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  1. #286
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    I saw you guys talking about your lineup construction. If you don't mind, I'm gonna chime in.

    Cain
    Yelich
    Aguilar
    Thames
    Shaw
    Saladino
    Villar
    Pina

    I want my best hitters, and guys that get on base to get the most at bats as possible over the course of the season.

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    I agree with that. I think you can consider swapping guys based upon righty lefty at times, but generally I agree. I also think Shaw showed last year that heís a pretty good hitter, so I donít mind him in the 4 spot.

    And for me, I actually donít hate thames near the top as well. Heís a low average/high obp guy. I like those guys at the top, where a single and a walk are virtually the same. When you have them down at 5, especially with the drop we have at 6, a single may be more valuable than a walk since itís more likely that guys will be on. So something like thames, yellich, Cain, Aguilar, Shaw isnít terrible in my mind either.

    But those are all sort of slightly situational things. I tend to agree in general with your assessment. Put your best hitters at the top and maximize their plate appearances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    I agree with that. I think you can consider swapping guys based upon righty lefty at times, but generally I agree. I also think Shaw showed last year that heís a pretty good hitter, so I donít mind him in the 4 spot.

    And for me, I actually donít hate thames near the top as well. Heís a low average/high obp guy. I like those guys at the top, where a single and a walk are virtually the same. When you have them down at 5, especially with the drop we have at 6, a single may be more valuable than a walk since itís more likely that guys will be on. So something like thames, yellich, Cain, Aguilar, Shaw isnít terrible in my mind either.

    But those are all sort of slightly situational things. I tend to agree in general with your assessment. Put your best hitters at the top and maximize their plate appearances.
    I like to have continuity in the lineup and have it be similar if possible on a daily basis. Thames isn't a 4-hitter to me. To me I like him at 6 if a trade is made for Escobar who I hope they get. I rather have him than Dozier as he can play multiple positions and in case of injury provides cover at multiple spots. I would go Cain-Escobar-Yelich-Aguilar-Shaw-Thames-Saladino-Pina. Yelich and Escobar and Saladino and Pina can be switched also. Versus a lefty starter I would have Braun where Thames is. With Braun and Thames there and Escobar acquisition the lineup would have more depth and those 5 are better hitters than Thames anyway. But Thames power would be extremely valuable in the 6 spot.

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    I do agree though if no acquisition it's interesting to me who to put at lead off. Cain or Thames? I think Cain. But am not tied to that. Cain-Yelich-Aguilar-Shaw-Braun/Thames-Saladino-Villar-Pina

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    What about getting a guy like Sonny Gray, Kevin Gausman, or Zach Wheeler. I think each guy has some ace type stuff still, is controllable past this year, and wouldn't cost a ton in prospect value. I also like Jordan Zimmerman as a bounceback low cost option but that would depend on how much of his contract Detriot would take. I read that we are looking at Dozier after missing Machado, I like Dozier a lot but would rather go after Escobar because he can play short and if Saladino continues to play strong he could play 2B. I think my #1 target is probably Wilson Ramos, he would fit into the team dynamic and would provide the biggest boost (outside of a #1 pitcher). I wonder if we could send Santana to a team in a 3 team deal and land a solid starter or help up the middle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay87shot View Post
    What about getting a guy like Sonny Gray, Kevin Gausman, or Zach Wheeler. I think each guy has some ace type stuff still, is controllable past this year, and wouldn't cost a ton in prospect value. I also like Jordan Zimmerman as a bounceback low cost option but that would depend on how much of his contract Detriot would take. I read that we are looking at Dozier after missing Machado, I like Dozier a lot but would rather go after Escobar because he can play short and if Saladino continues to play strong he could play 2B. I think my #1 target is probably Wilson Ramos, he would fit into the team dynamic and would provide the biggest boost (outside of a #1 pitcher). I wonder if we could send Santana to a team in a 3 team deal and land a solid starter or help up the middle.
    A lot depends on health of Ramos as he's out through July with hammy injury I believe. Could get real cheap and help as we probably at least losing 2 of 3 vs Dodgers to start looking at pitching matchups. Is Braun back with 3 lefties to face vs. LAD? I completely agree on rather getting Escobar over Dozier.

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    The gray thing is interesting. I canít imagine the yanks actually deal him, but heís been bad. Iíve always been a Gausman believer, but at some point, you just kind of have to think itís never going to fully come together. Iím kinda there with him. And wheeler is interesting too. If the price is right, heís worth a chance, but Iím not sure what the price will be. Heís been pretty decent over the last month, but wasnít that great prior to that stretch.

    I guess my concern with all those guys is we donít need another 4th starter. As you said, they all do have some legit upside. But I also worry that they all also have some major downside. We have a ton of mid to back end starters and we can add guys like peralta, burnes and woodruff to that list soon too. We need to find front line guys. And I like where your head is at, since these guys may have that upside without the major price tag, but Iím not sure how I feel about them.

    And Iím a dozier fan. Heíll be cheap, but he has a track record of big 2nd half performances. If he repeats that this year, I could see him and Escobar experiencing different regression. I still think Escobar comes back down to earth and dozier could get better. I wouldnít be surprised at all if dozier is the better player over the 2nd half.

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    WTF Counsell sets Miley and Suter sandwiched around Anderson to start 2H against Dodgers' Hill-Kershaw-Wood....yikes. Could be a 9-game losing streak...unless Miley can beat Wood tonight IMO. Brewers middle of the order is meh right now and Shaw facing tough lefties won't help. Anderson been mediocre at best this year also..but not sure why Chacin who has been Brewers best starter for most of the season isn't throwing in first series after the break.

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