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  1. #46
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    they will still find a way to mess this up. Draft Barkley 1 and a QB at 4

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    From 0 to 10 wins in one season with Tyrod Taylor at QB? Okay. lol
    It's not as crazy as you're making it seem.

    I would not be surprised (depending on our remaining offseason) if this team can push 10 games next year. While we were 0-16, we absolutely hit rock bottom. We did as bad as we could do and we did it with a severely depleted roster. Simulate the 2017 season again (especially if healthy) and it's entirely possible we win 3 or 4 games instead of 0.

    Subtract the guy with the most total turnovers in the league in Kizer (22 interceptions, 6 fumbles lost)

    Then add Tyrod Taylor (4 interceptions, 2 fumbles lost)
    Jarvis Landry
    Josh Gordon (suspended most of year)
    Corey Coleman (injured most of year)
    Garrett (injured)
    Collins (injured)
    Thomas (injured)
    Ogbah (injured)

    add those guys for a full year, along with additional free agency options, the 1st and 4th round picks in the draft and 3 2nd round picks, continued development for our talented young guys (Peppers, Nassib, Ogunjobi, Shelton, Schobert, Njoku) and you got a team poised to make a huge turn-around.

    The 1-15 Miami Dolphins had a 10-game turn-around and went 11-5 the following year. Assuming full health (big assumption), it's not impossible for the Browns to make a similar kind of turn-around and be fighting for a wildcard.
    Last edited by Vee-Rex; 03-10-2018 at 11:45 AM.
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    The Browns are trading DT Danny Shelton to the Patriots for a conditional pick, league sources tell @AdamSchefter and me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
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    The Browns are trading DT Danny Shelton to the Patriots for a conditional pick, league sources tell @AdamSchefter and me.
    wtf is going on... Shelton helped a lot with our good run defense...
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    Has to be part of a bigger trade?
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    Mid-round pick swap I'm hearing.

    Someone lock Dorsey in a closet somewhere until draft time. He has done enough so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
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    The Browns are trading DT Danny Shelton to the Patriots for a conditional pick, league sources tell @AdamSchefter and me.
    Well that's interesting. He's a good player. Conditional draft pick can't mean very much in return.

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    Interesting for NE. We have Malcolm Brown, Lawrence Guy, Adam Butler and Vincent Valentine at DT right now. Brown is a run stuffer without much pass rush. Butler is a pass rush specialist but nothing special (good for an UDFA last year). Valentine was a rotational run stuffer with no pass rush as a rookie in '16 before missing last year. Guy is kind of a pass rusher but not anything great. So another run stuffer in Shelton is an interesting add. I would have thought we'd be looking for more inside pass rush.

    I mentioned in another thread that NE is supposedly interested in Vaccaro. I wonder if they want to go small in the front 7 and compensate by always having a big run stuffer on the field. Basically run a base "4-2" sub defense with Flowers as one "DT" next to a run stuffer. Van Noy/Hightower as the "DEs" and then Chung/Vaccaro as the "LBs". In today's NFL I think that could work.


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  9. #54
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    Another jettisoned D player NE gets that can be utilized better in their system than with other teams'.

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    Adam Schefter reported that it's Shelton and a Browns 2018 fifth-round pick to the Patriots for the Patriots' third-round pick in 2019.
    Welp, there it goes. Don't feel great about it but at least we get a 3rd round pick out of it even if it's next year's.
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    seems such an odd trade....not like he was a cap buster, so why the trade?
    here's a good DT, and here's a pick....nah, we don't need nuttin' right now, just a pick next year is fine

    I mean that 5th they gave up is basically a late 4th......and the 3rd they get back is essentially an early 4th
    So they're giving up Shelton to move from late 4th this year to early 4th next year
    Last edited by SiteWolf; 03-10-2018 at 02:19 PM.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    seems such an odd trade....not like he was a cap buster, so why the trade?
    here's a good DT, and here's a pick....nah, we don't need nuttin' right now, just a pick next year is fine

    I mean that 5th they gave up is basically a late 4th......and the 3rd they get back is essentially an early 4th
    So they're giving up Shelton to move from late 4th this year to early 4th next year
    Well 1 thatís bound to be a 40-45 pick difference. And 2 they are saying Gregg Williams didnít like his fit with the scheme.

    Likely because he wouldnít pay into bounties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Well 1 thatís bound to be a 40-45 pick difference. And 2 they are saying Gregg Williams didnít like his fit with the scheme.

    Likely because he wouldnít pay into bounties.
    And 3... Run stuffing DT's aren't very hard to find.

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    I think they were better off signing Allen Robinson instead of trading for Jarvis Landry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vee-Rex View Post
    It's not as crazy as you're making it seem.

    I would not be surprised (depending on our remaining offseason) if this team can push 10 games next year. While we were 0-16, we absolutely hit rock bottom. We did as bad as we could do and we did it with a severely depleted roster. Simulate the 2017 season again (especially if healthy) and it's entirely possible we win 3 or 4 games instead of 0.

    Subtract the guy with the most total turnovers in the league in Kizer (22 interceptions, 6 fumbles lost)

    Then add Tyrod Taylor (4 interceptions, 2 fumbles lost)
    Jarvis Landry
    Josh Gordon (suspended most of year)
    Corey Coleman (injured most of year)
    Garrett (injured)
    Collins (injured)
    Thomas (injured)
    Ogbah (injured)

    add those guys for a full year, along with additional free agency options, the 1st and 4th round picks in the draft and 3 2nd round picks, continued development for our talented young guys (Peppers, Nassib, Ogunjobi, Shelton, Schobert, Njoku) and you got a team poised to make a huge turn-around.

    The 1-15 Miami Dolphins had a 10-game turn-around and went 11-5 the following year. Assuming full health (big assumption), it's not impossible for the Browns to make a similar kind of turn-around and be fighting for a wildcard.
    The biggest two factors people overlook is that the worse team last year get's to go against the other worst teams. And that the more successful a team was the more players on that team who will be given raises forcing a few cuts that otherwise they wouldn't make.

    If I'm the Browns, I'm trying to see if a late round pick and a lot of guaranteed money can steal Leveon Bell away from the Steelers. Allows you to trade back and then go defense with your picks, also takes away Ben's biggest support and increases the liklihood that he get's injured.

    I'm normally against overpaying players, but there are so many extra advantages that would come with that deal.

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