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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    MLB and NPB agreed Otani would be grandfathered in under the old agreement, Ham Fighters would still get the $20M release fee. MLBPA doesn’t like arrangement and fear setting a precedent.
    I seem to remember a few years ago, that they did the same thing with UFA rules the year they started the Qualifying offer.. but agreed to grandfather all of the current crop... so they should stuff it... for fear they get hoisted by their own petard...

    That's good for Otani... but I would not be surprised if he's the last to move across for a while... That new deal really hurts the cause for the teams to give a damn about posting their players.. almost a why bother...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfrap View Post
    MLB does the same thing.. but it's only for 6 years... that's what the Union and the MLBPA negotiated...

    Miller realized that if he didn't.. there would always be a glut of players on the market (all of them) and that volume would keep salaries down... by only have some of them free... Salaries rise faster..
    My point, still indentured servitude regardless. MLBPA has some blame in this. They care about their membership, as they should, they protect the HIGH paying jobs and care less about the career minor leaguer. In fact a law suit was filed in 2014 challenging the MLBPA role, it sought to apply the terms of the Fair Labor Standards Act to minor league players despite MLB’s antitrust exemption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfrap View Post
    I seem to remember a few years ago, that they did the same thing with UFA rules the year they started the Qualifying offer.. but agreed to grandfather all of the current crop... so they should stuff it... for fear they get hoisted by their own petard...

    That's good for Otani... but I would not be surprised if he's the last to move across for a while... That new deal really hurts the cause for the teams to give a damn about posting their players.. almost a why bother...
    Hurt the cause of the team!! How about the player? Team still getting their $20M! Otani may be forced to take $2.5M (the highest bonus pool money left to teams that qualify) and a minor league salary.

    Otani has already made it clear it's not about the money. He is willing to leave millions on the table to play in MLB now! Yankees may be the big losers if he chooses to wait two years and cash in. In context, why should he have to settle when Ham Fighters insist on $20M compensation?
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    You guys worry too much. He'll be a Yankee soon enough. Whoever represents him knows the MLB loopholes in terms of control so even if he doesnt get paid initially, he'll make mega bucks sooner than later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    Hurt the cause of the team!! How about the player? Team still getting their $20M! Otani may be forced to take $2.5M (the highest bonus pool money left to teams that qualify) and a minor league salary.

    Otani has already made it clear it's not about the money. He is willing to leave millions on the table to play in MLB now! Yankees may be the big losers if he chooses to wait two years and cash in. In context, why should he have to settle when Ham Fighters insist on $20M compensation?
    I'm talking future.. why should Japanese teams post their players for so little return?

    I was never a fan of the $20 million hard cap... heck, the original system.. you had a few who had big numbers.. but you also had quite a few that had much lower numbers... Still, the guys with big numbers were also the better stars and worth more...

    Again, I'm looking from the Japanese team perspective.. MLB ownership (and the Union) are all greedy pigs. It's clear they think nothing of anyone but themselves... and fans only became a thought after that mess in the 90's when the fan's made themselves known (or else we'd still be having lockouts/strikes every damn time the CBA expired. It's clear both sides still want to fight it out.. but they've finally learned that they can't afford the fan backlash)...MLBPA is less about the members than about itself... they've been able to dictate rules for MiLB even though none of those guys are yet covered under the CBA...

    No.. MLB is all about the owners keeping their money... they would pay Harper $20/year if they could (there is no multiplier there)... They try to claim that they are being fair to the small market teams.. al the while being unfair to Japanese teams... Fair is relative... Some people think Socialism is fair.. but when you look at it.. you find for every bit of "fair" it brings to the table.. it's 10X more unfair in others... Fair is in the eye of the beholder.. and in this beholder, this new deal that MLB is offering is unfair to Japanese teams...

    As such.. I expect that you see a slowing in the number of posted players.. because if MLB is not going to pay fair market value... why sell to them?

    We also need to remember.. the Japanese teams are NOT on par with MLB.. they are only slightly above the AAA level. Which is probably why MLB wants to buy low... but it's the top draw in Japan, so how much is it costing tthem?
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    Shohei Ohtani has hired CAA Sports to represent him. CAA Baseball co-head Nez Balelo will be the lead agent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RCSownsU View Post
    Shohei Ohtani has hired CAA Sports to represent him. CAA Baseball co-head Nez Balelo will be the lead agent.
    That sucks. That's Melo's agency. They are gross.




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    Surprisingly around the industry we seem to be the favorites to land Otani if he is indeed posted. They are saying that the package we can sell him on is better than anyone else and we fit then environment he want to play in. We'll see what happens but if land him this team is going to be scary good for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by dayners81 View Post
    Surprisingly around the industry we seem to be the favorites to land Otani if he is indeed posted. They are saying that the package we can sell him on is better than anyone else and we fit then environment he want to play in. We'll see what happens but if land him this team is going to be scary good for a long time
    Yes. Yes. Yes!!!! Otani on the Yes network broadcast back to Japan, as well.

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    Shohei Otani: Rangers, Yankees, Twins can offer most to Japanese star

    Latest on who is in the running. bonus pool money and general accounting of situ.

    "While the posting agreement between MLB and Nippon Professional Baseball has expired, the sides agreed several weeks ago to the outlines of a deal that would for this offseason continue the rules of the previous agreement, a person familiar with that negotiation said, also speaking on condition of anonymity because no announcement was made. The rules call for the Japanese club to set a maximum $20 million posting fee, and any MLB club willing to bid that amount would be able to negotiate with Otani for 30 days."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ins/107466070/
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    So basically, why wouldn't he go to the Yankees then? Texas can only offer $200k more, his endorsements in NY would easily make that up. Minn has no chance because they are Minn, and they offer less than us. Big stage, consistently winning team, young up and comming dynasty and in his timeline, and Tanaka is his offseason workout partner and he just opted in. We can't give him big money, but maybe his boy Tanaka can spare a nice room for him or something, or let him "borrow" some wheels. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Even though money is not an issue now, what the other teams can offer is barely enough to live on for a famous person, atleast the 3.25 mil can hold him off until his big payday, and who better to give him that big payday than the Yankees. We both know Texas and Minn ain't gonna come up with the funds when his time comes, he may as well already be on the team that is gonna be able to stay on. We got a really good shot at this guy. Imagine what an advantage it will be to have his bat when we play in a national league park, in the world sereies!!!

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    ^^^Precisely why many pundits have the Yankees as the favorites to land him. It's not about the money, (he is already well off) it's about the stage. None larger than Yankee Stadium. Young, competitive team with an unparalleled history. A tradition of excellence.

    In the end it's a personal decision, one not based on money but other more elusive criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    ^^^Precisely why many pundits have the Yankees as the favorites to land him. It's not about the money, (he is already well off) it's about the stage. None larger than Yankee Stadium. Young, competitive team with an unparalleled history. A tradition of excellence.

    In the end it's a personal decision, one not based on money but other more elusive criteria.
    Tanaka and Matsui are the ONLY ones to sell to Otani.....

    Those two are HUGE heroes back at their mainland. They will wine and dine him and sell it to him easily...You could also include Kuroda and that other useless pitcher who went 0-7 back in the Torre years, forgot his name...
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    and 6 years of control, which keeps his salary somewhat lower than if he had the full unlimited free agent glory hole.

    If he is good then he will make his money at a later date. They could also do an extension in a year or two and buy out more years......He needs to be patient, play a few minor league games to get adapted to American baseball and get ready for the big leagues which is going to be a huge challenge for him. But he is talented and he is going to be an interesting player on how they will allocate his usage..
    Last edited by rrzubnyy; 11-09-2017 at 11:39 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drt1010 View Post
    ^^^Precisely why many pundits have the Yankees as the favorites to land him. It's not about the money, (he is already well off) it's about the stage. None larger than Yankee Stadium. Young, competitive team with an unparalleled history. A tradition of excellence.

    In the end it's a personal decision, one not based on money but other more elusive criteria.
    This is one case where the big market is both the boon.. and the bust... He'd have a better chance to getting to do both hitting and pitching in a smaller, "losing team" market...

    Where in NY, if he's not the best, he won't get that shot.. and a playoff team he's probably not going to be a top 9 bat on the team.
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