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    2017-2018 Free Agency Thread

    MLB Hot Stove: These nine free agents receive $17.4 million qualifying offer

    Jake Arrieta SP / Cubs
    2017 WAR: 1.9 2017 SALARY: $15.64 million
    Even with his control being a significant issue at times and his Cy Young form well in the rear-view mirror, Jake Arrieta will undoubtedly reject the qualifying offer and cash in big as a free agent. He threw 168 1/3 innings with a 3.53 ERA (123 ERA+) in 2017, and when he gets locked in, he's as good as any pitcher in baseball. Arrieta will likely receive a nine-figure contract with an average annual value north of the $17.4 million qualifying offer this winter. An easy decision to reject the qualifying offer.

    Lorenzo Cain CF / Royals
    2017 WAR: 5.3 2017 SALARY: $11 million
    No team stands to lose as much talent as the Royals this offseason. Lorenzo Cain is one of the several core Royals who became a free agent after the season, and as is often the case, it will be an easy call to reject the $17.4 million offer. Cain hit .300/.363/.440 (112 OPS+) with 15 homers and 26 steals in 2017, and when you add in his standout center field defense and clubhouse skills, you get the recipe for a very in-demand free agent, even with his 32nd birthday not too far away.

    Alex Cobb SP / Rays
    2017 WAR: 2.4 2017 SALARY: $4.2 million
    A year ago, Alex Cobb was working his way back from Tommy John surgery, and after returning, he threw 22 innings with an 8.59 ERA (47 ERA+). It was ugly. Cobb, 30, bounced back in 2017 as he got further away from elbow reconstruction, and he threw 179 1/3 innings with a 3.66 ERA (113 ERA+) with the Rays. He's not quite the guy he was from 2013-14, when he posted a 2.82 ERA (134 ERA+) in 309 2/3 innings, though he remains a rock-solid mid-rotation starter. Cobb will be a popular free agent target for teams looking for rotation help but not wanting to pay big for Arrieta. He'll decline the qualifying offer for sure.

    Wade Davis RP / Cubs
    2017 WAR: 1.9 2017 SALARY: $10 million
    Had the Royals not traded Wade Davis to the Cubs last offseason, he would've been yet another one of their core players hitting the open market. Davis was not quite as automatic in 2017 as he had been in previous years, especially down the stretch, but he remains an excellent closer and is the best reliever on the market this winter. He won't get $17.4 million annually -- Aroldis Chapman ($17.2 million annually) and Kenley Jansen ($16 million) are the two highest-paid closers in baseball -- though Davis should have no problem securing more than $17.4 million total as part of a multiyear deal. He'll reject the qualifying offer.


    Greg Holland RP / Rockies
    2017 WAR: 1.4 2017 SALARY: $6 million
    Oh look, another (former) Royals player. Greg Holland is the one free agent who I think should seriously consider accepting the qualifying offer. Then again, he declined his $15 million player option to become a free agent, so you know he's looking for a big contract this winter. Holland did lead the NL with 41 saves this year and he was an All-Star, but he struggled mightily in the second half -- he had a 1.62 ERA before the All-Star break and a 6.38 ERA after -- and for a guy in his first year back from Tommy John surgery, that's worrisome. Ultimately, the demand for high-end relievers is so strong that Holland figures to land a nice contract. I just think passing on the $17.4 million qualifying offer is a bit of a risk. He's not a lock to land a huge deal like the other guys listed here.

    Eric Hosmer 1B / Royals
    2017 WAR: 4.0 2017 SALARY: $12.25 million
    Like I said, the Royals are poised to lose several core players to free agency this winter. Eric Hosmer might be the best position player on the market this offseason because he's young (28), he's productive (.318/.385/.495 with 25 homers in 2017), he's very good defensively, he has a championship pedigree, and he's seen as a leader in the clubhouse. Hosmer is a divisive player, no doubt, though my sense is he's very highly regarded within the game and is seen a bona fide difference-maker. He'll reject the qualifying offer and sign a massive contract worth no less than $100 million.

    Lance Lynn SP / Cardinals
    2017 WAR: 3.1 2017 SALARY: $7.5 million
    Lance Lynn, like Cobb and Holland, just completed his first full season following Tommy John surgery. He had the best season of the three as well, throwing 186 1/3 innings with a 3.43 ERA (124 ERA+). That is right in line with his career 3.38 ERA (114 ERA+). Lynn and Cobb are the best "second tier" free agent starters this offseason. They'll generate plenty of interest from teams not wanting to spend top dollar for rotation help. Lynn will reject the qualifying offer and secure more than $17.4 million guaranteed across multiple years.

    Mike Moustakas 3B / Royals
    2017 WAR: 1.8 2017 SALARY: $8.7 million
    One more Royals player for good measure. This season Mike Moustakas set a new franchise single-season record with 38 home runs, plus he is only 29 and provides what is generally regarded as strong third base defense. The knocks against Moustakas are his on-base skills -- he has a career .305 on-base percentage, and it was .314 in 2017 -- and the fact he missed most of 2016 with a torn ACL, though he was healthy in 2017. His earning potential is not as sky high as Hosmer's, but rejecting the qualifying offer is an easy decision for Moustakas. He's going to land himself a very nice contract this winter.

    Carlos Santana 1B / Indians
    2017 WAR: 3.4 2017 SALARY: $12 million
    The market for one-dimensional sluggers is not what it once was, but as a 31-year-old switch-hitter with 30-plus homer power and great on-base skills, Carlos Santana won't get stuck settling for a small contract late in the offseason. He has postseason experience and he can be your emergency catcher as well. Santana may not get $17.4 million annually with his next contract, though he will exceed that with his total guarantee. As with almost everyone else who received a qualifying offer this year, Santana will reject it without a second thought.

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...lifying-offer/
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    If I'm Santana, Davis, Holland, Cobb and Lynn, I am accepting the QO.


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    With only 30 million to spend (I despise these owners) as per Carig, the Mets should look at Cishek, Shaw and Nunez.


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    Before I get one of those stupid "Citation" post.

    The Mets pushed payroll up to $155 million at the start of last season, which ended in disappointment despite lofty expectations. This year, general manager Sandy Alderson has already indicated that payroll will come down, with the Mets insisting that a minor reboot will be enough for them to build a contender.

    But with payroll once more an issue ó a constant source of fan frustration during the era of Wilpon ownership ó will the numbers add up?

    With free agency beginning on Monday, the Mets figure to have approximately $30 million to spend on plugging holes in the lineup, the bullpen and possibly the starting rotation. Itís not a sizable war chest given the teamís multiple needs. But once again, it will be Aldersonís job to stretch a dollar, and solutions will almost certainly have to come from a combination of free-agent signings and trades.
    https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/b...nts-1.14789422


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    Gregerson, Shaw, Cishek, Neshek, Minor, Watson and Morrow are middle relievers that the Mets should be looking at imo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    With only 30 million to spend (I despise these owners) as per Carig, the Mets should look at Cishek, Shaw and Nunez.
    That number is speculation by Carig. It may well be realistic, but it is Carig's speculation. It is not official information - nor was it presented as such in the article.
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    Davis and Holland probably accept, unless they want 2-3 years for significantly less per year but more total

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    That number is speculation by Carig. It may well be realistic, but it is Carig's speculation. It is not official information - nor was it presented as such in the article.
    What's scary is the Mets might have less money than that to spend.

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    Cheap basterds.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet:31968531
    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    With only 30 million to spend (I despise these owners) as per Carig, the Mets should look at Cishek, Shaw and Nunez.
    That number is speculation by Carig. It may well be realistic, but it is Carig's speculation. It is not official information - nor was it presented as such in the article.
    Anyone else excited about another talented Cuban player coming over and possibly signing this year while the Mets will not be competitive to sign him? Julio Martinez, and he's a center fielder which is a position of need now and likely will still be a year or two from now.

    I'm stoked for the opportunity to watch as my favorite team sits on their *** again while another high upside international player joins the league.

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    The Mets are a waste of time with these owners. They clearly donít care about spending the money it takes to build a contender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    The Mets are a waste of time with these owners. They clearly donít care about spending the money it takes to build a contender.
    Astros and Indians started the 2017 season with a payroll of $30 m less than the Mets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Astros and Indians started the 2017 season with a payroll of $30 m less than the Mets.
    And **** load more young star talent as well.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All:31971224
    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Astros and Indians started the 2017 season with a payroll of $30 m less than the Mets.
    And **** load more young star talent as well.


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    Exactly. We don't know how to draft so if we wanna really compete we will have to spend money. We're basically counting on Rosario and Smith to be really good, otherwise we have no minor league hitters in the minors any time soon.

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    https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/928432269492211712


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