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  1. #1
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    Janikowski declines to rework contract.

    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...passe-contract


    Not sure what I think. I would love for Seabass to go out a winner and retire as a Raider, but Janikowski has been making big money for a long time maybe its time for him to take one for the team. His back injury raises some concerns as well.

    At the end of the day its a business decision,
    Last edited by Proximo; 09-04-2017 at 09:57 PM.

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    Sucks to see him go out like this, but his consistency has dropped off in recent years....Well...ever since the departure of Shane Lechler, anyways. If his back is injured, and this isn't a cover up powerplay by management, seabass should take the cut and retire with the team that set him up for life.

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    I agree... Sucks to see it end this way but always remember and never forget....... Fall in like with players, never fall in love. Bye Seabass.

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    Just read that, kind of shocked me a bit. But I agree with you Slvr , he is a big cap hit, and at the end of the day a declining kicker. He got paid a lot for a kicker for a long time, even his draft contract from being picked so high. He should be able to afford a dip to retire here. In 2010 he set the record for highest kicking contract ever.

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    Am I reading the numbers right, he's only a $360,000 hit to the cap to waive him?
    "..When you have great coaches, then after you have great coaches you get great players, you have a great organization, and you tell them one thing-

    Just win baby"

    ~ Al Davis ~

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    According to Schefter:
    If Sebastian Janikowski is on Raiders' roster at 4 pm Tuesday, $238K on contract - 1/17th of $4.05M - is guaranteed. $4.05M gets gtd Sat.

    So reading all the tweets, it sounds like Janikowski has a back issue which may cause him to miss games. So RM is trying to get him to take a pay cut or we sign someone else? This back issue is news to me. The first I've heard of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    According to Schefter:
    If Sebastian Janikowski is on Raiders' roster at 4 pm Tuesday, $238K on contract - 1/17th of $4.05M - is guaranteed. $4.05M gets gtd Sat.

    So reading all the tweets, it sounds like Janikowski has a back issue which may cause him to miss games. So RM is trying to get him to take a pay cut or we sign someone else? This back issue is news to me. The first I've heard of it
    I didnt, like most fans in here, didn't know anything about his injury. That's why Im trying to read through the lines and think this is an organizational power move. Regardless, and looking at his play from recent seasons, I've witnessed a decline in production and accuracy. I thought for the longest time, Seabass would easily set the record for the longest field goal in NFL history. Nowadays, those thoughts have progressed to dreams. I love Seabass. He's a true Raider at heart. I'll never forget the story of he and Barrett Robbins disappearing into Mexico the night before the '02 Superbowl. That just screams Raider of yesteryear. But his performance has declined, and truthfully, so should his salary. Thats gotta be a tough pill for him to swallow and its probably hard for him to accept that the end of his incredible professional career is coming to a close. With all the names we've recently tried out, I can't help but wonder what happened to practice squad phenom Georgio Tavecchio? This is premature, but THANK YOU, SEABASS.

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    I'm good with moving on from Janikowski. He had a good run for sure to bad he was stuck on a lot of crappy Raiders teams. That being said he missed a few clutch kicks that lost us games over the years.
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    we all know and appreciate what Seabass has done for our organization throughout the years. Through the thick and thin of it. And a lot of us have been saying for a few years that he's a tad overpaid... and cutting him to save some cap space would be a-OK in my book...

    The real question though is... what is RM going to do with that money? If they take that 4 mil saved in cap space and allocate it to bringing in a veteran LB or two, i'm completely fine with that. However, if they're going to cut a Raider legend just to sit on the extra cash, that doesn't sit well with me.

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    Now with more info I can see the issue more clearly. If Jano can't perform due to injury and depending on the severity or length of time he is unavailable I can understand RM requesting a modification to his contract. Jano can't expect RM to allow his guarantees come into effect if there is a good chance he won't play for a while or not perform at the level they expect of him. Yes RM negotiated this contract in good faith, but it was with the expectation Seabass would continue to perform. Injuries are part of the game, but Jano hasn't played in a game for a while and his age is probably a contributing factor. He isn't going to get better as a kicker and we expected he would be replaced at the end of this contract.

    If they were just trying to squeeze him so he would play for less than that is a different story.

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    I'm not opposed to moving on the problem is how close it is to the season. Seabass has been an above average kicker with great distance. Special teams will win or lose 2-3 games a year. A kickoff return either way, a clutch FG or a miss, a blocked punt or King running for 30 yards on a bad snap for a first down. Remember when a injury to Condo a long snapper cost us a game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevj77:31835301
    I'm not opposed to moving on the problem is how close it is to the season. Seabass has been an above average kicker with great distance. Special teams will win or lose 2-3 games a year. A kickoff return either way, a clutch FG or a miss, a blocked punt or King running for 30 yards on a bad snap for a first down. Remember when a injury to Condo a long snapper cost us a game?
    This x2. At this point in our season why tamper with the formula? Not to mention his kickoffs are still boomimg. He certainly is passed his prime and next season no problems seeking a new kicker.

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    Now you guys are ok with the team not honoring their side of the contract. Hilarious

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason View Post
    Now you guys are ok with the team not honoring their side of the contract. Hilarious
    I actually side with both Penn and the Raiders. Penn has every right to ask for a raise he outperformed his contract and the only leverage he had was to hold out. The Raiders can cut anyone at anytime contracts aren't guaranteed.

    A lot of people that had a problem with Cap taking a knee, which was his first amendment right have no problem with socialist ideals being used by the NFL like the salary caps, revenue sharing and franchise tags.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub8uMcLiKJk

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    Quote Originally Posted by jason View Post
    Now you guys are ok with the team not honoring their side of the contract. Hilarious
    I was thinking the same thing, especially over such a small amount of money.

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