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  1. #46
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    This is probably unpopular, but I think the Mets should just keep what they have.

    I would look into moving Walker to 3B and putting Flores at 2B where his arm won't hurt you. I know Walker has had some injury issues, but he won't be very expensive or require a lot of years. Flores has earned an everyday spot.

    If the Mets are dead-set on calling up Smith to play 1st, maybe Duda is the guy you deal. If the market is strong for Reed as well, then deal him as well. That's about all I would do.

    CF-Conforto
    3B-Walker
    LF-Cespedes
    RF-Bruce
    2B-Flores
    1B-Smith
    SS-Rosario
    C-d'Arnaud

    That infield defense should be a lot better overall.

    If the Mets move on from Bruce, I definitely want Cain patrolling CF here. Maybe retain Duda as well so the power isn't lacking in the lineup.

    CF-Cain
    RF-Conforto
    LF-Cespedes
    1B-Duda
    3B-Walker
    2B-Flores
    SS-Rosario
    C-d'Arnaud

    The Mets could go in so many directions this offseason, but I definitely think they need to buy some arms as well.

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    They might as well get rid of all the guys who are impending FA. If you want to get those guys back, its just as easy as re-signing them. I dont think Walker is going to be ready by the deadline to deal though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    They might as well get rid of all the guys who are impending FA. If you want to get those guys back, its just as easy as re-signing them. I dont think Walker is going to be ready by the deadline to deal though.
    Agreed. Which is also why I think it's likely that the Mets revisit contract extension talks with him in the offseason. With the injury issues though, he might still take a cheaper 1 year pillow contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    This is probably unpopular, but I think the Mets should just keep what they have.

    I would look into moving Walker to 3B and putting Flores at 2B where his arm won't hurt you. I know Walker has had some injury issues, but he won't be very expensive or require a lot of years. Flores has earned an everyday spot.

    If the Mets are dead-set on calling up Smith to play 1st, maybe Duda is the guy you deal. If the market is strong for Reed as well, then deal him as well. That's about all I would do.

    CF-Conforto
    3B-Walker
    LF-Cespedes
    RF-Bruce
    2B-Flores
    1B-Smith
    SS-Rosario
    C-d'Arnaud

    That infield defense should be a lot better overall.

    If the Mets move on from Bruce, I definitely want Cain patrolling CF here. Maybe retain Duda as well so the power isn't lacking in the lineup.

    CF-Cain
    RF-Conforto
    LF-Cespedes
    1B-Duda
    3B-Walker
    2B-Flores
    SS-Rosario
    C-d'Arnaud

    The Mets could go in so many directions this offseason, but I definitely think they need to buy some arms as well.
    I like your first scenario except I would sign Moustakas to play 3B . I think he might be the equal of Walker offensively or a slight bit better, he is better defensively as he is a natural 3B while Walker has never played the position and with the exception of Flores the other 3 IF positions are quite good defensively. Lagaras and Nimmo would be 4th and 5th OFS and TJ Rivera and someone else for IFs . I am not sure about C . Maybe sign Castillo or keep D'Arnaud and Rivera although the former presents defensive problems. I was thinking about Lucroy but I don't think there is enough money to sign Moustakas, Reed, Bruce , Blevins , Davis and Lucroy.

    The one negative about this scenario is that we still lack speed .

    The bullpen has to be addressed big time and as I previously posted I would go all in on Wade Davis, we still have Familla, and re-sign Reed and sign Blevins as a lefty specialist. What I would do with the bullpen , however, is not stick with the orthodox way it is being handled now. I would use Davis, Reed and Familla as need in the game arises and not be set with a 7th inning guy , a 8th inning guy and a closer.
    Last edited by Brooklyndave; 06-26-2017 at 05:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeGamer81 View Post
    Outside of deGrom, Reed's probably our highest-value chip. He's getting traded.
    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Outside of deGrom, Bruce is our biggest trade chip.

    deGrom isn't getting dealt btw.
    You are both right, Reed is our number 1 pitching trade chip and Bruce our number 1 bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by olimets02 View Post
    isnt blevins our best trade chip right now
    I don't want to deal Blevins unless we get something substantial. Blevins is an important piece to the 2019 plan.

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    Mets are going to be sellers ?

    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    They might as well get rid of all the guys who are impending FA. If you want to get those guys back, its just as easy as re-signing them. I dont think Walker is going to be ready by the deadline to deal though.
    I know money talks, but I still feel like it's easier to sign players that already play for you. Like if the money is equal, I'm sure the player would be more comfortable staying where they are at and not moving their family around.

    So anyone we have plans on having next season, I wouldn't deal them. I don't want to rebuild, this team needs to compete now.
    Last edited by YoungStuna; 06-26-2017 at 10:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    I know money talks, but I still feel like it's easier to sign players that already play for you. Like if the money is equal, I'm sure the player would be more comfortable staying where they are at and not moving their family around.

    So anyone we have plans on having next season, I wouldn't deal them. I don't want to rebuild, this team needs to compete now.
    It's all about the dollar ultimately. I think why you dont see it that much is just because most teams aren't built to compete right away after a fire sale. In this case, the Mets just need to re-tool and some of those guys along with the prospects they get for them in trade (before re-acquiring them)can be part of that process.

    Otherwise, you're just sitting on assets you'll potentially lose in FA and get nothing for. The new QO compensation sucks.

    I don't know who the Mets plan on bringing back either. The writing is on the wall with Duda, Granderson, Cabrera, but guys like Reed, Walker, Bruce could help this team in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brooklyndave View Post
    I like your first scenario except I would sign Moustakas to play 3B . I think he might be the equal of Walker offensively or a slight bit better, he is better defensively as he is a natural 3B while Walker has never played the position and with the exception of Flores the other 3 IF positions are quite good defensively. Lagaras and Nimmo would be 4th and 5th OFS and TJ Rivera and someone else for IFs . I am not sure about C . Maybe sign Castillo or keep D'Arnaud and Rivera although the former presents defensive problems. I was thinking about Lucroy but I don't think there is enough money to sign Moustakas, Reed, Bruce , Blevins , Davis and Lucroy.

    The one negative about this scenario is that we still lack speed .

    The bullpen has to be addressed big time and as I previously posted I would go all in on Wade Davis, we still have Familla, and re-sign Reed and sign Blevins as a lefty specialist. What I would do with the bullpen , however, is not stick with the orthodox way it is being handled now. I would use Davis, Reed and Familla as need in the game arises and not be set with a 7th inning guy , a 8th inning guy and a closer.
    Yeah that would be cool with me as well.

    Yeah we would lack speed for sure, which is why I kind of like bringing Cain here. Maybe we can bring back Bruce to play some 1st base? He's more reliable than Duda and he could play some OF in a pinch if someone gets hurt.

    CF-Cain
    RF-Conforto
    LF-Cespedes
    1B-Bruce
    2B-Flores
    3B-Moustakas
    SS-Rosario
    C-d'Arnaud

    I actually really like this lineup as it seems balanced. Maybe you have Cabrera on the bench who can play 2B and 3B off the bench as well.

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    I would trade deGrom for Bregman, Martes and either Tucker (OF), Paulino(RHP) or Whitley(RHP).

    My feeling is that deGrom has had two major arm injuries and his value is at an alltime high. It's better to trade to soon than too late.


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    We all know that Sandy is methodical and conservative to a fault. As strange as it sounds, I believe that NOT selling at this point is the riskiest strategy he could take. It exposes him to counting on multiple injury comebacks as well as equal to improved performances from veterans who constitute one of the oldest lineups in the league. Not selling would also be a missed opportunity to even marginally upgrade a minor league system that will lack depth and star power once Rosario and Smith are promoted. Cabrera's legs are shot. Walker's back and now leg makes him a bigger risk at his age. Reed and Blevins have legit value that could. I'll roll the dice on Smith over Duda next year and hope Duda brings us something. I'd even see what Wilmer can get us because he's not a third baseman and he's not exactly Jeff Kent with the bat at second either. Didn't think I'd say this but Bruce is the only guy of that group I'd consider keeping because he's a plus bat at his natural position. Then what do you do with Conforto? Regardless, the conservative move is to sell hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GottaBelieve View Post
    Honestly this team is going to have lots of money coming off the books and is not going to be that far away even if they sell most of the veterans and possibly an asset like deGrom - though I'd need to be overwhelmed to let that guy go.

    The OF should be set with Cespedes, Conforto and Lagares/Nimmo. You can add a bat here but it's pretty good without one.

    Flores is going to man one of the IF spots, probably 1st base. Rosario will be at SS. You need a 3rd baseman and someone to compete with Rivera for 2nd base. That's assuming Walker isn't brought back. I doubt he is.

    They need a major upgrade at C. And I'd like to think trading some of the veterans now will help solidify the pen.

    In FA they'll have to sign one big time starter - meaning someone who can at least be a high end number 3 guy.

    They'll have money to play with so I think if Alderson does a good job of shuffling the deck, they'll be right back in contention next year.
    Would it surprise anyone if Wright voluntarily retires by the end of ST 2018?

    Would not surprise me if Walker returns at 3B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Would it surprise anyone if Wright voluntarily retires by the end of ST 2018?

    Would not surprise me if Walker returns at 3B.
    Him leaving 27mil on the table would surprise me

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    It would be a buyout of some sort.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Claymation View Post
    It would be a buyout of some sort.
    Stretch out the 27 mil over 27 years...a la Bobby Bonilla.


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