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  1. #256
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    Quote Originally Posted by CP_414 View Post
    They are 2 games out with only 122 to go. It's over man. Who can we trade in July?
    Hey, if your magic Texas instrument says we are, by golly, all aboard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CP_414 View Post
    They are 2 games out with only 122 to go. It's over man. Who can we trade in July?
    We have, by far, the most talented team in the division. We're currently in 4th place. I believe we make the playoffs, but I don't blame the guy for being frustrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOwolfOL View Post
    Lol what? He's been a high leverage guy for the last 3 years and has been quite effective for us.
    You might want to check his numbers in low-level and high-level situations

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    Cubs at Braves IGT

    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Hey, if your magic Texas instrument says we are, by golly, all aboard!
    Nope it's over. It was a good run. Russell is Theriot. Rizzo is Choi. They can't come back from a whole game down in the loss column in the next 122 games. The past is irrelevant. The future doesn't exist. It's all about today and they lost today, so they suck. Trade everyone!* Numbers are for nerds. Everyone is obtuse.

    *except Javy, he's the best


    Ask me anything. Iggles.
    Last edited by CP_414; 05-16-2018 at 11:05 PM.

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    Cubs at Braves IGT

    Quote Originally Posted by ChiTownPacerFan View Post
    We have, by far, the most talented team in the division. We're currently in 4th place. I believe we make the playoffs, but I don't blame the guy for being frustrated.
    That's not how baseball works. All the best teams don't go wire to wire. Typically the best team wins out over 162, but they don't always lead throughout the whole season.

    The Cardinals are also very good. Milwaukee has a great bullpen, but overall the Brewers and pirates are playing over their heads right now. In the end, the Cubs and Cards will probably battle for the division and Milwaukee should be close. That's what my calculator told me anyway.

    And who cares about 4th place in mid may? They are literally 1 game in the loss column (2 in the standings) out of first.
    Last edited by CP_414; 05-16-2018 at 11:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Playoffs? Lol.
    Saving this one for later

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILMindState View Post
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    Are they playing like a playoff team?

    If this is a team thatís going to be relevant in October, they must play better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CP_414 View Post
    Nope it's over. It was a good run. Russell is Theriot. Rizzo is Choi. They can't come back from a whole game down in the loss column in the next 122 games. The past is irrelevant. The future doesn't exist. It's all about today and they lost today, so they suck. Trade everyone!* Numbers are for nerds. Everyone is obtuse.

    *except Javy, he's the best


    Ask me anything. Iggles.
    Sell sell sell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WOwolfOL View Post
    Chatwood could have. Joe just thinks he has this invulnerable pen that can pitch 60% of the innings.
    Infuriating. If thereís anyone who you leave out there to eat innings in a game like tonight, itís chatwood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CP_414 View Post
    That's not how baseball works. All the best teams don't go wire to wire. Typically the best team wins out over 162, but they don't always lead throughout the whole season.

    The Cardinals are also very good. Milwaukee has a great bullpen, but overall the Brewers and pirates are playing over their heads right now. In the end, the Cubs and Cards will probably battle for the division and Milwaukee should be close. That's what my calculator told me anyway.

    And who cares about 4th place in mid may? They are literally 1 game in the loss column (2 in the standings) out of first.
    The Brewers and Pirates are average teams. The Cardinals are probably slightly above average. On talent, our team is elite. We shouldn't be in contention with these teams. We shouldn't just be in first place. We should be building a nice gap between us and the rest of the division right now.

    Yes, I understand this isn't the NBA, and teams don't quite dominate consistently. However, we should simply being winning more games. We're about a quarter of the way through the season, and we've shown no signs of being dominant.

    It's not just the division, we have the 8th best record in the national league. That doesn't scream top tier team. It certainly doesn't sound like a championship team. By comparison, Oakland has the 8th best record in the American League. This team should never be in the same position as Oakland.

    Bottom line. It's okay to be worried.

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    I think one time somebody put the stats in front of Maddon showing how any pitcher fares on average against a lineup when facing it for the third time through the order (which is of course, statistically poorly, and that has of course *always* been the case as long as baseball has existed) and he decided from that juncture forward he never wanted his pitchers to do that again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by turnaround3 View Post
    I think one time somebody put the stats in front of Maddon showing how any pitcher fares on average against a lineup when facing it for the third time through the order (which is of course, statistically poorly, and that has of course *always* been the case as long as baseball has existed) and he decided from that juncture forward he never wanted his pitchers to do that again.
    I think Chatwood was pulled because of the success Freeman has had against him in the past. Not saying I agree with the decision. But I believe that was the reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Are they playing like a playoff team?

    If this is a team thatís going to be relevant in October, they must play better.
    I think after 40 games they are fine. They have not played well so far. But determining if a team is a playoff team after 40 games is ridiculous. Yes, to win in the playoffs they have to play better than they are right now. However, nothing that has happened so far this year has had me questioning the talent. Baseball is a marathon, not a sprint. And if there is one thing about Maddon teams over the years it is that after the break they seem to play much better. If the Cubs can tread water and be maybe 8 to 10 games over 500 at the break I feel they will be fine in the last 75 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcal10 View Post
    I think Chatwood was pulled because of the success Freeman has had against him in the past. Not saying I agree with the decision. But I believe that was the reason.
    It probably was but he still pulls the starter when facing somewhere between 1 and 3 in the lineup for the third time way, way more frequently than is probably necessary, particularly if he wants to preserve our top-end bullpen for the lengthy postseason run in which he hopes to participate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by turnaround3 View Post
    It probably was but he still pulls the starter when facing somewhere between 1 and 3 in the lineup for the third time way, way more frequently than is probably necessary, particularly if he wants to preserve our top-end bullpen for the lengthy postseason run in which he hopes to participate.
    Agreed. Chatwood looked good last night. I would have rather he stayed in. I am just pointing out why he did it. Even if leaving him in cost the Cubs in that inning, I think it was worth the risk. He might not have given up a run and they could have gotten another inning out of him. That would have helped the pen and given him some confidence. And even if he did falter the game is in May. This was the perfect situation to see what they had in Chatwood, IMO.

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