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  1. #196
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    I get the feeling the White Sox wanted to ask for a package they know we would've rejected. Their rebuild is built around all their prospects coming up at the same time and as good as Bryant is, he doesn't fall into that category. It's why they took the package they did over the reigning MVP and why they took Jimenez over Schwarber (although, I could see most teams doing that one)

  2. #197
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    First: Tired of people calling the Cub system bad, mainly because the Cubs lack big name prospects. Cubs farm is not lacking for talent, if they were I am not sure Theo and company would have made this trade. Pretty sure Theo and company are confident that sytem will born the next wave of top end prospects. The system is neither good or bad just developing. Yes, the Cubs have enough to get Gray if they want to. Remember Beane operates differently than most GMs.

    Second: Q is an AS Level pitcher, thus is worth the suspects, I mean prospects. Eloy COULD be good but Q is already. Cease feels like his ceiling will be Cashner if he remains a starter (which I am not sure he will) or Matt Bush.

    Prospects are currency used to make the major league team better. That is what the Cubs doing to perfection. Q is rounding into form, and despite the slow start probably finish the year with a mid 3 ERA. And when the Cubs chase down the Brewers and win the division this trade will be a major reason for it.

    Gr8 trade.
    Screw sabermetics.

  3. #198
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    Thumbs up

    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefire View Post
    First: Tired of people calling the Cub system bad, mainly because the Cubs lack big name prospects. Cubs farm is not lacking for talent, if they were I am not sure Theo and company would have made this trade. Pretty sure Theo and company are confident that sytem will born the next wave of top end prospects. The system is neither good or bad just developing. Yes, the Cubs have enough to get Gray if they want to. Remember Beane operates differently than most GMs.

    Second: Q is an AS Level pitcher, thus is worth the suspects, I mean prospects. Eloy COULD be good but Q is already. Cease feels like his ceiling will be Cashner if he remains a starter (which I am not sure he will) or Matt Bush.

    Prospects are currency used to make the major league team better. That is what the Cubs doing to perfection. Q is rounding into form, and despite the slow start probably finish the year with a mid 3 ERA. And when the Cubs chase down the Brewers and win the division this trade will be a major reason for it.

    Gr8 trade.
    Well said. I completely agree with everything in this post.

  4. #199
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4cubs View Post
    Now that we know the Sox will trade with us, what would we have needed to give up to get Sale when he was available?
    Bryant

  5. #200
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    Quote Originally Posted by thawv View Post
    Bryant
    To me I think that was the White Sox high-balling us. I think the realistic starting point was probably Schwarber+Eloy or something like that which is more accurate and closer to what they ended up getting. Theo got the message and decided it was something he didn't want to do so he hung up.

    2016 PSD Cubs IGT record: 16-3 #AuthenticatesWithmyIGTs

  6. #201
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    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/proj...uintana-trade/

    KATOH says we possibly gave up Markakis (or Bruce, if you like) as a best case scenario for the Sox, and total crap (Franklin Morales = Cease) for 3.5 yrs of a top 15 SP

    KATOH is strictly a projection system based on statistics

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