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  1. #1
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    What are your opinions on the "Game Score" stat?

    developed by Bill James. If you don't know it, it's pretty simple:

    1. Start with 50 points.
    2. Add one point for each out recorded, so three points for every complete inning pitched.
    3. Add two points for each inning completed after the fourth.
    4. Add one point for each strikeout.
    5. Subtract two points for each hit allowed.
    6. Subtract four points for each earned run allowed.
    7. Subtract two points for each unearned run allowed.
    8. Subtract one point for each walk.

    Just curious as to if you guys ever go by game scores, and if you think it should become a more known/used stat. For instance, putting the SP's game score in the box score at the end of the game, etc.

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    I never used it or looked into it enough to see how it was calculated but I know a few posters here use it. It seems like a good stat. The more I look at it, it seems convoluted a bit though and random.


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    Quote Originally Posted by coakland View Post
    developed by Bill James. If you don't know it, it's pretty simple:

    1. Start with 50 points.
    2. Add one point for each out recorded, so three points for every complete inning pitched.
    3. Add two points for each inning completed after the fourth.
    4. Add one point for each strikeout.
    5. Subtract two points for each hit allowed.
    6. Subtract four points for each earned run allowed.
    7. Subtract two points for each unearned run allowed.
    8. Subtract one point for each walk.

    Just curious as to if you guys ever go by game scores, and if you think it should become a more known/used stat. For instance, putting the SP's game score in the box score at the end of the game, etc.
    Why 4 points for an unearned run? Why not 3? Or 5?
    Why 1 point for a strike out?
    Why 2 points for an inning after the 4th? Why not after the 5th?

    What does it mean?
    nothing

    It's an ok way to put a number on something that you can pretty much figure out anyway. What's a good start? What's a meh start? What's a bad start?


    I never look at it.

    And, it is in plenty of box scores.
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/b...98804230.shtml

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    ^ this

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    fili said it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by filihok View Post
    Why 4 points for an unearned run? Why not 3? Or 5?
    Why 1 point for a strike out?
    Why 2 points for an inning after the 4th? Why not after the 5th?

    What does it mean?
    nothing

    It's an ok way to put a number on something that you can pretty much figure out anyway. What's a good start? What's a meh start? What's a bad start?


    I never look at it.

    And, it is in plenty of box scores.
    https://www.baseball-reference.com/b...98804230.shtml
    Well ... if it is comparative data (game to game) the numbers themselves dont mean as much, right? If all games are scored the same way, you can compare them and draw conclussions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Well ... if it is comparative data (game to game) the numbers themselves dont mean as much, right? If all games are scored the same way, you can compare them and draw conclussions.

    Im not going to pretend to know what Im talking about. Im throwing **** on the wall so someone else can tell me if it sticks.
    That is a fair point.

    Chris Sale has an average game score this year of 68
    Clayton Kershaw has an average game score this year of 67
    Alex Wood has an average game score this year of 59
    Dallas Keuchel has an average game score this year of 59
    Jose Quintana has an average game score this year of 53
    Jaime Garcia has an average game score this year of 50
    Matt Moore has an average game score this year of 45
    Derek Holland has an average game score this year of 43


    That said, you can identify who has and has not performed so far this year in better ways.

    But, it does agree with those that have been exceptional, average, and poor.

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    Trash stat with little meaningful value that manages only to align positive outcomes with positive numbers and negative outcomes with negative numbers; I hate the thing.

    Right up there with OPS for me as a "we added meaningless numbers together and it only works because of the correlation of those numbers with other things!" stat.
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    Bill James is one of the absolute worst people in sports. Can't stand the guy.

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