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    Quote Originally Posted by Fla.SticKy View Post
    Bro, the Jets? Cmon mannnnnnn!

    ...he has to feel Brady has good time left..
    No. JG wasn't going to sign some team friendly deal next year, so he had to go, earlier we get more.

    I doubt JG raises SF enough to hurt the pick value BTW.
    I am not a con artist! I am a businessman! I have a big brain and I'm good at making deals! People are just jealous of my BIG BRAIN! BAD!

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    Ealy could have been here, 15-20 plays a game. He is a specialist. We now in part have to get a guy to get pressure because BB was miffed the guy wouldn't stretch his game.

    Sometimes a sow's ear is just that, and we could have used him.
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    It was already reported that they wanted to keep Jimmy G and pay him but he wanted to play and be QB1 but they were not about to give him the starting Job over Brady, so they got what they could get for him. And Apparently the browns never offered a 1st rd pick for him so to say they could have gotten more for him last offseason is false

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    Did anyone hear BBs statement, he made it seem like he did not want this to happen, but he had no choice, almost makes me wonder if he was hoping Brady would retire so they could transition to the future!

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    How is it that the Bengals were going to get a 2nd and 3rd round draft pick for aj mccarron from the browns but we were only able to get a 2nd for garrapolo?

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    Jimmy G Traded

    Probably because Dalton is done in Cinci after this year, and AJ McCarron could actually be an option for Cinci as a starter next year. JG , while the better overall prospective starter, was never gonna start here so long as Brady was around (prob 3-4 more years) and teams knew we had more motivation to move him so they lowballed us.so
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    Quote Originally Posted by JerseyBrave View Post
    Did anyone hear BBs statement, he made it seem like he did not want this to happen, but he had no choice, almost makes me wonder if he was hoping Brady would retire so they could transition to the future!
    Brady can say what he wants but IMO, he's heading to retirement at some point in the next four years. BB likes to talk about doing what's best for the TEAM but I don't think he did that in this case.

    I would have franchised Jimmy in 2018 and traded Brady in 2019 and let him finish his career someplace else. You'd keep your Qb of the future and still get at least one 1st for Brady and probably more. Franchise Qbs are the hardest commodity to find in the NFL but that's what Jimmy looked like when he played, and what BB has also called him.

    IMO, this move has the post-Bird Celtics written all over it where sentiment overruled business. The Celtic were through winning Championships with the big three and should have moved them and taken the PR hits.

    No one would doubt BB if he did it so this is a short-term mistake that will affect them long-term, IMO, like it did the Celts. Bird and McHale wanted to crush the Celts after they moved into the front office of the Pacers and Timberwolves. What happened to the family then???

    Good luck finding another franchise QB Bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKO View Post
    Brady can say what he wants but IMO, he's heading to retirement at some point in the next four years. BB likes to talk about doing what's best for the TEAM but I don't think he did that in this case.

    I would have franchised Jimmy in 2018 and traded Brady in 2019 and let him finish his career someplace else. You'd keep your Qb of the future and still get at least one 1st for Brady and probably more. Franchise Qbs are the hardest commodity to find in the NFL but that's what Jimmy looked like when he played, and what BB has also called him.

    IMO, this move has the post-Bird Celtics written all over it where sentiment overruled business. The Celtic were through winning Championships with the big three and should have moved them and taken the PR hits.

    No one would doubt BB if he did it so this is a short-term mistake that will affect them long-term, IMO, like it did the Celts. Bird and McHale wanted to crush the Celts after they moved into the front office of the Pacers and Timberwolves. What happened to the family then???

    Good luck finding another franchise QB Bill.
    I understand the whole "what's better for the team" argument... but TB12 will not wear another jersey in his career. It would be a dick move by NE, the guy takes pay cut after pay cut to keep the team competitive. If NE were to **** TB12 in anyway it would be a bad organizational move. We have seen 5 Superbowl wins and 7 appearances, 14 division titles. We are spoiled rotten as fans and there is no possible way that the team does what they did in the last 15+ years going forward. TB12 has more Superbowl losses than franchises have appearances... let that sink in.
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    Most likely they lose Brady in the next four years no matter what. The smart move was to hold onto Garopollo because he'd be a long term answer instead of getting all warm and fuzzy over Brady who is a short term answer, albeit a great one. They had a franchise Qb waiting in the wings and now they don't. That's all I know. They could have gotten more for Brady in 2019, with two good years left, than they got for Garopollo in 2017 with at least ten years left. Have you lived through the crappy Pats teams like I did??? That's where they're headed without a top QB...just like the Celtics became for years without Bird and McHale.

    It spells a quicker end to BB as HC too IMO, because FRANCHISE QBS DON'T GROW ON TREES and that's what you need to win consistently in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKO View Post
    Most likely they lose Brady in the next four years no matter what. The smart move was to hold onto Garopollo because he'd be a long term answer instead of getting all warm and fuzzy over Brady who is a short term answer, albeit a great one. They had a franchise Qb waiting in the wings and now they don't. That's all I know. They could have gotten more for Brady in 2019, with two good years left, than they got for Garopollo in 2017 with at least ten years left. Have you lived through the crappy Pats teams like I did??? That's where they're headed without a top QB...just like the Celtics became for years without Bird and McHale.

    It spells a quicker end to BB as HC too IMO, because FRANCHISE QBS DON'T GROW ON TREES and that's what you need to win consistently in the NFL.
    If Brady has 4 years left, they will for sure find their guy by then. I’m gonna go with, we’d be lucky to get 3 out of TB12, but I believe in that time that Bill finds his guy like he did with Jimmy. Coach makes these crazy moves, but in the end things usually always pan out. I think that bill honestly believes Brady has a few good years left and he can find a guy in that time, I would even go as far as to say he’s probably got somebody that’s coming out or will be coming out that he has his eye on. There’s no way that Bill was going to tie up all that money and a franchise tag on the back up quarterback (not how he rolls), he will use that money to fill the holes and keep this team competitive...... Not to mention he will probably use the franchise tag on Butler if he has to. I really liked Jimmy too, and had high hopes of him coming in and leading us through the next run, but maybe Bill sees a better way. Kraft has been good to Belichick and Tom (“these are my guys”), I highly doubt Bill ***** Kraft and the future of the franchise for self. We’re gonna be ok dude, just sit back and eat a piece of this world famous humble pie and let this guy do his thing. History says he’s good at what he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKO View Post
    Most likely they lose Brady in the next four years no matter what. The smart move was to hold onto Garopollo because he'd be a long term answer instead of getting all warm and fuzzy over Brady who is a short term answer, albeit a great one. They had a franchise Qb waiting in the wings and now they don't. That's all I know. They could have gotten more for Brady in 2019, with two good years left, than they got for Garopollo in 2017 with at least ten years left. Have you lived through the crappy Pats teams like I did??? That's where they're headed without a top QB...just like the Celtics became for years without Bird and McHale.

    It spells a quicker end to BB as HC too IMO, because FRANCHISE QBS DON'T GROW ON TREES and that's what you need to win consistently in the NFL.
    I didn't like the trade, but I've kinda come around on the reasoning:

    1. You can't keep two QB's on an eroding roster, need the cap money for FA.
    2. The wait and see approach on TB @ 40 kinda made the Pats bypass better deals.
    3. Hard to fetch a huge return when JG is an unknown on an expiring deal @ Week 9.

    I'm a big Jimmy fan, but keeping him at top 10 money would be a problem. Overpriced QB's seem to keep teams stuck. That's why I say having an overpaid quarterback is almost as big a problem as having no quarterback.

    If they believed in Jimmy, coulda got him at a good deal, then they shoulda been bold and dealt Brady IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fla.SticKy View Post
    If Brady has 4 years left, they will for sure find their guy by then. I’m gonna go with, we’d be lucky to get 3 out of TB12, but I believe in that time that Bill finds his guy like he did with Jimmy. Coach makes these crazy moves, but in the end things usually always pan out. I think that bill honestly believes Brady has a few good years left and he can find a guy in that time, I would even go as far as to say he’s probably got somebody that’s coming out or will be coming out that he has his eye on. There’s no way that Bill was going to tie up all that money and a franchise tag on the back up quarterback (not how he rolls), he will use that money to fill the holes and keep this team competitive...... Not to mention he will probably use the franchise tag on Butler if he has to. I really liked Jimmy too, and had high hopes of him coming in and leading us through the next run, but maybe Bill sees a better way. Kraft has been good to Belichick and Tom (“these are my guys”), I highly doubt Bill ***** Kraft and the future of the franchise for self. We’re gonna be ok dude, just sit back and eat a piece of this world famous humble pie and let this guy do his thing. History says he’s good at what he does.
    LOL! Lots of other teams have been waiting longer than three years for their franchise Qb. You say he can tag Butler next year but he could have done the same with Jimmy if he hadn't made this move. I doubt he tags Butler anyway because he's regressed IMO.

    What it looks like to me is BB didn't know what he'd have with Brady this year...plain and simple. Now he's found out and taken a short term solution to a long term NFL problem: the franchise QB. Belichick has made plenty of moves that turned out to be mistakes and I think this is one of them. If he doesn't find his QB, I think it'll mean he retires sooner rather than later, but if he kept Jimmy it would be later, just like it worked out for the Packers with Favre and Rodgers.

    This team will be JAT(JUST ANOTHER TEAM) without Brady and worse without Belichick and this move could mean the end of the Belichick era is tied to Brady. It didn't have to be IMO.

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    Jimmy wants to play... and Jimmy wants to get paid.

    He's not going to play in NE unless Brady retires or transitions to receiver. He was a free agent at the end of the year and was going to get paid by someone.

    He would not have been with the team next year, NE would not franchise tag a second string quarterback... certainly not pay him tons of money for 2 - 3 years to sit behind Brady.

    Unfortunately this hurt his stock because other teams knew this... either trade him or let him walk. I hoped to see Jimmy G as our future signal caller but it is what it is... NE made the right move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TKO View Post
    LOL! Lots of other teams have been waiting longer than three years for their franchise Qb. You say he can tag Butler next year but he could have done the same with Jimmy if he hadn't made this move. I doubt he tags Butler anyway because he's regressed IMO.

    What it looks like to me is BB didn't know what he'd have with Brady this year...plain and simple. Now he's found out and taken a short term solution to a long term NFL problem: the franchise QB. Belichick has made plenty of moves that turned out to be mistakes and I think this is one of them. If he doesn't find his QB, I think it'll mean he retires sooner rather than later, but if he kept Jimmy it would be later, just like it worked out for the Packers with Favre and Rodgers.

    This team will be JAT(JUST ANOTHER TEAM) without Brady and worse without Belichick and this move could mean the end of the Belichick era is tied to Brady. It didn't have to be IMO.
    Yeah but Jimmy extended under what terms? That's a key piece to this analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elements1985 View Post
    Yeah but Jimmy extended under what terms? That's a key piece to this analysis.

    He wouldn't extend, he'd be tagged. They could match an (unlikely) non-exclusive tag offer from another team and get two 1s in return if they let him go, or they could hit him with the exclusive tag and make him stay. Brady would then be done in two years if Jimmy stayed. Either way it beats a 2nd IMO.

    One year with a high cap hit was worth it, IMO, to reap a long term benefit.

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