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    Star Wars Episode VIII (Spoiler Thread)

    Maybe here we can discuss it in a bit more detail? I really did like this movie. There are two things I wasn't crazy about, though:

    1. Luke's ending. I wanted to see more Luke going forward, especially with Carrie Fisher dying. Feel like he had more to offer still, even if I did like his hologram (or whatever you'd call it) fake out.

    2. Supreme Leader Snoke. Seems like a big letdown from the last film. Snoke was maybe too traditional of a baddie for the new SW movies (too much of a retread maybe) but I think we needed to learn more about him in this movie and how he got ahold of Ben Solo. I don't mind his death (Kylo Ren is a much cooler bad guy and Adam Driver nails the role) but I definitely am upset they didn't give us more after setting it up in the last movie.

    Other than that, though, I like Luke's struggle with the Jedi and the force. I read an article on how TLJ saves the prequels and I actually agree too. The Jedi are marked in failure (the whole prequels are about their failure) and Yoda says we must learn from failure, so changes are needed. I'll link that article if anyone is interested.

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    This is from another forum and i agree wholeheartedly

    I think that those people saying "OMG it's the best Star Wars movie ever" are suffering new toy syndrome, in time I suspect this movie is not going to be looked on anywhere near as favourably.

    I certainly didn't walk away with the same feel good factor as TFA, if anything I was more confused as all the movie seemed to do was destroy a lot of what was set up in TFA with little to no explanation.

    It actually felt like this movie was Rian's attempt to try and semi reboot the trilogy because he undid so much from TFA and it just happened so often that it kind of lost meaning. Here are some examples ..... Kylo's mask was destroyed and never to be seen again within the first 10 minutes of the movie, no real explanation at all about Snoke's backstory nor how he turned Kylo Ren and then before we get any answers Kylo turns on him and kills him with no real explanation as to why it happened. Rey's backstory was an integral part of the build up in TFA and then once again in another nothing scene Kylo said that her parents were nobodies who sold her off (yet in episode 7 wasn't Lor San Tekka in the flashback scene with Rey as a child when she was dropped off?) yet now her backstory is completely irrelevant. The movie then concludes with Luke dying in yet another poorly done understated scene.

    So to summarise

    Luke, Phasma, Snoke are gone
    Snoke's background and connecting to Kylo ............... were never explained
    An explanation on Rey's backstory, parents and why she is so strong in the force .................. never explained and her lineage was very poorly handled.

    So now that Rian has abruptly closed off the story arcs of Snoke, Luke and Rey's lineage (very poorly) can anyone explain to me what exactly is supposed to draw us in and make us excited to see in episode 9?

    The more I am thinking about it the more bitterly disappointed I am with episode 8



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    Maun things that upset me

    1.rey random confirmed... i was hoping for her to be more but really her parents sold her or dumped her for alcohol or drugs really
    2. hux was treated like an absolute joke used as comic relief all movie
    3. luke ...a the guy who fought for 2 movies to redeem his father after yoda and obi wan had given up on him sees ben will fall and goes well better try and kill him in his sleep (wven if it was only a moment) and then agrees wuth leia that he us gone for good
    4. snoke ... what a waste they build him up huge and all athis intense debating on who he is to just sit there while talking **** to rey and kylo not notice or feel ren moving anakins light saber by the force to impale him. Now i LOVED that scene, but its significance is outright meaningless because we know nothing of Snoke



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    The projected Luke on the salt planet looked too much like Chuck Norris. Wasn't a fan of the twist that he wasn't actually there. Also, didn't like that he died/became one with the force due to the extreme effort it took to pull that move off.

    I feel like he'll be back in some form for IX but still don't think he was utilized well for this one.

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    Hux, Kylo, and by extension the whole First Order were basically turned in to a joke this movie. A little comic relief is totally fine by me but they went too far in this regard.

    Maz, Rose, Finn, and to a lesser extent Snoke are all basically pointless and unnecessary characters that took away time from others.

    Leia using the force to come back to life and project herself back to the ship from dark space was really lame. That was a perfect spot to kill her off (especially with her death). They should have done some rewrites after she died in real life to make that her exit and to keep Luke alive.

    Not hearing much of anyone mention this but it WAS good seeing Yoda (and as a puppet) again. Wasn't 100% thrilled with his scene but was still cool to see.

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    Yeah. This movie had a lot of "forced" humor in it that was just too much. Outside of the jokes, which made quite a number of the main characters a joke themselves, there were story parts that were a joke and simply filler.

    Regarding Leia - how is she so powerful in the force all of a sudden? Sure, if we buy that power in the force is related to bloodline (which is in fact true, based on every movie) then she should be able to sense certain things. But how can she save herself from being unconscious in space for minutes on end. She would freeze to death even if she reacted right away. I'm willing to swallow some things, but that was soooooo over the top.


    Phasma was a joke once again. Idk why the purple haired lady (admiral i think?) didn't tell anyone the plan to get the transports out of their undetected. It pretty much made the entire Finn/Rose mission pointless, which makes the entire casino thing pointless, which makes Del Toro's character pointless, which all adds up to about 40 minutes of filler for a movie that felt pretty long and never completely captivated me.

    The timing of the movies was off too - in the moments betwen 7 and 8, Rey goes to Luke to train right? And within that time, even if we take that nothing is happening in chronological order, the First Order goes from remnants of the Empire trying to take over the galaxy in semi-secrecy, to then getting torched in the *** by getting starkiller base blown at the end of Ep 7, to then within minutes of episode 8 seemingly have control over THE ENTIRE GALAXY despite there being no true fleet or government in place, to then seemingly ending the Resistance (who are now called Rebels again?).

    In short - the First Order goes from the buildings-up of simply trying to get ahold of the galaxy, the current government in place "The Resistance" pretty much depletes their powers significantly but then in the matter of 1 week the First Order owns the galaxy and the Resistance, err Rebels, is left with 12 people on one ship.


    It doesn't add up.

    And the whole Finn/Rose stuff was entirely forced to the degree that it was off-putting. I loved Finn's character in episode 7, but they force a romance down our throats after these guys spend a couple days together?



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    Agree with everything beside OP

    This whole movie was like a parody, it was just so absurd and laughable.

    The high points for me were Superman Leia and Snoke dying. Andy Serkis teased us that Snoke would be the most powerful force user. Even more powerful than Vader and Sidious. And now some lame teenager who calls himself Kylo Ren and hasnt even figured out what the hell he wants just kills his master. What makes it even worse is the after shot of Snoke with his tongue out like a dead dog. They made Snoke a joke.

    I dont even want to start with other things. Lost all my faith in star wars with this movie.

    Worst star wars movie ever.


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    oh and I cant believe Luke called lightsaber a "laser sword"


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    Spliff hit on pretty much all of the complaints I had as well. I get Leia has or could have some variation of the force, but the scene of her flying back into the ship felt really cringe worthy imo.

    -Agreed with Finn and Rose being pointless. There entire story was filler than ended up going nowhere. I guess technically it ended the Phasma story but even that was lame. If you are going to kill her off, can we at least have Finn kill her and not her falling to her death?

    -I get them killing Snoke to put Kylo as the head of the First Order but not getting anything about who Snoke is or where he comes from seems like a waste. You could have had any random gov't figure head take his spot in these films just to have Kylo kill them. Maybe he has a role in the next one but it seems odd now to include him given that they seem to want Kylo to be the strongest and the head of the F.O.

    -The subtle humor worked with me because the original trilogy had some of that with Han, Chewy, C3PO etc. The "can you hear me" joke was absolutely awful and poorly placed in the film. IDK if it could have worked anywhere else, but I know starting this film/big battle scene showing the resistance in grave danger with a joke like that is really off putting. The porgs were fine, and I thought they were going to overly used, so that was nice in moderation.

    Seeing Yoda again was nice, and the way the film was shot and some of the planets were really well put together as well. I even liked the Rey-Luke scenes on that Island (that shot with Rey in the Dark Hole or whatever it was was a nice little effect). Its not all bad, but really disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Kobe24-TJ19- View Post
    Agree with everything beside OP

    This whole movie was like a parody, it was just so absurd and laughable.

    The high points for me were Superman Leia and Snoke dying. Andy Serkis teased us that Snoke would be the most powerful force user. Even more powerful than Vader and Sidious. And now some lame teenager who calls himself Kylo Ren and hasnt even figured out what the hell he wants just kills his master. What makes it even worse is the after shot of Snoke with his tongue out like a dead dog. They made Snoke a joke.

    I dont even want to start with other things. Lost all my faith in star wars with this movie.

    Worst star wars movie ever.
    Yup, i definitely think this was by far the worst star wars movie. There were some moments i definitely DID like in it, but those qualities I would not say are "redeeming" enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Kobe24-TJ19- View Post
    oh and I cant believe Luke called lightsaber a "laser sword"
    Yeah, that was ****ing stupid. Old Ben Kenobi tells Luke when he hands him Anakain's lightsaber, "Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough ... Your father's lightsaber. This is a weapon of a Jedi Knight"

    And now Luke says laser sword? C'mon man



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    I honestly don't even have the energy to type out all the problems I had with this movie, it wasn't the worst movie I've ever seen in terms of a stand alone film, but in when taking into consideration the fact that its Star Wars and this movie was make or break for me (I thought TFA was not deep, and missed on a few huge/easy opportunities, but was entertaining) - this was the worst movie I've ever seen. I would have walked out if people weren't there with me.

    In my mind they are clearly selling out the old fans to try and hook kids/the younger generation for all the 10,000 movies they will make afterwards. I get it, but don't spit in my face as an old Star Wars fan - there was a way to make us both happy, and it's hard to believe there isn't one person at Disney who could figure that plot out.

    I'll just point out my biggest issue. The original Star Wars was in part a redemption story for Anakin Skywalker. A man who ended the Jedi order, probably killed thousands of people personally, ruined the lives of billions. And despite all that, Luke saw that there was still good in him, and he was conflicted. So I'm supposed to believe, that ****ing Luke Skywalker, would sense "amazing evil" in his nephew, to the point he would prepare himself TO KILL HIM IN HIS SLEEP, despite him never doing anything actually wrong? That's preposterous, and I know why Mark Hamill hated this movie. I'll never see one of these films that takes place in the new continuum again. If they let non-moron directors do the independent Han Solo/Boba Fett films and I hear they are good - I will pay for those. This clown is supposed to direct X XI XII LMAO.

    The one positive thing I will say, is that Adam Driver really turned it around. I did not like him at all in the first film, he really put his heart into this one, and he was the only character with any real depth. It was nice that they remembered Star Wars should have lightsaber fights - the throne room scene was fine.

    Edit: A Youtube comment said it best:
    "He looks like a defeated man. What Emperor Palpatine, the Dark Side, the Empire failed to do... Disney succeeded at."
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    Captain Phasma def proven to be a complete throw away character.

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    Not only did the Finn and Rose plot line not contribute to the story, I almost left like I was watching a prequel watching them ride those ridiculous “horse” animals through the casino and city. Just terrible

    Most of the posts here cover the same feelings I have on many other parts

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    The problems I had are the following.

    First, Snoke. He was one of the two things from TFA that everyone was talking about for the past two years. Theories from him being Darth Plagueius, to Darth Sidieous to the more recent ones of him being a Force vampire, similar to Vitiate (Sith Emperor in KOTOR/SWTOR canon) and Darth Nihilus (KOTOR II). So we never find out who or what he is, why he's here, why he missed the first Galactic Civil War and he goes out like a punk. Further, the shot of him after his death really did it in for me.

    Second, Rey's family. Like Snoke, Rey's family has kept us all talking for the past two years. If it indeed comes down to her being from a junkie family, then it's a poor payoff. However, I still see her being the reincarnation of the Chosen One. First, her saying she's been to the Acht-To library in her dreams. Second, Luke says he has only seen her raw power in only one being before- another Skywalker. Third, the connection that existed before and after Snoke's influence between Rey and Kylo Ren. Fourth, when she asks to meet her parents in the cave, and she sees a reflection of herself. Now, I can see her "parents" being junkies and getting rid of her if they didn't want her, like it was another "virgin" birth like Anakin was to his mother, and in this case, thats a fine payoff.

    Third, I never took Luke seriously after he threw the lightsaber away and almost off the cliff. The fact that he's closed himself to the Force is supposed to be rare in the old Star Wars universe and is a big deal, but the movie glanced right over it.

    Fourth........I know that Mon Calamari cruisers are supposed to have much more powerful shields than any other ships in Star Wars canon, but how could it survive for 18 hours against a ship the size of Snoke's flagship? Plus the rest of the First Order ships.

    Fifth, how could we not have a Lando sighting at Canto Bight? This was the perfect place and time to bring him back, and introduce a potential leader to the Resistance. Since they have to write out Leia, in addition to the decisions they made by writing out Ackbar and Holdo, someone has to lead this thing with Poe and the rest.

    Though I will say this........great call on the Justin Theroux cameo in the casino.

    Sixth, I agree with the whole Finn/Rose storyline being pointless to the plot. You would still have the movie intact if you take all of those scenes out.

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    This clown is supposed to direct X XI XII LMAO.
    No, they are supposed to be completely new movies, set in a new galaxy actually and not involved around the Skywalker family or really, anyone we truly know. Now, it could be a different era- like exploring the Old Republic- or like I said above, a new galaxy entirely, but we don't know that yet.

    Also, the 2020 anthology film has yet to be decided. Apparently, the ideas being pitched include an Obi-Wan film, Jabba the Hutt film and Boba Fett. On top of that, Samuel L Jackson is open to returning if they want to say Mace Windu survived his fall, and Ian McDiarmond would return as Palpatine/Emperor if they want to do a film about or involving him. In addition, there could also be a film around Ahsoko Tano and Rex, and their actors are willing to return as well.

    Also, Disney is developing a live action TV show for their streaming service, but no idea what the focus will be yet.

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