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  1. #61
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    Least extreme: changing odds/number of picks drawn. Still gives best chance to worst teams. Does not fix tanking at all. To clarify: as long as there is reason to be worst someone will tank.

    Most extreme: loser's bracket. Gives best chance to best non-playoff team, virtually ensures bad teams stay bad. Just moves tanking from the bottom to tanking out of the playoffs.

    The middle, reasonable approach: FLAT LOTTERY, with half odds to 1st round losers. Rewards making the playoffs, does not reward losing while also not actively punishing teams for being bad. Not complicated, no chance of collusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    Least extreme: changing odds/number of picks drawn. Still gives best chance to worst teams. Does not fix tanking at all. To clarify: as long as there is reason to be worst someone will tank.

    Most extreme: loser's bracket. Gives best chance to best non-playoff team, virtually ensures bad teams stay bad. Just moves tanking from the bottom to tanking out of the playoffs.

    The middle, reasonable approach: FLAT LOTTERY, with half odds to 1st round losers. Rewards making the playoffs, does not reward losing while also not actively punishing teams for being bad. Not complicated, no chance of collusion.
    Yup. Only reason I argue tiers is to give some hope to the bad of the bad to get help. Including in the last 2 seeds on both sides will encourage teams to not tank out of the playoffs.

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    Also: Any idea that can lead to the slightest bit of collusion or corruption will not go through.

    This is why the wheel will never get put in place. #1 2020 recruit goes to Duke. Memphis is the #1 upcoming pick in the 2021 draft, but is 20-62. 2022 Portland is the #1 pick, and at the end of the 2021 season is in the WCF. Why would that recruit come out in 2021 knowing he'll be on a bad team with a slim shot at great help, when he can wait a year and go to a top playoff team the next year?

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    Its easy to keep teams from tanking.

    You cant have a top 5 draft pick every year.

    Say you get the #1 pick this year and you still end up with the worst record.
    The best you can do the following year is the #6 pick.

    After 5 years your bumped out of the lottery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKLYNpigeon View Post
    Its easy to keep teams from tanking.

    You cant have a top 5 draft pick every year.

    Say you get the #1 pick this year and you still end up with the worst record.
    The best you can do the following year is the #6 pick.

    After 5 years your bumped out of the lottery.
    Except teams tank for more than 2 years. #1, #6, and #1 seems like a pretty good 3yr haul to a rebuilding GM. This doesn't eliminate tanking, it just prolongs it.

    And what happens when you get #5? Then you have zero shot at #1 the next year, even if your #5 pick is injured all year or legitimately terrible? #5 is a very arbitrary line to draw. #3 makes more sense bc #1-3 are the actual lottery picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Also: Any idea that can lead to the slightest bit of collusion or corruption will not go through.

    This is why the wheel will never get put in place. #1 2020 recruit goes to Duke. Memphis is the #1 upcoming pick in the 2021 draft, but is 20-62. 2022 Portland is the #1 pick, and at the end of the 2021 season is in the WCF. Why would that recruit come out in 2021 knowing he'll be on a bad team with a slim shot at great help, when he can wait a year and go to a top playoff team the next year?
    +1. predetermined draft order means players will delay coming out to get on better teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Tiered lottery including the 7th and 8th seed is the solution no one ever comments on but is the best really.
    9 teams tanked this year, the incentive is reduced a little to get into the top tier but there is still reason to tank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    9 teams tanked this year, the incentive is reduced a little to get into the top tier but there is still reason to tank.
    So what. Teams in all sports tank. You'll never fully get rid of it without unraveling some level of competitive balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Also: Any idea that can lead to the slightest bit of collusion or corruption will not go through.

    This is why the wheel will never get put in place. #1 2020 recruit goes to Duke. Memphis is the #1 upcoming pick in the 2021 draft, but is 20-62. 2022 Portland is the #1 pick, and at the end of the 2021 season is in the WCF. Why would that recruit come out in 2021 knowing he'll be on a bad team with a slim shot at great help, when he can wait a year and go to a top playoff team the next year?
    But it absolutely solves tanking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    +1. predetermined draft order means players will delay coming out to get on better teams.
    Yup. Then you could get something like "Hey kid, if you come out this year Nike will give you a $15mil contract since you'll be in Utah, but if you wait til next year we'll give you $50mil for being in NYC."

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    So what. Teams in all sports tank. You'll never fully get rid of it without unraveling some level of competitive balance.
    So there has to be some sort of system that encourages tanking right? So it comes down to the least offensive system that reduces tanking and I have yet to see one of those that doesn't also mess with competitive balance in some way. Including "my" team draft order and "your" tiered lottery.

    I think "my" draft order team selection gives the worst teams the best chance to get the best pick while also trying to build a team to win.

    You think "your" tiered draft does the best job.

    I think Indy prefers the flat odds lottery, but I'm not certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BKLYNpigeon View Post
    Its easy to keep teams from tanking.

    You cant have a top 5 draft pick every year.

    Say you get the #1 pick this year and you still end up with the worst record.
    The best you can do the following year is the #6 pick.

    After 5 years your bumped out of the lottery.

    I don't get that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    +1. predetermined draft order means players will delay coming out to get on better teams.
    I think that was his point. I agree, but it absolutely "solves" tanking.

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    There is also doing away with the draft entirely, and the "rookie pool" each team has can be sized by their cap and their finishing place the previous year so the teams with the best record have the least money to spend on rookies. Probably have to have some sort of limitation on the quality of the prospects any team can sign too to try to force some semblance of balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Also: Any idea that can lead to the slightest bit of collusion or corruption will not go through.

    This is why the wheel will never get put in place. #1 2020 recruit goes to Duke. Memphis is the #1 upcoming pick in the 2021 draft, but is 20-62. 2022 Portland is the #1 pick, and at the end of the 2021 season is in the WCF. Why would that recruit come out in 2021 knowing he'll be on a bad team with a slim shot at great help, when he can wait a year and go to a top playoff team the next year?
    im not for this idea but said player gets their own team and a chance to shine and develop within the instant pressure of contributing to a contender who a star or 2 in place already. The team can build around the player much easier and will have the money free to give a big extension to when the time comes while a team in the WCF may be maxed out or close by then.
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