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  1. #76
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    Again though guys... The defense is not the issue. You legit need to score 130 to compete.

    I think OG has a Leonard ceiling with more 3's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pebloemer View Post
    I'm curious how others feel about this comparison. At their best, they were top seed in the Eastern Conference and they started losing their core after consecutive sweeps at the hands of Cleveland. There have been debates about not wanting to become the Hawks previous years in this forum - and that being used as an argument to blow it up. Over the past 2 days I've heard a lot of Mike Budenholzer's name. While I recognize forums have a lot of voices and not all say the same thing, it still rings as slightly ironic.
    Considering Budenholzer coached the Hawks, he’s a good fit to coach a similar good but not great team. However, I don’t see why MU would hire the coach that also couldn’t get his team over the hump (since we’re expecting magic). Similarly, I hear calls for Spurs coaches to be hired. Now that they don’t have the super elite Duncan, they are also struggling. They have no hope of beating GSW in the near future. There are no magic coaching cures for almost good enough talent. We are the Hawks v2. We knew that when MU tried to trade Lowry. It has come true. The questions for MU are:

    - does he really think this roster can win a championship?
    - will hiring a new coach merely be a cosmetic move to keep restless fans satisfied with regular season success (because that’s likely all we’ll get)? It will be a delay move and you can’t blame them for riding the revenue this good team generates.
    - how long will MU try with this roster?
    - how will he restock talent or better yet, upgrade talent, with no lottery picks?
    - how many years do these Raptors have before they decline to the 2017-2018 Hawks’ level?

    I think these are very realistic questions. Personally I don’t think it’s worth stressing about. Accept the calibre of this team. Enjoy regular season success. Don’t spoil it with unrealistic expectations of more. The Hawks already demonstrated the success arc of a good team. That’s what we’ve got.
    Last edited by ink; 05-10-2018 at 12:03 PM.

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    With the leaps and bounds guys like Siakam, FVV, OG, Poeltl, Wright and JV have improved this season, why would anyone think this team has reached its ceiling? They are the youngest roster in the playoffs and many of them just got a good lesson this year on what its going to take to win in the NBA playoffs. The NCAA tournament is competitive, but there is no comparison to grown men being able to foul you 3 or 4 times per possession and learning to play through that kind of contact.

    I really, really like what I saw from JV in this series. Especially offensively. If he doesn't have that lapse at the end of game 1 (out of nowhere) he leads us to a win with 25 and 21. I also really liked what I saw from Siakam guarding Lebron. He's an elite defender at the 3/4 with his length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pulzar View Post
    He was just picked by other coaches, it's not the real award. That one hasn't been called yet.
    See I got fooled there. Very confusing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glenfidish View Post
    I think upon everything discussed the best solution is a change of voice. You just can’t stay pat go back at it again with Casey and get eliminated first or second round. The roof will come down. Now if there is a change of coach, it better be for someone who has experience with mental fortitude and can start preaching that stuff and preparing them as if it were playoffs everyday. Someone extremely good with changing game plan quickly to an advantage something Casey fails with every single time.

    Lastly we need another power forward like a mill sap have no clue how we can attain such player. But has to be a three point specialist as well.

    Off season put Lowry and derozan more so in the harshest conditions and train them to get out of it. Send them to navy seals grow some balls and mental fortitude.
    That's an interesting idea, that last part. I don't think a team could ever realistically take that particular approach but there are other out of the box ways to approach the psychology here. Maybe pay Tony Robbins 500 mil to spend a week exclusively with them. Masai is a smart man, smart men are open minded. He will consider everything he can if he feels he is "stuck" with this roster.

    Ha, I'm laughing about the irony of putting derozan, from Compton, in the harshest conditions and having to work to get out.

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    Last edited by Jamiecballer; 05-10-2018 at 02:05 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    With the leaps and bounds guys like Siakam, FVV, OG, Poeltl, Wright and JV have improved this season, why would anyone think this team has reached its ceiling? They are the youngest roster in the playoffs and many of them just got a good lesson this year on what its going to take to win in the NBA playoffs. The NCAA tournament is competitive, but there is no comparison to grown men being able to foul you 3 or 4 times per possession and learning to play through that kind of contact.

    I really, really like what I saw from JV in this series. Especially offensively. If he doesn't have that lapse at the end of game 1 (out of nowhere) he leads us to a win with 25 and 21. I also really liked what I saw from Siakam guarding Lebron. He's an elite defender at the 3/4 with his length.
    I know you are generally a very optimistic poster in here and in the jays forum but I actually am with you on this. There is upside here, I just don't think it will make a difference if you can't coax that upside out by putting one or more ultimately in starter roles and use the established players as trade chips. Being marginally better man 6 through 12 will not make a difference other than possibly coaxing 1 or 2 more regular season wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    Casey's comments are a ****ing joke. We were much closer in the 4 game sweep than last year. And that means what exactly? That in just 7 more trips against them, we will win one game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Again though guys... The defense is not the issue. You legit need to score 130 to compete.

    I think OG has a Leonard ceiling with more 3's.
    Playoff defense might be an issue, regular season defense was fine.

    They tend to have trouble stopping the opposing star in the playoffs.

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    The problem with this team is they don't have that crafty star. You don't need a superstar if you have an elite defense or a team oriented offense. You need that really crafty guy and or a closer. Some guys get exposed and are easier to defend in the post season when teams key in on weaknesses.

    This team has the potential to be an elite defense with the tinkering and trades. The hard part is finding the crafty players and closers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ink View Post
    Agreed. That's why i posted what i did at the beginning of the season. I couldnt see any more playoff success. I still watched and admired many things. We’re the Atlanta Hawks, folks. As much as I love many of our players, and I do, we’re the regular season Hawks, as predicted before the Wiggins draft. We’ll win in the reg season until we don’t. It will feel great at times and very bitter come playoff time because that’s when elite players raise their games. We don’t have those players and we’re not getting them unless MU pulls off a miracle.

    Not one thing that happened this year should have been a surprise. The team was great at times but doesnt have the elite talent to be a true contender. Great season though. Just forgive them for not being what we hope and imagine they are.
    Hey ink, long time! Good to see you posting again..

    The hawks comparison is dead on. 60 win team in the reg season and a 2nd round exit vs true contenders every year. That was their ceiling to me it wouldn’t matter if they fired their coach and hired a new one, which is exactly the same situation the raptors find them selves in.

    It is likely that MU will try to replace Casey for the sake of change because it will be very hard to change the roster much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    The problem with this team is they don't have that crafty star. You don't need a superstar if you have an elite defense or a team oriented offense. You need that really crafty guy and or a closer. Some guys get exposed and are easier to defend in the post season when teams key in on weaknesses.

    This team has the potential to be an elite defense with the tinkering and trades. The hard part is finding the crafty players and closers.
    I think Lowry is pretty crafty ... the real issue is consistency in post season performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Again though guys... The defense is not the issue. You legit need to score 130 to compete.

    I think OG has a Leonard ceiling with more 3's.
    thats why we can only trade him if its for a superstar in our favour

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Casey's comments are a ****ing joke. We were much closer in the 4 game sweep than last year. And that means what exactly? That in just 7 more trips against them, we will win one game?
    Honestly Mike, he's not wrong. Games 1 and 3 could have swung either way. Game 4 was a throwaway.

    But even without taking that into consideration, the coaches job is to support his team and players. It does not stop the week after the season ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nycericanguy View Post
    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    There is no comparison between OG and Kawhi other than their personality. Maybe OG can be like him defensively, but then he has ways to go.

    If you can use him in a trade package to get a player like Kawhi, you do it in a heartbeat.
    “It’s about winning,” Stoudemire said. “You win, you’re going to get on national TV. Simple. In Phoenix, we won — Western Conference finals three, four years, playoffs every year. We won. If you don’t win, nobody really wants to see you.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Hey ink, long time! Good to see you posting again..

    The hawks comparison is dead on. 60 win team in the reg season and a 2nd round exit vs true contenders every year. That was their ceiling to me it wouldn’t matter if they fired their coach and hired a new one, which is exactly the same situation the raptors find them selves in.

    It is likely that MU will try to replace Casey for the sake of change because it will be very hard to change the roster much.
    Or another comparison would be the MU Nuggets. A 60 win team that the whole world knew couldn't win in the playoffs. He drafts well and builds teams around really good players and depth. Those types of teams win lots in the regular season, but don't have the stars to win in the playoffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamiecballer View Post
    Honestly Mike, he's not wrong. Games 1 and 3 could have swung either way. Game 4 was a throwaway.

    But even without taking that into consideration, the coaches job is to support his team and players. It does not stop the week after the season ends.

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    He could have supported them in other ways. He's playing us for fools. (I don't think I would fire him, because this is a roster construction problem, not a coaching problem. No other coach can take this team further, save for maybe the two or three really elite guys). I just think it was a really poor choice of words that I found insulting more than anything. It also says that we have taken major steps backwards since the 2016 ECF when we beat Cleveland twice, which again, I don't agree with. This year's squad is better than them.

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