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  1. #856
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    Curious if Hawks would eat salary with second round picks for Belinelli and or Ersan. Well and get Dedmon in the deal as well. Them 3 combined is $18M about $6M each. Delly,Telly and either Vaughn or Wilson or 2022 first works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twellner9 View Post
    So kind of my feel good thought of the day, I know we complain a lot about some bad contracts the Bucks have dished out (and they have don't get me wrong) but has anyone seen what Cleveland's been doing lately? Lost big again last night, and while they are still the favorites in the East their defense is terrible and they have some awful contracts on that team. If Lebron happens to leave, or even if he stays for $30 million and starts to slow down, that team will drop so fast. Henson and Delly have bad contracts no doubt. But look at Tristan Thompson, JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, even Kyle Korver. They aren't even being forced to pay IT yet, so he's either gone after the year or they likely dish out another $25M a year contract.

    I think its highly likely, just looking at their roster makup, that this is the Cavs last season as a playoff team. LBJ is likely to bail because his team is going to age quickly and be awful. I have a feeling they will make some desperation moves at the deadline to try and dish off some bad contracts and pick up some defense.
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    Interesting the Cavs say they'll move Thompson in the "right deal". For them the "right deal" should be to any team willing to eat $18 million for a guy that only plays 19 MPG and averages less than 6 RPG and less than 0.5 BPG.

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    Thompson contract is horrible.

    Tristan Thompson $16,400,000 $17,469,565 $18,539,130

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    Milwaukee Bucks (22-18)

    Over the last week and a half, the Bucks have been on a seesaw. They’ve been on a win-loss, win-loss, win-loss pattern since the New Year came about. There has to be some semblance of consistency shown in the near future.

    Milwaukee needs to start taking (and making) more threes. With Khris Middleton, Malcolm Brogdon and Tony Snell on the outside, that should be a dependable trio to knock those three-balls down. Crashing the boards has been an issue that’s held this team back in the past and is affecting them right now, but we’ll get into that more in-depth.

    Notable Ending Contracts:

    Jabari Parker** — $6,782,392

    Names Worth Talking About:

    The Bucks already made their blockbuster deal in November when they acquired Eric Bledsoe from the Phoenix Suns. Greg Monroe was whom they sent out, and other than him, there really are no players to pay attention to that may get shipped away.

    What Milwaukee is waiting on is the impending return of Jabari Parker, which will pretty much act as a mid-season acquisition when he rejoins the team.

    Biggest Area of Need at the Deadline:

    Rebounding. It’s been what’s held the Bucks back this year from being a true contender. It doesn’t help that they lost their best big man in the deal for Bledsoe, but it was a splash where the pros outweighed the cons. Still, Milwaukee’s dependence on John Henson is the X-factor of how far they can go.

    Reports suggested Milwaukee threw their name in the hat in the DeAndre Jordan sweepstakes, but similar to the Cavs situation, the return L.A. is asking for may not be worth it. If the Bucks are involved in the deadline talks though, it should be for a big.
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    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybtkjeoz

    Thoughts on this trade? I hate trading Middleton so soon. But man he pisses me the **** off sometimes. Trade is Middleton, Delly for Whiteside,Winslow. Heat fans probably say no. But who knows. They got BAM. They probably need to dump Whiteside eventually. Unless we can get Vucevic or Dedmon, O'Quinn on the buy low and keep Middleton fine. Still think our core four has to be broken up sooner rather then later. Figure if a team wants Middleton they gonna wanna test drive him a season and a half or so. Not when he's expiring on a player option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybtkjeoz

    Thoughts on this trade? I hate trading Middleton so soon. But man he pisses me the **** off sometimes. Trade is Middleton, Delly for Whiteside,Winslow. Heat fans probably say no. But who knows. They got BAM. They probably need to dump Whiteside eventually. Unless we can get Vucevic or Dedmon, O'Quinn on the buy low and keep Middleton fine. Still think our core four has to be broken up sooner rather then later. Figure if a team wants Middleton they gonna wanna test drive him a season and a half or so. Not when he's expiring on a player option.
    No Thanks, that trade puts us in worse cap situation than we are right now and Whiteside is a player that makes his team worse when he plays, even though he puts up some good numbers. Middleton has been very inconsistent, but is on a much cheaper and shorter deal than Whiteside. Plus Whiteside and Winslow raise or 18/19 cap by an additional $7 plus Mil over Delly and Middleton. Makes it more likely we have to let Parker walk and more likely we have to let Bledsoe walk. So then our 2nd best player is Brogdon at about $15 Mil per season.

    I don't think we're winning any championships with a big 3 of Giannis, Brogdon and Whiteside. Whiteside is under contract for $23/25/27. Middleton 14/13/13 option.
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    Well factor in Delly's 3 year deal is in the trade and we get out of extending declining Middleton. Telly maybe retires? As it stands no way in hell we keep all of Middleton, Parker, Bledsoe, Brogdon anyway. Also Winslow I had as a throw in. All we have to worry about is dumping Henson and Snell after this deal and Telly maybe retires. Then who knows what Parker gets. Hopefully other teams are scared off and we low ball him. If he expect that 5/$148M. He has to go as well.

    Brogdon at $15M per? EWWWWW. Brogdon isn't consistent enough to fetch that. Yeah he's got high b-ball iq and decent guy. But until he shows he can average 20 a night consistently at efficient clips then sure $15M per. But until then he's maybe worthy of $10M per. He's only a second round pick as well. There might be some kinda CBA rule to what % he can jump up for next contract. I thought second round picks more less get MLE kinda money? Isn't a MLE now days like $8.8M or $10M? They use to be like $5.6M to $6.7M. Personally i'd love to trade Middleton even up for Walker. Walker is a baller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    Well factor in Delly's 3 year deal is in the trade and we get out of extending declining Middleton. Telly maybe retires? As it stands no way in hell we keep all of Middleton, Parker, Bledsoe, Brogdon anyway. Also Winslow I had as a throw in. All we have to worry about is dumping Henson and Snell after this deal and Telly maybe retires. Then who knows what Parker gets. Hopefully other teams are scared off and we low ball him. If he expect that 5/$148M. He has to go as well.

    Brogdon at $15M per? EWWWWW. Brogdon isn't consistent enough to fetch that. Yeah he's got high b-ball iq and decent guy. But until he shows he can average 20 a night consistently at efficient clips then sure $15M per. But until then he's maybe worthy of $10M per. He's only a second round pick as well. There might be some kinda CBA rule to what % he can jump up for next contract. I though second round picks more less get MLE kinda money? Isn't a MLE now days like $8.8M or $10M? They use to be like $5.6M to $6.7M. Personally i'd love to trade Middleton even up for Walker. Walker is a baller.
    Agree that we can't keep everybody and perhaps Middleton might be the guy to trade, but Whiteside doesn't even play that much on Heat and his contract is ridiculous. Middletons contract is decent. We would get rid of Delly, but dumping Delly's bad $9.6 Mil contract for a worse Whiteside $23 - $27 Mil contract is not the answer. Plus then were paying $40 Mil per season to Centers in a league where that position is nearly obsolete.

    Brogdon probably has no problem putting up 20 PPG when he becomes the 2nd or 3rd option instead of the 4th or 5th option. Brogdon looks better than Middleton right now. He's a better defender, better 3 point shooter, better at attacking the basket. Brogdon is still improving where as Middleton has peaked and may be declining, especially on defense. Part of Brogdons production issues come from Kidds inconsistent useage as well. One game about 3 weeks ago he didn't play till the last 3 or 4 minutes of the 1st half.

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    I'd have no trouble trading Middleton as long as we're getting back a plus player on a contract thats no greater in value than the player. I'd love to combine Middleton and Parker and get somebody really good to help Giannis and company. Maybe we should put together a package for Boogie. It would be a gamble, banking on Boogie resigning, but Boogie can rebound, score, shoot the 3, thats the kind of Big man that has real value in today's NBA.

    If Boogie walks, we get nothing for Middleton and Parker though. We'd like to have an idea that Boogie would be willing to resign with the Bucks to make it worth it.
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    Bledsoe, Brogdon, Snell, Giannis & Boogie
    Delly, Kilpatrick, Brown, Maker & Henson
    JET, Vaughn, Munford, Wilson

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    Cousins is a loser though. Hasn't won anything yet. Also back with the Kings he said $200M. Also come playoffs it be easy for opponents to get in his head and t'd up and kicked out of the game. We already had that tiny spiff with Williams kicked out of the Philly series. I could see Cousins doing same thing as a better player then Scott Williams. I don't mind Cousins. But he hasn't won anything yet. More less a stat padder on losing teams. He's probably Rasheed or Coleman really. Needs to get his head on straight. Then maybe. Also $200M sounds gross. 5 year deal that's $40M per. Yuck.

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    Best bet is to move Giannis to center. Parker can play PF. Middleton stays at SF. Brogdon still gets to start at SG. Unless we trade for Hill from Kings. He could maybe be had on the cheap for two Amigos. Since his third year is only like $2M guaranteed. I do like up and coming Brown. Just hope we don't have him as a throw in. Brogdon and Brown maybe could surpass Middleton and Snell output eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    Best bet is to move Giannis to center. Parker can play PF. Middleton stays at SF. Brogdon still gets to start at SG. Unless we trade for Hill from Kings. He could maybe be had on the cheap for two Amigos. Since his third year is only like $2M guaranteed. I do like up and coming Brown. Just hope we don't have him as a throw in. Brogdon and Brown maybe could surpass Middleton and Snell output eventually.
    I hope Bledsoe isn't playing in MKE past this year. He's fine and all and Bucks won the trade clearly but don't see his game lasting. Not a great shooter and was injury-riddled for a while. Don't see his 30s going well. I agree Brogdon isn't a $15M player. But if Delly got 9.6 lol. It would be nice to have a PG that can drop some dimes. It's nice having guys that can create their own shots for themselves but it'd be nice to get others easy shots. Bucks don't have that and when they struggle the ball sticks and ISO-ball and CLANG.

    Why the Cavs are struggling and I thought Jalen Rose made a great point. Cavs have a lot of specialists. Even if they make it out of East, Warriors have guys that can dribble, pass and shoot. Cavs have LeBron but Warriors have 3 or 4 guys that can do all 3.

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    https://valleyofthesuns.com/2018/01/...ade-look-like/

    Just another suggestion trade from the Suns point of view. They suggest two second round picks and Telly for Chandler. Not so sure Chandler is worth two seconds at this point. Suns beat writer getting a bit greedy and bitter since we swindled them already in the Bledsoe trade.

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