot up shoot and semi facilitator.

    I still think we would be a bench PG and a rim protector away from being great. I'd go for a cheaper option at PG and shoot for the stars to bring Anthony Davis home in 2020/21!!! Similar to how the Warriors went for Durant. I'd use Valentine and Portis as potential trade bait rather than paying them big money and ruining the chance at signing a big time FA. That's for when we are ready for our finished product though. The Warriors won the championship before they were a finished product. They were built so well that they allowed the rich to get richer!

    Dunn/Lavine/Mikal/Lauri/AD
    (19 or 20 Vet)/DiVencenzo/Nwaba/Valentine/Portis

    That core would be able to compete with anyone in the league.

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    The way our current rookies contracts are kind of work out perfectly too. Lavine gets paid this year and Bobby next, but we will still have enough money for a max in 2020 or 2021 because Dunn and Lauri aren't due until 2021 and 2022.

    So if we go big man like Carter/Bamba this year, we shoot for Kawhi in 2020.

    If we go for Porter or Mikal this year, we shoot for AD in 2021.

    That would be my plans 1A and 1B. I prefer the Mikal/Porter and AD plan. The ages just match up so perfectly, and the homecoming story to turn the Bulls back into a dynasty is too juicy.

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    Except we don't have a Stephen or klay for that matter. So you are skipping a HUGE step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownbullsBG7 View Post
    Except we don't have a Stephen or klay for that matter. So you are skipping a HUGE step.
    It also took these guys several years to become what they are now. Steph didn't even make the Playoffs until year 3, won a title in year 6 & 8.

    The only guy we currently have that has a chance (IMO) to be of that caliber is Lauri and that could still be a solid 4-5 years away. I sincerely doubt the rebuild is suddenly over by 2020 or 2021.

    We're still 2-3 high end players and probably a coach away from that point. That's all with the expectation that things go smoothly too. I feel like this is still going to take several more years, 3-5 would be my guess unless this next pick is a Superstar from day one (which seems very unlikely).

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