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  1. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    For sure. But I don't think police need to know how to diagnose or treat it. I think they need to recognize mental illness and be better trained on how to de-escalate conflict.
    You can't deescalate someone who has no control over reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamburger View Post
    Calling me racist for pointing out why black people have more police contact on average is absurd. This is the exact tactic they use to deflect attention away from social/cultural accountability. To deflect attention away from the fact that many police work in absolute warzones.

    We call them warzones because more people have been killed (in one city) over a ten year period than troops in the Iraq war. These warzone exist across the USA.

    On the topic of policing in black areas it doesn't matter how or why this gun violence exists. Only thing that matters is the fact it exists and it needs to stop before black males age 14-45 can expect equal treatment under the law.

    Stop perpetuating warzone steeet culture. Stop blaming it on white people and take some responsibility for creating, ignoring or maintaining this culture. Stop being cowards (mostly said to white liberals and socialists who have crafted these never ending excuses and thus harm to the black community). You people are doing far more harm than good.

    If movements like BLM were focused on ending this culture instead they would be doing 100% more good. If they used that same energy, the same resources and hysteria they would probably put a huge dent in warzone steet culture. And yet....white people are the target. More of the same that we saw from the communists of the 1960's. What has that brand of activism done for the black community? Not talking about MLK, more so the BP party and it's offshoots.

    And no, when speaking of trends such as homicide rates and gun violence it doesn't mean every single black male age 14-45 is out there committing gun violence. It only means that specific demographic is far more likley to commit gun violence compared to, say, a 65 year old Asian women. Facts are not racist. Statistics are not racist.

    That accusation is losing power. Like the boy who cried wolf.
    Jesus ****ing Christ cant believe you just said that. Smh didn't know I had to re-earn my rights already being a US citizen
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    You guys see what we have to deal with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrotha View Post
    Jesus ****ing Christ cant believe you just said that. Smh didn't know I had to re-earn my rights already being a US citizen
    Ya that is literally racial discrimination...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgjohnson7851 View Post
    Bull ****. The United States is number one in the world when it comes to officer abuse and killings committed by officers. The data speaks for itself.
    Hands down one of the stupidest things I have ever seen posted on here...

    yes... I am sure the people of North Korea or any of the other multitudes of police states would agree with your assessment... I am sure the "data" is accurate

    LMFAO

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    I just don't see how the cause/effect here. Maybe there was excessive force here, that's kind of a perspective thing, but where in the world is there any proof that the excess was a result of racism? How do we know he wouldn't have been treated exactly the same if he wasn't black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrotha View Post
    Jesus ****ing Christ cant believe you just said that. Smh didn't know I had to re-earn my rights already being a US citizen
    I don't think that's what he was trying to say. You don't have to earn anything, but like he was saying earlier, if 53% of murders were made by people in wheelchairs, the police would be more on alert towards people in wheelchairs than people not in wheelchairs. In that sense, it would be foolish to assume you're going to not be looked at with a raised eyebrow, and thus, not treated entirely equally. It's not really anyone's fault. The law-obiding black person has no reason to be treated any differently than any other law-obiding person, but the police can't reasonably be expected to ignore the trend either.

    It's not a matter of whether or not it's fair, it's the fact that if you fit into a certain demographic with a significantly higher likelihood of committing violent crime, you might be treated more aggressively than someone else (especially if you happen upon the scene of a crime and you act/appear suspicious). I'm not saying there aren't instances where the aggression can't be excessive, but the notion that police officers just go around executing black people because they're black on a frequent basis is what feels far fetched.

    Even Michael Bennett whining about the incident walked away just fine in the end. If he hadn't run, he probably would have been spared from the treatment he did get. Listen to the police, do what you're told, ask questions later.

    And no, I don't get everyone talking about "if you had a gun in your face you'd act the same way!" because in all likelihood, if I had a gun pointed in my face I'd probably be scared stiff and silent and not even be thinking about opening my mouth or moving unless directed to. I'd probably piss myself, which, okay I'd need to wash my pants but I wouldn't be harmed or killed.

    I also have to agree with his other sentiments to some extent. If the idea of a movement is to save black lives, shouldn't the primary focus of the movement be to stop whatever the overwhelmingly highest source of killings of black lives is?
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    Soooo now because I'm black I fit into the "demographic" of being violent. I wish I was misquoting you but this is basically what your alluding to. There is no justification for any weak minded preconception to think that one race of people is more violent then the other. We need to be better than this

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    Quote Originally Posted by La_bibbers View Post
    I don't think that's what he was trying to say. You don't have to earn anything, but like he was saying earlier, if 53% of murders were made by people in wheelchairs, the police would be more on alert towards people in wheelchairs than people not in wheelchairs. In that sense, it would be foolish to assume you're going to not be looked at with a raised eyebrow, and thus, not treated entirely equally. It's not really anyone's fault. The law-obiding black person has no reason to be treated any differently than any other law-obiding person, but the police can't reasonably be expected to ignore the trend either.

    It's not a matter of whether or not it's fair, it's the fact that if you fit into a certain demographic with a significantly higher likelihood of committing violent crime, you might be treated more aggressively than someone else (especially if you happen upon the scene of a crime and you act/appear suspicious). I'm not saying there aren't instances where the aggression can't be excessive, but the notion that police officers just go around executing black people because they're black on a frequent basis is what feels far fetched.

    Even Michael Bennett whining about the incident walked away just fine in the end. If he hadn't run, he probably would have been spared from the treatment he did get. Listen to the police, do what you're told, ask questions later.

    And no, I don't get everyone talking about "if you had a gun in your face you'd act the same way!" because in all likelihood, if I had a gun pointed in my face I'd probably be scared stiff and silent and not even be thinking about opening my mouth or moving unless directed to. I'd probably piss myself, which, okay I'd need to wash my pants but I wouldn't be harmed or killed.

    I also have to agree with his other sentiments to some extent. If the idea of a movement is to save black lives, shouldn't the primary focus of the movement be to stop whatever the overwhelmingly highest source of killings of black lives is?
    Bruh guess we just view the world differently..

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrotha View Post
    Soooo now because I'm black I fit into the "demographic" of being violent. I wish I was misquoting you but this is basically what your alluding to. There is no justification for any weak minded preconception to think that one race of people is more violent then the other. We need to be better than this
    You do fit a demographic. Does it mean you're violent? No, but black people commit significantly more violent crime in the United States than any other race. Do I think it's genetic? No, I think it's a result of the culture that has been created combined with the fact that black people haven't had freedom as long as white people have and generally tend to be in lower income and more poverty stricken situations. I don't think there's any preconception that a race is more violent, I think a race, for whatever reason, have shown an overwhelming tendency towards violence.

    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrotha View Post
    Bruh guess we just view the world differently..
    So you don't want black people to stop dying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrotha View Post
    Jesus ****ing Christ cant believe you just said that. Smh didn't know I had to re-earn my rights already being a US citizen
    No need to intentionally twist my point. I'm in no way suggesting black people don't deserve equal rights. I'm explaining the world as it is in reality.

    What I'm saying should be obvious. I'm recognizing the fact black people experience more police contact. Unfortunately we won't be able to minimize police contact (especially for black males age 14-45) until, ON AVERAGE, that demographic is no longer responsible for an exorbitant amount of gun violence in the streets of America.

    If saving black lives is the goal, ending this warzone murder culture should be priority #1. It will do two things. First, it would save countless lives. Second, it would minimize police contact for black people- especially black males age 14-45.

    If you want to be angry with someone be angry with the people that are either perpetuating, ignoring or excusing this culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoulBrotha View Post
    Soooo now because I'm black I fit into the "demographic" of being violent. I wish I was misquoting you but this is basically what your alluding to. There is no justification for any weak minded preconception to think that one race of people is more violent then the other. We need to be better than this
    No need to intentionally twist my point. I think you're going to keep doing this over and over. Aren't you?

    Of course not all black males age 14-45 are out there shooting people. It's called a trend. Statistically speaking a black male age 14-45 is hundreds of times more likley to shoot someone compared to Asian females age 60-85. How many Asian females age 60-85 are shot by police? Statistically speaking close to zero.

    You want to take this further?

    Men in general are victims of police shootings more than 95% of the time. Why? Because men in general commit more than 90% of the murders in the US.

    Does this mean all men are murderers? No, of course not. It means men are far more likley to have agressive contact with police because men are the ones out there committing most of the serious violence.

    Is it sexist for me to point this out? Of course not. It's just a fact. Do I hate men? No. Do I think men should be shot by police for no reason? No I do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamburger View Post
    No need to intentionally twist my point. I think you're going to keep doing this over and over. Aren't you?

    Of course not all black males age 14-45 are out there shooting people. It's called a trend. Statistically speaking a black male age 14-45 is hundreds of times more likley to shoot someone compared to Asian females age 60-85. How many Asian females age 60-85 are shot by police? Statistically speaking close to zero.

    You want to take this further?

    Men in general are victims of police shootings more than 95% of the time. Why? Because men in general commit more than 90% of the murders in the US.

    Does this mean all men are murderers? No, of course not. It means men are far more likley to have agressive contact with police because men are the ones out there committing most of the serious violence.

    Is it sexist for me to point this out? Of course not. It's just a fact. Do I hate men? No. Do I think men should be shot by police for no reason? No I do not.
    Great post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Average training time in America for being a officer is 19 weeks. 4.5 months. I think most would argue it's not nearly enough. Takes 4-8 years to be a certified PGA member and it's not nearly as complicated as being an officer.
    Ehh.
    The police academy can only teach you so much.
    Much of the job is based upon instinct and your ability to make important decisions on the fly.
    You can create scenarios that simulate real life and drill them in the academy but it's really not the same.

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