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  1. #31
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    Generally the truth lies somewhere in the middle. We're talking about tense situations that require split second decision making on both parties. Bennett should not have run. I'm sure some of the officers involved went a little further than they should have in their handling of Bennett. Both parties made decisions in a split second, had they had time to think about them, they probably both would have chose differently. A police officers job is reactionary. It's very easy to look back and say "he was wrong" when he made a reactionary decision.

    There are bad cops. Yes. There are many more good cops. I've been in and around hundreds of situations where good people make bad decisions in their dealings with police officers that get themselves into situations they never should have been in. 3 years ago my uncle was pulled over for speeding. Instead of just listening to the officers instructions he decided to be a wise *** to the cop and make his job more difficult than it needed to be in a very simple situation. In the end, the police officer ended up cuffing him and taking him to the station. My uncle continued to mouth off to the police officer and the police officer let my uncle "slip" down a flight of stairs resulting in a broken collar bone. Was this officer in the wrong? 100%. Do I feel bad for my uncle? Not in the least. He created this situation that ended in a broken collar bone.

    As a nation we must take personal responsibility of our own actions and the end results they cause. This is not an acceptance of the other parties wrong doing/reaction. But if you're the creator of the issue, I have no pity for you and your OWN actions. Many of these situations are overblown and could have easily been avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    I'd like to see the data behind this information considering each state and locality have their own requirements.

    Though not a police officer, I have a degree in Criminal Justice and Finance. Many of my peers who were in my criminal justice program are now police officers and we certainly delved into the law more than anything else during our studies.
    Only 1% of Police departments require a college degree and not even half the police officers reported taking a single college course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    I'd like to see the data behind this information considering each state and locality have their own requirements.

    Though not a police officer, I have a degree in Criminal Justice and Finance. Many of my peers who were in my criminal justice program are now police officers and we certainly delved into the law more than anything else during our studies.
    I know in the township I worked of the 16 officers I knew, 10 had AAs in something unrelated, 3 had bachelors in Geography, Physics, and English, 2 had no degree, and the chief was the only one with a degree in Criminal Justice. Of those 10, 6 of them were military at one point. All of them were training more on tactics than law.

    It was a little disconcerting to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    Lol anyone would be a whiney ***** if they were treated the way he was.

    If I got handcuffed face down on the curb with an officer pointing a gun at my head and threatening to blow my brains out, I'd have a problem with it too.

    Law Enforcement in the United States needs a complete overhaul. From training to practice, it's a major failure. Sure there's good cops out there, but at this point, there's far too many improperly trained police on a power trip.
    I don't disagree but this point is a billion percent ridiculous. If you truly believe our Law Enforcement needs a COMPLETE overhaul, I really don't know what to say.

    As with other people talking about their personal experience(s) with Law Enforcement, I've had plenty myself with friends in the force, working in the ER, seeing police in and out all the time. I've never had an issue with one, absolutely never.

    4 years ago I got a DUI and I was completely cooperative since I knew I ****ed up and wasn't getting out of it (it wasn't a check-point) and the cop was telling me how he wished others acted like me. Not sure if he was just pushing bs but at the hearing he showed up and was giving me pointers to reduce it because I wasn't an ******* when he arrested me.

    I'll never understand being a minority targeted by police, never going to deny it's a thing, but I just feel that if you're of a any race, not being combative is the absolute best thing you can do to not be persecuted by the police. No reason to give the police any sort of reason to think you will be. Just seems easy to me. Going back to working in the ER, I've seen cops bring criminals in of all races and be having conversations with them like they're pals but are absolutely dicks to them if the arrested are being dicks to them or any of the ER staff.

    Seriously, just don't be a dick and you're probably already looking at a less hostile engagement. Again, not saying some cops aren't crooked and regardless what you do, they'll be that way, but why not respect them first?
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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    and I disagree.... When you have a population like we do in the United states with the gun laws the way they are etc etc etc and the amount of crime we have daily bad officers slip through the crack... Yet we need an overhaul? That is just flat out dumb... The majority of cops are fine... its the minority that have been the issue and that minority is most likely less than 1 percent of actual officers but because anytime an officer does something bad it gets story of the month esp if its a white cop on black citizen. How about Bennett doesnt run when the cops are telling everyone to freeze? Na that is way to much to ask for right? Its far better to run and then blame the Cops after or bring out the race card. Funny how the there is no video of any of the other black people that were in the club being forced down by cops... They probably didnt run and actually listened to the officers but yo **** THAT YOLO.
    There are over a million cops. I don't think any of us have interacted with enough to have any credibility on blanket statements like this (and the same would apply to someone who said that the majority of cops are bad people too).


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    There are over a million cops. I don't think any of us have interacted with enough to have any credibility on blanket statements like this (and the same would apply to someone who said that the majority of cops are bad people too).
    Exactly. mgj's post of "law enforcement needs a complete overhaul," is as bad as this. There are over a million officers like you're saying, so even if there are thousands of incidents where the cops in the wrong, there's still no reason for a 'complete overhaul.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    Exactly. mgj's post of "law enforcement needs a complete overhaul," is as bad as this. There are over a million officers like you're saying, so even if there are thousands of incidents where the cops in the wrong, there's still no reason for a 'complete overhaul.'
    Bull ****. The United States is number one in the world when it comes to officer abuse and killings committed by officers. The data speaks for itself.

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    About 90% of black gun violence is homicide. About 80% of white gun violence is suicide. (According to Brookings Institute research- "Race and Guns in America")

    We see warzones in cities across the US even worse than Chicago (per capita shootings). In Chicago about 700 people were shot and killed in 2016. Again, that's not even the highest murder rate per capita.

    There's a major issue with gun violence within black neighborhoods in America. Police have to work in those conditions.

    Homicide by gun is the leading cause of death for black people (male and female) age 14-35. More than all other causes of death combined.

    BLM and other groups intentionally ignore the #1 threat to black lives because it would go against their real objectives. The real objective is to shift blame onto an exterior enemy with the goal of building a "mass movement" in order to destroy the "white supremacist capitalist patriarchy".

    They're a socialist organization at the end of the day. One fixated on race/gender as a means of ginning up hysteria. Too many well meaning people have fallen for this. Ending police brutality or saving black lives isn't the real goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamburger View Post
    About 90% of black gun violence is homicide. About 80% of white gun violence is suicide. (According to Brookings Institute research- "Race and Guns in America")

    We see warzones in cities across the US even worse than Chicago (per capita shootings). In Chicago about 700 people were shot and killed in 2016. Again, that's not even the highest murder rate per capita.

    There's a major issue with gun violence within black neighborhoods in America. Police have to work in those conditions.

    Homicide by gun is the leading cause of death for black people (male and female) age 14-35. More than all other causes of death combined.

    BLM and other groups intentionally ignore the #1 threat to black lives because it would go against their real objectives. The real objective is to shift blame onto an exterior enemy with the goal of building a "mass movement" in order to destroy the "white supremacist capitalist patriarchy".

    They're a socialist organization at the end of the day. One fixated on race/gender as a means of ginning up hysteria. Too many well meaning people have fallen for this. Ending police brutality or saving black lives isn't the real goal.
    Are people who advocate for an end to world hunger ignoring sexual abuse? No. It's just a different cause. Black on black crime is a very real issue. So it racial discrimination. protesting one doesn't mean you're ignoring the other.


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    England has had 55 fatal police shootings in the last 24 years..... The United States had 59 in the first 24 days of 2015.

    Look at any of the police brutality statistics and it will tell you all you need to know. Officers are not properly vetted, educated, or trained. These are people being given dangerous weapons, and they don't have the knowledge or expertise to use them properly.

    I mean 1% of the departments requires more than a high school education? And these people are supposed to know how when to use lethal force, and when not to?

    No. They've proven that it needs an overhaul. The rotten Apple argument no longer holds water when there has been so much violence from the boys in blue.

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    Democrats also supported them as a means to win the 2016 election but it backfired. Big time.

    They did this with the anti-war movement in 2008. They did this with Occupy in 2012. They did it with BLM in 2016 going into the election.

    ALL of these movements fizzled after the elections. It's funny how that happens yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    Bull ****. The United States is number one in the world when it comes to officer abuse and killings committed by officers. The data speaks for itself.
    Where do we rank in violence against officers? Not picking a fight, serious question.

    Intuitively, I'd think we rank highest in both. With our rights that go beyond most nations there's more opportunity for violence in general and against officers specifically. I'm pretty sure we have the most shootings from civilians. With that context - more violent crimes than other nations - I'd expect our officers to have more killings as well in response to the increased threats.

    I'm not sure if the data supports that though. That's just me logically thinking things out. I could be totally off.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Are people who advocate for an end to world hunger ignoring sexual abuse? No. It's just a different cause. Black on black crime is a very real issue. So it racial discrimination. protesting one doesn't mean you're ignoring the other.
    It's not a different issue. High levels of black gun violence is linked with police culture in black communities.

    Also, all three founders of BLM are intersectional socialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    England has had 55 fatal police shootings in the last 24 years..... The United States had 59 in the first 24 days of 2015.

    Look at any of the police brutality statistics and it will tell you all you need to know. Officers are not properly vetted, educated, or trained. These are people being given dangerous weapons, and they don't have the knowledge or expertise to use them properly.

    I mean 1% of the departments requires more than a high school education? And these people are supposed to know how when to use lethal force, and when not to?

    No. They've proven that it needs an overhaul. The rotten Apple argument no longer holds water when there has been so much violence from the boys in blue.
    If you're going to pay all the money to go through school, wouldn't you invest it for a job where you aren't putting your life on the line and if you do react to something you perceive as a real threat then the whole country might very well be poking and prodding through your entire life to publically shame you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by hamburger View Post
    It's not a different issue. High levels of black gun violence is linked with police culture in black communities.

    Also, all three founders of BLM are intersectional socialists.
    It is a different issue. Sure they're is some link between them but that still doesn't mean protesting one is ignoring the other.


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