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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by basch152 View Post
    Wade wouldn't even make the all NBA 3rd team If he played today. Give me butler klay and harden over him.
    He would make 1st team every year. No SG in the league is on his prime level on both ends of the court.

    Go ahead and take them, my SG will win that matchup every time no debate and my SG is able to carry his team to a championship.
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    Looks good in that wine and gold, CavsNation were coming!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Disagree. They play roles that are typically reserved for the "role players" but they do them at such a special and elite level that they impact the games as much as the star players who play more traditional star player roles.
    Their role is defined though. Rodman for instance, can't do anything BUT be an elite defender/rebounder. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but he specializes to some degree.

    Green is an enigma. Put him on a bad team, I don't think he makes them much better. But put him on a very good team, he makes them great. Meaning, I think he has some huge weaknesses, that are easily covered up with high talent next to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Disagree. They play roles that are typically reserved for the "role players" but they do them at such a special and elite level that they impact the games as much as the star players who play more traditional star player roles.
    This.

    All players fulfill a role. The designation of a "role player" implies that they are less valuable players. Rodman's impact on the game far surpassed many "star players" of his era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    Their role is defined though. Rodman for instance, can't do anything BUT be an elite defender/rebounder. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but he specializes to some degree.

    Green is an enigma. Put him on a bad team, I don't think he makes them much better. But put him on a very good team, he makes them great. Meaning, I think he has some huge weaknesses, that are easily covered up with high talent next to him.
    By that definition, Melo has been a role player his entire career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    By that definition, Melo has been a role player his entire career.
    and not even a good one

    What is a "role" player? I guess it all starts with that.

    Tristan Thompson is a role player, right? Wasn't Rodman just the best Thompson possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    This.

    All players fulfill a role. The designation of a "role player" implies that they are less valuable players. Rodman's impact on the game far surpassed many "star players" of his era.
    by that definition, no, Rodman is not a role player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonJohnHorn View Post
    +1

    He's similar to Green defensively, and likely better.

    While he didn't have the offensive skills and passing that Green has, he was a historically amazing rebounder, so...

    He would have a huge contract and be winning DPOY awards and making the All-Defensive team.

    Role player? At bit unfair.
    I loved Rodman, but he had a selfish streak in him so I don't think he'd be better than Green on D, but certainly better on rebounding, and his defense was excellent when he was locked in and not number hunting. He was a pretty good passer too.

    He would need to be on a team where he wasn't expected to score and any points from him were a bonus, but yeah, he'd still be good.
    MacLean's Law: Everywhere you go there will be a jerk. Corrolary: If you go somewhere by yourself you become a jerk.

    I don't care where anyone chooses to go in free agency. I really don't. Yes, KD "broke" the NBA for a year or two, but I can't blame him for going to the team that fit what he wanted.

    The worst part about the Warriors winning is that now I can't have an opinion without being a "homer" or a "hater". It used to be that dialogue had merit independent of accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye15 View Post
    by that definition, no, Rodman is not a role player.
    Yeah I don't even think there is a concensus on what role player means. We don't generally call leading scorers role players, even if that's all they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    Rodman and Draymond are role players. They are just all-star level role players, some of the best in NBA history. Nothing wrong with that.
    LBJ is a role player, he's just a franchise role player.

    Everybody plays a role. If you play a role at an All-Star level, you aren't simply a 'role player'. Steve Kerr was a role player. He hit 3's. Bruce Bowen was a role player: he his 3's and played tough D.

    Rodman was arguably the greatest rebounder ever, and arguably the most versatile defender ever and almost certainly of his generation.

    Just because he had a limited offensive game does not relegate him to 'role player'. There are guys who score lots and don't play D (Harden), and people don't call them role players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    Yeah I don't even think there is a concensus on what role player means. We don't generally call leading scorers role players, even if that's all they do.
    At the end of the day, everybody plays a role so everybody is a role player, but if somebody has done anything well enough to be an All-Star, All-NBA and/or defensive player, and is winning awards (MVP, DPOY, even 6th man), then they have moved beyond merely playing a 'role' and have graduated to all-star.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    Yeah I don't even think there is a concensus on what role player means. We don't generally call leading scorers role players, even if that's all they do.
    of HOF'ers haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    This.

    All players fulfill a role. The designation of a "role player" implies that they are less valuable players. Rodman's impact on the game far surpassed many "star players" of his era.
    This, and the post this post references

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    well unfortunately it looks like you were right about Bargs...

    but hopefully we can use his expiring, if not at least we unloaded Novak's deal...

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    I wouldn't say either Green or Rodman are role players, they're all stars/HOF guys.

    When I say role player I'm talking about the Jae Crowders, Avery Bradleys, James Johnson, JR smith type players. Danny Green, Bruce Bowen, Horry, etc.

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    LOLOL.

    Rodman is the ultimate specialist, and Draymond is the ultimate glue guy. That's all I have to say, however you define role player is up to y'all. I don't see why you can't be an all-star and be a specialist or glue guy.

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    To me a role player is the cast you surround your star player with. There are 2 types of players primarily: the player you build around and the players that you put around that player.

    Rodman is insanely good yes, but nobody is going to build a team around Dennis Rodman.

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