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    Are conservatives no longer allowed to gather?

    I consider myself a minarchist ... which puts me closer to libertarian that any other political group in the US though many of my beliefs are very liberal some are conservative.

    I read this article and it, like many others like it, makes me wonder what we are setting ourselves up for here.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/c...fears-49431602

    In the 60s hippies had peaceful protests and the violence done against them was loudly decried (even when it was done by the government) ... now we have this idea that conservative means racist and somehow people believe conservatives are National Socialists.

    I noticed this with the beginnings of the Tea Party too (before it was coopted by larger scarier organizations) where people who are supposedly liberal and peaceful were mocking them protesting the government's waste.

    Do people even think about what they are protesting anymore?

    I'd like to talk about liberal gatherings vs conservative gatherings any why does it seem it's becoming less and less okay to hold some not-unreasonable beliefs in this country?

    I'm not talking about Trump ... I think he's crazy and I've said so from the beginning of the election. But this isn't all Trump. And I'm not talking Nazi's because this isn't just Nazi's. What is going on that people can't say what they think and people can't just listen without feeling threatened by words?

    I've got 2 kids and this **** is more depressing than the hurricane heading toward me.
    MacLean's Law: Everywhere you go there will be a jerk. Corrolary: If you go somewhere by yourself you become a jerk.

    I don't care where anyone chooses to go in free agency. I really don't. Yes, KD "broke" the NBA for a year or two, but I can't blame him for going to the team that fit what he wanted.

    The worst part about the Warriors winning is that now I can't have an opinion without being a "homer" or a "hater". It used to be that dialogue had merit independent of accusations.

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    Obviously not.
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    Obviously not!

    But honestly, maybe it's just because I'm a few beers in...but the paragraphs in your post are all over the place. More concisely, what's your concern? Like, I don't get what your point is here?

    Is the government unfairly shutting down right-wing crowds? I'd argue they've been too lenient at times, and too strict at others. The second things get violent they have every right to quench things. Sounds like they were too quick here in San Fran, but then again, I saw all the right-wing advertisements about this protest...and it was pretty charged. Everyone was on their toes. Not sure what your hippy comment was...nothing anyone on the right is 1/100 as peaceful as hippies.

    But most of the pressure on the right-wing groups have come from civilians. Like last weekend and all those protests being canceled. That wasn't the government.

    If antifa had a rally, I'm sure plenty of people on the right would be very eager for the government to shut that **** down. I didn't see any Trump supporters complain about the government's incredibly overzealous approach to the protesters at Trump's Arizona rally. It's still an issue for both sides. Save it with the poor right wingers! You saw how militarized the police have been against BLM. ****ing TANKS!

    It's a tricky thing. On one hand, people have the right to assemble and spout whatever they want to spout. On the other hand, the police have to do their jobs and do what they can to prevent violence. It's a delicate balance.


    EDIT: I think some of your struggle here is distinguishing between the far-right and conservatives. There's a hugely important difference there.
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    What exactly is the goal of this thread? I don't see what it accomplishes or seeks to really ask.

    The answer is so obvious that there is no doubt an alterior motive. There is zero ban on conservative protest in this country just like liberal protest isn't banned.

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    You can't talk about it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbang View Post
    You can't talk about it either.
    Sure you can. Right here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fingerbang View Post
    You can't talk about it either.
    Actually I am able to talk about whatever I please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Actually I am able to talk about whatever I please.
    lol, you don't see the purpose of this thread, right?

    The people who held the rally in Boston went out of their way to denounce nazism and point out the diversity within their organization and you guys still called it a white supremacist rally and beat your chest when antifa went down there to shut it down.

    The Republicans at Cal Berkeley have to pay 15k to have a speaker for security fees because antifa shows up and riots when a gay jew comes to speak (I mean nazii), lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    Obviously not!

    But honestly, maybe it's just because I'm a few beers in...but the paragraphs in your post are all over the place. More concisely, what's your concern? Like, I don't get what your point is here?

    Is the government unfairly shutting down right-wing crowds? I'd argue they've been too lenient at times, and too strict at others. The second things get violent they have every right to quench things. Sounds like they were too quick here in San Fran, but then again, I saw all the right-wing advertisements about this protest...and it was pretty charged. Everyone was on their toes. Not sure what your hippy comment was...nothing anyone on the right is 1/100 as peaceful as hippies.

    But most of the pressure on the right-wing groups have come from civilians. Like last weekend and all those protests being canceled. That wasn't the government.

    If antifa had a rally, I'm sure plenty of people on the right would be very eager for the government to shut that **** down. I didn't see any Trump supporters complain about the government's incredibly overzealous approach to the protesters at Trump's Arizona rally. It's still an issue for both sides. Save it with the poor right wingers! You saw how militarized the police have been against BLM. ****ing TANKS!

    It's a tricky thing. On one hand, people have the right to assemble and spout whatever they want to spout. On the other hand, the police have to do their jobs and do what they can to prevent violence. It's a delicate balance.


    EDIT: I think some of your struggle here is distinguishing between the far-right and conservatives. There's a hugely important difference there.
    My alcohol may have had an effect on my clarity

    My issue isn't MY ability to differentiate far right from right, but the media and the public to recognize the difference.

    People who are non-radical speakers who are conservative are getting shouted down and having things thrown at them. It's bizarre to see the left, who for most of my life championed free speech to be so against it all of a sudden.
    MacLean's Law: Everywhere you go there will be a jerk. Corrolary: If you go somewhere by yourself you become a jerk.

    I don't care where anyone chooses to go in free agency. I really don't. Yes, KD "broke" the NBA for a year or two, but I can't blame him for going to the team that fit what he wanted.

    The worst part about the Warriors winning is that now I can't have an opinion without being a "homer" or a "hater". It used to be that dialogue had merit independent of accusations.

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    Can anyone name a vocal conservative in a scripted fictional show in movies or on TV that is NOT sponsored by Fox/Murdoch/religious right?

    I love movies and fictional TV and I have no issue with the liberal point of view being reflected there ... but it looks lately like having a conservative opinion means you can't be associated with media if it has a liberal message or not.
    MacLean's Law: Everywhere you go there will be a jerk. Corrolary: If you go somewhere by yourself you become a jerk.

    I don't care where anyone chooses to go in free agency. I really don't. Yes, KD "broke" the NBA for a year or two, but I can't blame him for going to the team that fit what he wanted.

    The worst part about the Warriors winning is that now I can't have an opinion without being a "homer" or a "hater". It used to be that dialogue had merit independent of accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Can anyone name a vocal conservative in a scripted fictional show in movies or on TV that is NOT sponsored by Fox/Murdoch/religious right?

    I love movies and fictional TV and I have no issue with the liberal point of view being reflected there ... but it looks lately like having a conservative opinion means you can't be associated with media if it has a liberal message or not.
    Seeing as theater and drama programs generally aren't supported by conservatives, there's no real surprise of that to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    Seeing as theater and drama programs generally aren't supported by conservatives, there's no real surprise of that to me.
    But that's totally not true. I know a lot of people that support the arts who are conservative. In fact, in California the support for the arts in schools is pathetically low compared to the support for the arts in public schools in the deep deep red state of Texas.

    I'm not a republican by belief and certainly not by voting history. I'd have voted Bernie if I could have. But it seems like Trump's crazy *** has turned all people on the left into people who can only see "us and them", and everybody who isn't "us" are racist, religious, anti-poor, pro-corporate, hate filled monsters ... and I believe that message is actually going to screw some good democrats out of elections because people are tired of feeling like the media version of democrats isn't them so they might as well vote for the people who are not insulting them.

    Trump is a f-ton of crazy-*** in a shell of hair-spray ... but what he says doesn't represent the thoughts of the VAST VAST majority of people in this country, and those people are not being heard and it's going to get worse as long as the left keeps trying to shut them up. No doubt there are Trump loving ***-hats at all of these things, and no-doubt there are racists ... but the left leaning groups who have as their purpose to not allow any conservative to speak in public are not doing anybody in this country any good. It's MUCH more powerful to listen and disagree eloquently than to shout, call people names, and commit violence and vandalism.
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    MacLean's Law: Everywhere you go there will be a jerk. Corrolary: If you go somewhere by yourself you become a jerk.

    I don't care where anyone chooses to go in free agency. I really don't. Yes, KD "broke" the NBA for a year or two, but I can't blame him for going to the team that fit what he wanted.

    The worst part about the Warriors winning is that now I can't have an opinion without being a "homer" or a "hater". It used to be that dialogue had merit independent of accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    But that's totally not true. I know a lot of people that support the arts who are conservative. In fact, in California the support for the arts in schools is pathetically low compared to the support for the arts in public schools in the deep deep red state of Texas.

    I'm not a republican by belief and certainly not by voting history. I'd have voted Bernie if I could have. But it seems like Trump's crazy *** has turned all people on the left into people who can only see "us and them", and everybody who isn't "us" are racist, religious, anti-poor, pro-corporate, hate filled monsters ... and I believe that message is actually going to screw some good democrats out of elections because people are tired of feeling like the media version of democrats isn't them so they might as well vote for the people who are not insulting them.

    Trump is a f-ton of crazy-*** in a shell of hair-spray ... but what he says doesn't represent the thoughts of the VAST VAST majority of people in this country, and those people are not being heard and it's going to get worse as long as the left keeps trying to shut them up. No doubt there are Trump loving ***-hats at all of these things, and no-doubt there are racists ... but the left leaning groups who have as their purpose to not allow any conservative to speak in public are not doing anybody in this country any good. It's MUCH more powerful to listen and disagree eloquently than to shout, call people names, and commit violence and vandalism.

    I agree that the majority of Americans do not support our so-called President, but the Republicans do. Sure, there are good people on the right as you mentioned but the vast majority of Republicans support this fat lunatic. He has a 79% approval rating among Republicans and that's the only thing that keeps his approval rating in the 30's for the entire country, because Democrats and Independents can't stand him. He is by and large supported by the conservatives. Trump, and his morals, are tied to the political right as long as he continues to be extremely popular among that base. The Republicans well and truly own Trump.

    About your larger point though yes I agree with you, a faction of the left tries to shut down free speech. Even though the speech they try to shut down is often times horrible rhetoric, usually against equality, people have a right to speak their beliefs in this country. A lot of college students around the country try to shut people up rather than listen to an opinion they don't believe and since the left preaches inclusiveness they need to learn to be inclusive to those they don't agree with. The KKK, Nazi's, White Supremacists, and other hate groups that come out because our President emboldens them so are another matter however. Their hate always has to be condemned by our leaders, especially a President.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerSL View Post
    I agree that the majority of Americans do not support our so-called President, but the Republicans do. Sure, there are good people on the right as you mentioned but the vast majority of Republicans support this fat lunatic. He has a 79% approval rating among Republicans and that's the only thing that keeps his approval rating in the 30's for the entire country, because Democrats and Independents can't stand him. He is by and large supported by the conservatives. Trump, and his morals, are tied to the political right as long as he continues to be extremely popular among that base. The Republicans well and truly own Trump.

    About your larger point though yes I agree with you, a faction of the left tries to shut down free speech. Even though the speech they try to shut down is often times horrible rhetoric, usually against equality, people have a right to speak their beliefs in this country. A lot of college students around the country try to shut people up rather than listen to an opinion they don't believe and since the left preaches inclusiveness they need to learn to be inclusive to those they don't agree with. The KKK, Nazi's, White Supremacists, and other hate groups that come out because our President emboldens them so are another matter however. Their hate always has to be condemned by our leaders, especially a President.
    I think a lot of Republicans "support" Trump because of the title, not the man or what he's said/done ... but I get your point. He's such a douche. Can't STAND to see him speak.

    The faction of the left shutting down free speech has been INCREDIBLY effective in doing so, and I don't think it's JUST college students. I spent a large part of my life in Berkeley and it's depressing that a community that was so incredibly for freedom over anything else would spawn this kind of BS.
    MacLean's Law: Everywhere you go there will be a jerk. Corrolary: If you go somewhere by yourself you become a jerk.

    I don't care where anyone chooses to go in free agency. I really don't. Yes, KD "broke" the NBA for a year or two, but I can't blame him for going to the team that fit what he wanted.

    The worst part about the Warriors winning is that now I can't have an opinion without being a "homer" or a "hater". It used to be that dialogue had merit independent of accusations.

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    Conservatives have a right to demonstrate. People don't like what they are supporting have a right to show up and be louder. this just makes me shrug. When trump was holding these 30,000 people rallies people lauded the right for turning out. But now... If the cause only gets 300 and 1000 show up to denounce their message well, sucks that you can't organize better. But I'm guessing that you are gonna get shouted down. I mean this just sounds like sour grapes (which is always HILARIOUS from the folks calling the left snowflakes).

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