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  1. #1
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    Max Scherzer will have as many Cy Youngs as Kershaw after this year



    A future HOF'er regardless of career WAR.

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    I wouldn't say it's a lock since Kershaw is returning this Friday and they're separated by ~twenty innings. Not saying that's the right pick, but I can see him getting it as well if he continues pitching like himself.

    But future HOF'er for sure if he keeps this up for another couple years.

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    Closer to 30 innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush View Post
    I wouldn't say it's a lock since Kershaw is returning this Friday and they're separated by ~twenty innings. Not saying that's the right pick, but I can see him getting it as well if he continues pitching like himself.

    But future HOF'er, absolutely.
    yeah i expect Clayton to outpitch Max in September and take the Cy Young award home again, showing who the true daddy of the NL Cy Young is haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by natsbats View Post
    Closer to 30 innings.
    My point still remains.

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    Big deal. Steve Carlton had more Cy Young's than Tom Seaver. But Tom Seaver was the better pitcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post
    Big deal. Steve Carlton had more Cy Young's than Tom Seaver. But Tom Seaver was the better pitcher.
    Better ERA but Lefty has won the triple crown in 72' where he won 27 games on a crappy team that won 48 that season. I would take Carlton


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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post
    Big deal. Steve Carlton had more Cy Young's than Tom Seaver. But Tom Seaver was the better pitcher.
    It's highly debatable who the better pitcher of these two were. It's nearly negligible the difference. Carlton definitely has longevity on Seaver.
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    Winzzzzz.

    By the way, they won 59 games that season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post
    Big deal. Steve Carlton had more Cy Young's than Tom Seaver. But Tom Seaver was the better pitcher.
    Okay, Curt Schilling was better than Bret Saberhagen

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    Kershaw will end up having a lower ERA, more wins and less losses than Max. The only thing Max will have over him is K's. Maybe a close vote but Kershaw should take it. They still owe him one for giving one to Dickey a few years back.
    Last edited by lamar2006; 08-31-2017 at 01:08 AM.

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    Well Kershaw was robbed a few times. But yes, Max has been great and definitely on the path/clinching to be a HOF.

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    Scherzer still has work to do for the Hall. It took him several years to become a dominating ace (12 at the earliest).

    Since 2012, he has 189 starts, a 139 ERA+, 2.95 FIP, and 1246 innings, 36.7 rWAR


    Roy Halladay from 01-11 posted a 148 ERA+, 2300 innings, 65.4 rWAR and a 3.08 FIP. And that may not be enough for him to get to Cooperstown because the rest of his career was so meh (or non existent really).

    Santana from 02-10, posted a 150 ERA+, 1779 innings, 3.27 FIP, 50.1 rWAR, and I don't think he has much of a chance for Cooperstown.



    Max is going to need more work after this year. I'd argue he needs another 2-3 years like his last 5. Or a solid decade of compiling as a 2 WAR guy. This won't be easy to do.


    Kershaw is the only active pitcher that could retire today, and I could see entering Cooperstown (Greinke, Verlander and CC have an argument, Felix with an outside argument).

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    It's a crime if Halladay doesn't make the HOF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps08-09 Champ View Post
    It's a crime if Halladay doesn't make the HOF.
    I agree, but Mussina, Brown, and Schilling make me wonder.

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