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  1. #1
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    Kawhi Leonard trade speculations...

    I figured I'd make a post because of the magnitude of these rumors...

    Personally I would have a difficult time if a Kawhi Leonard trade goes down... Assuming that 1 of/or both Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown are involved...

    Here are my reasons...

    1) Kawhi has 1 more year on his contract (player option after that)...
    2) Kawhi's injury is a wee bit concerning, especially since Hayward is coming back from a bad injury... Oh and yes Kyrie had season ending knee surgery...
    3) The KG and Ray Ray trades gave up what player wise...??? Big AL was the centerpiece... Nothing against Big AL, but IMO he's no way near what JB's and JT's promising future... Plus the pick given to Minny was top 3 protected...
    4) Kawhi is gonna be 27 in June... Getting to his prime, but then what...???
    5) IMO, the KG and Ray Ray trades pretty much guaranteed that 07'/08' title (should have been 08'/09' also)...

    I probably missed some of points, but bottom line... No to a Kawhi trade if JB/JT are involved...
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    I'd be ok with getting Kawhi and ok with not getting him. I think we have enough talent to win now if we can stay healthy. Plus we still have a bunch of future assets. At the same time it would be tough to pass up a player with his talents for the right price. I wouldn't break the bank. I would do something like Horford, Brown, and our own draft pick in 2019. I doubt that would get it done though. A lineup of Kyrie, Hayward, Leonard, and Tatum would be something though.

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    No way would I give up Brown or Tatum. What leverage does SA have if expiring Kawhi misses the entire postseason after playing only 9 RS games?

    C's need to also be mindful of building around injured players, as mentioned above.

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    Any other time I’d jump on a Khawi trade...

    But we have Hayward/Tatum/Brown/Morris playing basically the same spot as him...idk

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    You guys are insane. Kawhi is a top 5 player in the league when healthy and truthfully, I think him being out has nothing to do with his “injury” at this point. It’s been said by Jalen Rose (among others) that he just doesn’t like the Spurs organization.

    I would gladly give up Jaylen Brown if it meant going into next season with a core of Kyrie/Hayward/Leonard/Tatum. Hayward/Leonard/Tatum can guard 2-4 interchangeably (and sometimes 5s in small ball lineups). That’s a core that has a top 5 player in Kawhi, a top 10 player in Kyrie, and 3 top 30-40 players between Horford/Hayward/Tatum (even if Hayward doesn’t get his legs back until 3/4 of the way through next season).

    Not only that, these guys are young. You build around Kyrie/Leonard in the short term, give Tatum a max deal when Horford/Hayward expire, and enjoy the ride for basically 6-7 years.

    I get wanting to hold onto Jaylen hoping that he becomes Kawhi but why do that when you can just go get Kawhi? You might not even need to empty the treasure trove of draft picks to do it.

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    I'm not giving up Brown or Tatum for Kawhi. Brown is a player that is well on his way to being a Kawhi type player with his defense and scoring. Brown is only 21 yrs old and is ahead of schedule compared to Kawhis growth. Brown shot almost 40 percent from 3. Tatum is a stud, I'm only giving up one of these guys if it brings in an Anthony Davis or Karl Anthony Towns type of player. I believe Brown and Tatums upside as a Guard/Forward is tremendous and would not trade them for a player who is 6-7 yrs older, plays the same position, coming off an injury plagued season, and will cost a ton of money

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    I'm liking the responses versus the bashing... I think there are at least a dozen or so posters I would like to read their point of view...
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    Quote Originally Posted by corky831 View Post
    I'm not giving up Brown or Tatum for Kawhi. Brown is a player that is well on his way to being a Kawhi type player with his defense and scoring. Brown is only 21 yrs old and is ahead of schedule compared to Kawhis growth. Brown shot almost 40 percent from 3. Tatum is a stud, I'm only giving up one of these guys if it brings in an Anthony Davis or Karl Anthony Towns type of player. I believe Brown and Tatums upside as a Guard/Forward is tremendous and would not trade them for a player who is 6-7 yrs older, plays the same position, coming off an injury plagued season, and will cost a ton of money
    You’re hoping Brown reaches that potential. Kawhi is Jaylen’s ceiling but there’s no guarantee he hits that ceiling. Jaylen is 21 and Kawhi is 26, it’s not like you’re trading a 21 year old for someone on the back end of their prime. Kawhi is squarely in his prime and will likely be the better overall player.

    Kawhi averaged 12/6/1.6 on 49%/37%/82% with 1.7 steals and 0.6 blocks in his age 21 season (2 less shots per game than Jaylen).

    Jaylen averaged 14.5/5/1.6 on 46%/39%/64% with 1 steal and 0.4 blocks in his age 21 season.

    To say he’s “ahead of schedule compared to Kawhi’s growth” just isn’t true. Kawhi was a better shooter and better defensive player at the same age.

    I don’t want to be labeled as someone that isn’t a Brown supporter. I love the kid. But I would certainly give up Brown for Kawhi while we’re in Kyrie/Hayward’s prime and before the beginning of Horford’s downswing.

    I don’t give Tatum up for anyone. Brown is the trade chip.

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    Now the question is, can Kawhi continue to play at that level especially after having this chronic injury that knocked him out for the entire season, especially since he's one step closer to 30 and his athleticism will begin to deteriorate? In a trade for him, it'll be Brown + other pieces. Is an older Kawhi coming off injury better long term worth sacrificing a much younger and rapidly improving Brown plus roster depth, maybe even Tatum?

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    I thought this gave some decent points when I read it last week. It's just a fan post over at celtics blog. But it brought up great points

    https://www.celticsblog.com/2018/4/9...-boston-rumors

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    Quote Originally Posted by BostonBoy View Post
    You’re hoping Brown reaches that potential. Kawhi is Jaylen’s ceiling but there’s no guarantee he hits that ceiling. Jaylen is 21 and Kawhi is 26, it’s not like you’re trading a 21 year old for someone on the back end of their prime. Kawhi is squarely in his prime and will likely be the better overall player.

    Kawhi averaged 12/6/1.6 on 49%/37%/82% with 1.7 steals and 0.6 blocks in his age 21 season (2 less shots per game than Jaylen).

    Jaylen averaged 14.5/5/1.6 on 46%/39%/64% with 1 steal and 0.4 blocks in his age 21 season.

    To say he’s “ahead of schedule compared to Kawhi’s growth” just isn’t true. Kawhi was a better shooter and better defensive player at the same age.

    I don’t want to be labeled as someone that isn’t a Brown supporter. I love the kid. But I would certainly give up Brown for Kawhi while we’re in Kyrie/Hayward’s prime and before the beginning of Horford’s downswing.

    I don’t give Tatum up for anyone. Brown is the trade chip.
    I'd try to hold off till the trade line if possible to see if he is healthy and playing well. Juat because we would have have 3 injury prone super stars in KI KL GH. If 2 2 go down at a time we are screwedd. No way Tatum goes if I'm Danny

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    Yes but only under specific terms.

    First off, let's just state the obvious. SAS is going to do everything they can to keep and build around Kawhi Leonard. BUT, there does seem to be something going on behind the scenes more than a hamstring injury. So if whatever that is, can't be fixed...We're talking about a premier player in the NBA (who now has some baggage) being available. This will slightly devalue his market but he would still be heavily sought after.

    Second. The SAS are a world class organization and other top organizations generally don't trade with each other. Why? Because when a top organization makes a trade, they win. In the NBA there are VERY few win win trades in the long run.

    So 2 things here. 1. If he's available, let's say yes he is. 2. Proceed with caution because SAS is not stupid.

    I'd start the conversation off with...Our "big 3" is not on the table. (Kyrie, Hayward, Horford). Keeping them all. SAS probably isn't interested in the big 3 anyways because moving Kawhi signals rebuild. So getting back players rounding the top of their prime hill, won't likely be their targets. BUT, SAS will start the conversation with Tatum - to which I say, hard no.

    That leaves us Brown (who I love, but prefer Tatum overall long term).

    With Brown as the center piece, SAS will likely engage in talks.

    From here I propose the following.

    Brown
    Rozier
    Morris
    Yabusele
    Nader
    2019 BOS first
    2019 LAC first

    Another team would be hard-pressed to beat that offer. 2 young players who have playoff experience and performed in big moments. Both on rookie contracts and controllable for 2-3 years. A solid vet who can score. A young project player in Yabusele and 2 draft picks. It's not an unbeatable offer, but it's a good offer.

    It's hard to see Rozier go with the way he is playing right now, but long term it makes sense. Eventually we're going to have to let some guys go due to cap restraints....Smart, Rozier, Brown, Tatum (in order) will need to be paid some big money to be retained in the near future. With big contracts already in place (Hayward, Kyrie on a MAX, Horford) it's going to be near impossible to pay them all. This trade actually helps solve that issue for us. With Rozier playing at a starting caliber he's going to be near peak trade value right now, especially with another year at low money and a RFA the following year.

    SAS can re-build around Brown/Rozier...As we're witnessing now, they're a legit backcourt pair. They bring it all - defense - scoring - athleticism - youth, and they're at bargain prices for the next few years. This are perfect corner stones to rebuild around.

    Where does that leave us? With Smart as a pending Free Agent, and a season filled with turmoil, his stock is low and it's the perfect offseason to get him back at or below market value because not many teams will have the money to spend on a player like him. So the ability to sell high on Rozier and retain Smart aids this move and lessens the blow of losing Rozier, a player we're watching blossom before our eyes.

    Projected lineup

    PG- Kyrie Irving
    SG - Gordon Hayward
    SF - Kawhi Leonard
    PF - Jayson Tatum
    C - Al Horford
    6th - Marcus Smart

    I would argue, assuming health, that is a championship caliber top 6. We have an exception at our disposal, and my inclination would be to bring back Greg Monroe with that, which allows us to let Aron Baynes walk. Daniel Theis will be back to add some versatile depth. Shane Larkin can be brought back as PG #3 on cheap money. And Semi Ojeleye returns as well.

    We would have our own 2018 draft pick to add another depth piece. We should be able to fill out the roster with vet players chasing rings.

    Irving
    Hayward
    Leonard
    Tatum
    Horford
    Smart
    Monroe
    Thies
    Vet SG
    Vet SF
    2018 first rounder
    Ojeleye
    Larkin
    Last edited by Oakmont_4; 04-18-2018 at 07:51 PM.

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