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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Nah...PSD isn't bringing this cluster **** together. Quite the opposite.

    Anyway, Google ad blocker. Installed it a few weeks ago, and magic....no more annoying PSD ads. Haven't seen a single one since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Nah...PSD isn't bringing this cluster **** together. Quite the opposite.

    Anyway, Google ad blocker. Installed it a few weeks ago, and magic....no more annoying PSD ads. Haven't seen a single one since.
    Same thing happens on my phone using either Chrome or Safari.

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    It will probably shock nobody when I say that Trump deserves an F. He deserves it for many reasons I will get into. This is a good thread to make because anyone who doesn't have their head buried in the sand has an opinion about this. Trump has been a very divisive President but times have also been relatively good during his Presidency. Whether or not that will continue to be the case isn't so certain, but the world certainly didn't end because he became President. Trump has seen a number of setbacks in his first year (Russia investigation, healthcare failure, historically low approval, courts blocking his E.O's, large turnover in the administration), but also has seen some success (strong economy, Neil Gorsuch, court appointments, and tax reform).

    One of the main reasons I believe Trump deserves an F is because his biggest win, tax reform, isn't really his win at all. It's Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell's. Sure he gets credit for it passing, but Trump has failed to take the lead on his own legislative agenda. Trump wanted to begin his Presidency on a $1 trillion Infrastructure bill, but was talked into repealing Obamacare because Paul Ryan wanted to start with repealing the healthcare law. Ryan wanted to begin with Obamacare repeal because it would have cut billions of dollars worth of taxes for the wealthiest Americans.

    After conceding the top priority of his legislative agenda, Trump did not take the lead on healthcare. He claimed he wanted a healthcare bill that would work for everyone. He wanted everybody to be covered, and wanted to target pharmaceutical companies over drug prices. Instead of working alongside Congress and making sure what he wanted was in the bill, he allowed Paul Ryan and the House Republicans write their own bill, which had none of what he claimed he wanted. Instead of drawing up his own bill and debating/compromising with the Congress, he elected to support the bill Ryan made (a bill he later called "mean"). The reason he chose to do that was probably because he wanted to rush through healthcare so he could move on with his agenda.

    When the House failed to pass Ryan's bill, he allowed Mitch McConnell to create the Senate's healthcare bill. Once again, he put the entire onus on Congress rather than being at the forefront of his own agenda. Healthcare eventually failed in the Senate too and rather than spend the entire year trying to get rid of Obamacare, Congressional Republicans, not Trump, decided it was time to move onto tax reform.

    I believe Trump had more of a say on what was in the tax bill, but republicans are unanimous in wanting to always cut taxes. Paul Ryan has devoted his career to gutting the corporate tax rate and destroying Social Security/Medicare. The healthcare bill was Ryan's wet dream. Allowing Ryan and McConnell to lead the legislative agenda is a fundamental failure in leadership on Trump's part, and the biggest reason he is failing as President.

    Trump has spent 1/3rd of his time in office at one his properties, and has visited his golf course at least 83 times according to Trumpgolfcount.com.. Considering he made a campaign promise to never take vacations and claimed he would never have time to golf because he would be too busy working for the people, I think it's safe to assume he was lying through his teeth. That's another area he's fundamentally failing as President, he constantly spreads false information, or as he calls it fake news, and accuses the media of the very thing he does. Trump can definitely say he's done something nobody else has, he is actively living in his own reality. Facts only matter when he decides they do, and the truth is an open debate.

    Lastly, Trump has fundamentally failed as President because he is only interested in representing the people who voted for him. I believe the reason that is is because Trump has never been able to accept the fact that he lost the popular vote. He created the story about 3-5 million illegals voting because his ego can't accept it. Between banning transgender people from serving in the military to attempting to implement a religious ban on who can and can't enter the country to pulling out of the Paris Climate Accord to clearly defending the white supremacists who support him during the Charlottesville riots, he has shown he only wants to represent his base. Considering the fact that more people actually voted for him not to be President, it would be correct to say that he is a minority President, and he is representing a minority of the people.

    His pettiness/crudeness and alleged sex crimes have sunk the office of the Presidency to new ethical lows but I'm not even going to get into that. The point of this is Trump has failed as President because he isn't a leader, attacks the institutions of a free democracy, and is an incessant liar who lives in his own reality. History will not be kind to him nor should it, and future generations will look on us with shame because he was elected. As Trump himself would say, SAD.
    Great post

    It was def a mistake electing him, the few good things he claimed he would do were clearly fluff slogans he used to get elected

    It’s also crazy to see just how pro establishment trump is after campaigning so strongly as being anti establishment. I think he’s more pro establishment than our last two presidents and it’s not even close
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    overall I think I would give Trump an I for incomplete. some things can't really be graded on yet.


    this could go here since it's an end of 2017 thing..

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-and-more.html

    Trump ends 2017 with big wins on economy, taxes, ISIS and more
    When congressional Republicans joined President Trump for a tax bill celebration at the White House just before Christmas, a triumphant Mitch McConnell began ticking off the president’s first-year accomplishments.

    The boasts from the Kentucky Republican, who's had a rocky relationship with Trump at times, underscored how – despite the internal squabbles that captivated the media – the Trump administration has given his party plenty to crow about in 2017.

    From the confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch to regulation rollbacks to Wall Street gains to the passage of the tax bill and the routing of ISIS in the Middle East – as McConnell put it, “This has been a year of extraordinary accomplishment for the Trump administration.”

    To be sure, there have been plenty of campaign promises that Trump did not fulfill in his first year: a wall has not yet been built on the border with Mexico, ObamaCare hasn’t been repealed (though the individual mandate has) and an infrastructure package hasn’t yet passed in Congress. Meanwhile, Trump's White House has been hampered at times by Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation and daily drama, often the result of tweets fired off by the president himself.

    But Republicans inside and outside of the White House contend that the media, which hammer Trump on every misstep, aren't giving him due credit for the 2017 gains his administration has made in a combative political environment.

    A senior administration official said that while tax reform has been widely described as Trump’s first major legislative win, they have counted 81 pieces of Trump-backed legislation that are now law.

    “That's in addition to 15 congressional review acts whereby the president took a look at laws that were passed without the benefit of congressional review, and decided to reverse or undo them,” the official said.

    Before leaving for Florida for the holidays, Trump took to Twitter to tout his administration's “long & beautiful list” of accomplishments. He predicted the “Fake Mainstream Media will NEVER talk about our accomplishments in their end of year reviews.”
    TAX CODE OVERHAUL

    With just days left in the year, Congress handed Trump his biggest legislative win by sending a $1.5-trillion tax package to his desk. He signed it in the Oval Office just before leaving Washington for the holidays. Trump, who had been traveling the country for months calling on Congress to act on taxes, calls it “the largest tax cut in the history of our country.”

    The tax bill cuts the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent and reduces the rates for most of the seven individual tax brackets.

    While critics panned the law as a big tax break for the wealthy and corporations, the overhaul doubles the standard deduction, which the Trump administration argues is a boon for the middle class.

    The legislation also allows Trump to say he’s working to dismantle ObamaCare: the bill includes a repeal of the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate requiring Americans to buy health insurance or face a penalty.
    REGULATORY ROLLBACK

    Gridlock in Congress has not stopped the president from unraveling former President Barack Obama’s executive action legacy, especially through regulatory rollbacks.

    “You've ended the overregulation of the American economy,” McConnell told him during the White House celebration.

    Trump's EPA has moved to roll back the Clean Power Plan and he has used the Congressional Review Act, an obscure rule-killing law, to wipe out a wave of last-minute regulations pushed through before he took office.

    After taking office, the president signed an executive order mandating that two regulations must be eliminated for every one created. The White House says the administration has surpassed that ratio, claiming to have eliminated 22 regulations for every new regulation.

    Trump has taken other actions to please conservatives, including moving to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement, green-lighting the Dakota Access and Keystone XL oil pipelines and withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
    PACKING THE COURTS

    Trump often cites his successful nomination of Supreme Court Justice Gorsuch when discussing his accomplishments as president. Gorsuch had been on the list of potential nominees that Trump released during the campaign, after the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.

    But Republicans are also thrilled about his nominations to lower courts. The Trump administration has been intentionally choosing young conservative judicial nominees who could stay on the bench for many years to come. As of mid-December, 19 of Trump's 66 total nominees this year have been confirmed by the Senate.

    “We've cemented the Supreme Court right-of-center for a generation,” McConnell said. “Mr. President, thanks to your nominees, we've put 12 circuit court judges in place -- the most since the circuit court system was established in 1891.”
    DECIMATING ISIS

    As the Islamic State orchestrated terror attacks and established a caliphate in Iraq and Syria during the 2016 presidential campaign, Trump famously promised during to “bomb the sh-t” out of ISIS.

    The gains cannot be ignored.

    U.S. military officials said this week that ISIS has lost 98 percent of the territory it once held -- with half of the terror group's "caliphate" having been recaptured since Trump took office. The latest American intelligence assessment says fewer than 1,000 ISIS fighters now remain in Iraq and Syria, down from a peak of nearly 45,000 just two years ago.

    In October, after the liberation of Raqqa in Syria, the president boasted that “more progress” had been made “against these evil terrorists in the past several months than in the past several years.”

    Earlier this month, Iraq’s leaders declared victory over ISIS.

    The White House recently credited Trump’s “leadership” in noting that ISIS has “lost nearly all of its territory and its most important cities and towns in Iraq and Syria, including Mosul and ISIS’s declared capital in Raqqa.”
    ECONOMY GROWING

    Trump is never shy about taking credit when the stock market is doing well, and closed the year by predicting the tax bill will spur another year of growth in 2018.

    "Will be a great year for Companies and JOBS! Stock Market is poised for another year of SUCCESS!" he tweeted Tuesday.

    The Trump administration has indeed been good for Wall Street: the Dow Jones Industrial Average has hit record highs more than 60 times during Trump’s presidency.

    The White House cites statistics saying more than $5 trillion in wealth has been added to the U.S. economy since Trump’s election.

    Other indicators show the economy has improved under Trump.

    The country’s 4.1 percent unemployment rate is the lowest since December 2000.

    And the economy grew 3.2 percent from July through September, the highest quarterly economic growth in three years.
    CONSERVATIVE-PLEASING MOVES

    Trump has pleased his base by appointing people like Attorney General Jeff Sessions, EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, Education Secretary Betsy Devos and Energy Secretary Rick Perry to high-profile government positions. In a less than a year, these officials have enacted conservative policy at departments and agencies after eight years of liberal governance under the Obama administration.

    The president also officially recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital earlier this month, following through on a promise to put in place a plan to move the United States embassy to the holy city.

    He pardoned ex-Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio in June, a move that was welcomed by supporters of a tough stance on illegal immigration.

    In October, Trump decertified the 2015 Iran nuclear deal -- though did not kill it -- calling it “one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the United States has ever entered into.”


    this can also go here, covers many things..

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...as-legacy.html

    How Trump is rolling back Obama's legacy
    President Trump spent his first year in office moving swiftly to roll back what his Democratic predecessor did in eight.

    The result: the steady unraveling of a slew of regulations and laws put in place under then-President Barack Obama, covering everything from the Internet to the environment to health care.

    Read on for a 2017 overview of what Trump has done to dismantle Obama's regulatory legacy.
    Health care

    As a presidential candidate, Trump regularly promised to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act – keeping in line with other Republicans. Efforts to completely overhaul the 2010 law through Congress have thus far been unsuccessful. But piece by piece, Trump has managed to dismantle some controversial Obama-era initiatives.

    Individual mandate: Trump and Republicans used the sweeping tax reform bill passed just before Christmas to repeal a major portion of ObamaCare. The tax legislation eliminates in 2019 the penalty fee levied on Americans who do not purchase health care.

    Contraceptive mandate: The Trump administration announced in October that it would roll back an ObamaCare mandate that required employers to provide health insurance that included certain contraceptives, such as birth control, Plan B, intrauterine devices and sterilization procedures. The White House’s decision granted further protections to nonprofit groups, higher education institutions and non-publicly traded companies that had objections to the mandate.

    Cost-sharing reduction payments: Trump also announced in October the end to certain health care cost-sharing subsidy payments to insurers. These payments were special subsidies paid by the federal government that, in part, alleviated copays and deductibles for people with lower incomes who purchased insurance through the marketplace.

    Insurance alternatives: Through an executive order, Trump paved the way to provide “alternatives” to health insurance by instructing the Department of Labor to expand access to “association health plans.” The order allows for some consumers to purchase insurance across state lines.
    Immigration

    One of Trump's biggest issues, including when he was a presidential candidate, is immigration and border security. His 2017 policy changes reflect that.

    DACA: The Trump administration announced in September that it was phasing out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program, giving Congress only a few months to come up with – and pass – immigration reform legislation. White House officials and lawmakers are working on a deal that is expected to be revealed in January.

    Sanctuary cities crackdown: The Trump administration has vowed to crack down on "sanctuary cities" – places that limit how much local law enforcement officers cooperate with federal immigration authorities. Trump signed an executive order in January that, in part, would strip federal grant money to these cities. So far, a federal judge has blocked the withholding of funds from sanctuary cities.
    Environment

    The rollback of environmental regulations is meant to foster more development and punt certain land decisions back to states, the Trump administration has said.

    Clean Power Plan: The Trump administration is moving toward replacing the Obama-era Clean Power Plan. EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt announced in October the administration’s intention to roll back the plan in an effort to ease regulations on coal-fired power plants. According to the EPA, the move will foster new developments of energy resources in the U.S. and reduce regulations that have curbed this kind of development.

    Paris Climate Accord: In August, the Trump administration formally told the United Nations that the U.S. plans to pull out of the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement – although that did not start the official withdrawal proceedings. The State Department said that it cannot begin to officially withdraw from the agreement until November 2019.

    Pipelines: At the beginning of his presidency, Trump signed executive orders that revived the controversial Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines.

    Cutbacks to federal lands: Trump in December signed executive orders that scaled back two of Utah’s national monuments – Bears Ears and the Grand Staircase-Escalante. The move was heralded by the Trump administration as a nod to states’ rights, though environmentalists criticized the decision.
    Trade

    When it comes to trade deals, Trump promised to “put America first.”

    Trans-Pacific Partnership: Immediately after taking office, Trump signed an executive order to withdraw the U.S. from the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal. Trade ministers announced in November an agreement on pushing ahead with the free-trade deal, according to the Associated Press.
    Education

    Betsy DeVos might be Trump’s most controversial Cabinet secretary, and she’s hit the ground running in her position.

    Campus sexual assault guidelines: DeVos rescinded in September the Obama-era guidelines for colleges on how to deal with campus sexual assault investigations. In its place are temporary guidelines that she said will “treat all students fairly.” DeVos and other Republicans had been critical of the Obama administration’s approach to the campus sexual assault epidemic as they said the system denied the due process rights of those accused.

    Transgender bathroom guidelines: The Trump administration revoked federal guidelines that allowed public school students to use restrooms and other facilities that corresponded with their gender identity. The Obama-era guidelines were rescinded in February.
    Net neutrality

    The Federal Communications Commission voted along party lines to dismantle Obama-era Internet regulations in December. Led by Ajit Pai, the Trump-appointed FCC chair, the commission moved to repeal net neutrality regulations imposed on Internet service providers (ISPs) that prevented them from favoring their own services or certain customers over those of their competitors.

    Critics argued that repealing these regulations could mean consumers would start paying more for Internet services as ISPs could begin to “bundle” services – such as certain websites or applications – and charge more based on what a person wants access to. But proponents pointed out that ISPs will still have to adhere to many other regulations and argued that this move will foster more competition that will ultimately drive down prices.
    Foreign policy

    When it comes to foreign policy, Trump’s opinions on other nations and leaders aren’t secret. Just take a look at his Twitter account to see how he feels about North Korea’s Kim Jong Un any given week. But he's moved to enact key policy changes as well.

    Iran Deal: Trump announced in October that he planned to decertify the controversial Iran nuclear deal, leaving the future of the agreement up to Congress. The decertification does not mean that the U.S. has automatically pulled out of the agreement, but Trump did leave the door open to that possibility in the future.

    Cuba travel restrictions: The Trump administration partially curtailed the newfound freedom Americans had in traveling to Cuba. Obama restored diplomatic relations with the Caribbean country in 2015, but the Trump administration rolled back what businesses Americans can visit in the country.
    Criminal justice and police

    While running for president, Trump promised to be a “law and order” president.

    Criminal charging policy: Attorney General Jeff Sessions overturned a directive from the previous administration that encouraged prosecutors to avoid charging certain drug offenders in a way that would leave them facing long, mandatory minimum sentences. Sessions revoked the directive in May and instructed his prosecutors to “charge and pursue the most serious, readily provable offense.” The move angered civil rights groups.

    Military equipment for police: In August, the Trump administration revived a federal program curtailed by Obama that allows for local police departments to receive surplus military equipment. Critics have long decried the “militarization” of police in America; Obama largely ended the program following concerns that armored vehicles and other military surplus gear could contribute to tensions between police and civilians.

    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    If the Tax bill reform didn’t pass then I’d stoop to D.

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    Easy answer. F.

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    I can't grade him because he was thrown out of my school for lying, cheating, sexual harassment, and bullying.

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    He had the best year ever, worked hated than all the presidents combined, had the highest popularity specially that of the last bum in office. It was watershed year for America and it’s great leader.


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    So I give a super duper grade. Bigly!


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    my balance sheet is flush as fcuk and only getting better with tax reform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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    Grading Trump all comes down to what you want out of a President... the economy is fine and he hasn't done anything that can't be reversed since it has all been done through EO's. So in normal term I would give him a B

    The problem is that he is an insufferable POS and I can't stand him personally so it drops two grades to a D

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    Let's see. 1/3 time tweeting, 1/3 time playing golf, 1/3 time watching FAUX News. What ever is left actually working. Take of my partisan hat I give him an A++++. He is just riding on Obama's recovery, policies etc. Talk to me again in 3 years and see how better off/worse we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinylman View Post
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    my balance sheet is flush as fcuk and only getting better with tax reform!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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    Grading Trump all comes down to what you want out of a President... the economy is fine and he hasn't done anything that can't be reversed since it has all been done through EO's. So in normal term I would give him a B

    The problem is that he is an insufferable POS and I can't stand him personally so it drops two grades to a D
    I think that most presidents in this century are going to do so by executive order. We’re at the point where if one party says 1+1 the other side says 3.

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    it's comical to see people complain about Trump tweeting/golfing/whatever as if he's getting nothing done as President. I guess this is what happens when people get news/information from the Liberal media. I hope people in 2018 can be more intelligent and see the bias/stupidity coming from the Liberal media. they push so much nonsense while ignoring anything positive. this is why negative coverage is up around 91%.

    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    it's comical to see people complain about Trump tweeting/golfing/whatever as if he's getting nothing done as President. I guess this is what happens when people get news/information from the Liberal media. I hope people in 2018 can be more intelligent and see the bias/stupidity coming from the Liberal media. they push so much nonsense while ignoring anything positive. this is why negative coverage is up around 91%.
    Nah. You are the comic relief here

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    Grade Trumps first year in office

    Ya it's like he doesn't remember when this president was calling out Obama for golfing or questioning his birth certificate etc lol.

    The negative coverage is because outside of his base/republicans most can see he deserves a poor grade as president and regularity brings stuff on himself. I give him an F and golfing is just a laughable thing for the many of his followers who pretended to care about it a couple years ago not some major reasoning because you saw it on some news channel.

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