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  1. #46
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    No way i give up Diaz for Gordon. I wouldn't mind getting Gordon, since he is a good defender and he's good leadoff option. But his contract is a bit high and I'm a little leery of paying decent money to a player whose primary attribute is speed and who's entering his age 30 season. And he's on the books through his age 32 or 33 season with an option.

    I know he's not just going to wake up one morning and not be able to run fast anymore. But such a huge portion of his game is his speed. He's a below average offensive player if you just look at his plate contributions. Where he becomes a valuable asset is because his baserunning and defense are incredibly valuable. Both of those attributes for him are at least in part linked to his speed.

    So I'm not against trying to acquire Gordon. And given that it's reported Miami wants to dump payroll, I'm not giving up legit prospects. I'm probably offering them something built around guys who need to be added to the 49 man for rule 5 protection and some lower level prospects. So maybe something like Jacob Nottingham and aaron Wilkerson. Perhaps have Kyle wren as an option as well. All of those guys are okay prospects, but they are all blocked or not major options in the near future.

    I also think prospects like Troy stokes, who had a good year this year but is probably lower on our OF depth chart than he would be other teams is another guy I'd be willing to offer. But given the risk associated with Gordon (contract and age), I'm not giving a top level prospect for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    No way i give up Diaz for Gordon. I wouldn't mind getting Gordon, since he is a good defender and he's good leadoff option. But his contract is a bit high and I'm a little leery of paying decent money to a player whose primary attribute is speed and who's entering his age 30 season. And he's on the books through his age 32 or 33 season with an option.

    I know he's not just going to wake up one morning and not be able to run fast anymore. But such a huge portion of his game is his speed. He's a below average offensive player if you just look at his plate contributions. Where he becomes a valuable asset is because his baserunning and defense are incredibly valuable. Both of those attributes for him are at least in part linked to his speed.

    So I'm not against trying to acquire Gordon. And given that it's reported Miami wants to dump payroll, I'm not giving up legit prospects. I'm probably offering them something built around guys who need to be added to the 49 man for rule 5 protection and some lower level prospects. So maybe something like Jacob Nottingham and aaron Wilkerson. Perhaps have Kyle wren as an option as well. All of those guys are okay prospects, but they are all blocked or not major options in the near future.

    I also think prospects like Troy stokes, who had a good year this year but is probably lower on our OF depth chart than he would be other teams is another guy I'd be willing to offer. But given the risk associated with Gordon (contract and age), I'm not giving a top level prospect for him.
    Agree 100 percent

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay87shot View Post
    Any chance a guy like Dee Gordon would be available? I would do Villar and a good prospect like Isan Diaz for Dee. He would be a great leadoff guy who doesn't strike out much.

    I wouldn't mind a top notch starter but I don't want to give up Brinson and 2 other good prospects to make that happen. I would move Hader to the rotation and go Anderson, Davies, Woodruff, Hader, and Suter (Nelson when he comes back.
    It sounds as if Nelson could be out for a decent chunk of time. So I would probably press to get an upgrade from suter. I'm fine trying hader as a starter, because even a good number 3 is more valuable than a dominant reliever in most cases. But I'm not convinced he'll be a great starter. I think his delivery and his whole thing partially relies on deception (he does have great stuff.) So when he starts seeing guys for a 2nd and 3rd time, he's going to need to rely quite a bit more on his breaking stuff, which he has not done a ton. So I'm fine basically giving hader nelson's spot until he's back. And if Nelson isn't back for a couple months, there's a good chance tht injury or ineffectiveness will make room if hader is good.

    I recall reading an article that came out the deadline that the Brinson or no deal rumor for gray was a myth. Oakland would have accepted an offer that didn't include Brinson. Tough to say what that would have been, but it's not like we for sure have to include Brinson in a deal this offseason. We may not have a ton of super high end talent outside of Brinson, but we can offer 3-4 legit top 150 or so prospects. Depending who we are getting, there's definitely value in our farm beyond Brinson. And who knows, maybe Phillips has shown enough here that we are semi comfortable giving him a shot at center if Brinson can be part of a package to bring back someone like chris archer.

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    Braun says the only team he will accept a trade to is the Dodgers. Do the Brewers just keep him or is there some kind of deal they would go for?

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    I have to imagine braun is a brewer until his contract is done. Unless the NL adds the DH, I don't see a good roster spot in LA for braun. And if the NL added the DH, you could argue it would just make sense for us to keep Braun and DH him.

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    Maybe the Angels? Upton likely gone. With Trout always in win-now mode might want to make a win-now move.

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    Maybe he'd change his mind for the angels, but I believe Braun did recently say he'd only accept a trade to the dodgers. So it's probably not worth even discussing trades elsewhere.

    The dodgers do have a hole in left if they aren't high on pederson anymore. But I just can't see them taking on his contract, since they have a fairly expensive team as is. Plus, he's still productive, so it's not like we should just give him away.

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    I think maybe, just maybe if the Dodgers loose the series they say screw it and give the Brewers an offer they can't refuse for Braun.

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    I could see the Angels getting desperate, I doubt the Dodgers would go after him at this point. I wouldn't be surprised if a team would attempt to swap a bad contract for him but I doubt we would take on anyone who will not help us.

    What would it take to get Stanton from Miami (I know we would never land him or even go after him). 5 really good pieces? That contract makes it so hard to determine a price. We could handle his contract for like 3 years and then we would probably be in the same boat Miami is in.

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    Stanton would hit 100 homers in Miller Park, that would be awesome!!!

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    Mlbtraderumors is doing a peice where they try to find trade partners for some potentially available guys. They did one on Jose abreu and mentioned the brewers as a wild card. He has two years of arb left and his projected salaries would be somewhere in the $18 mill this year and $22 next year. So basically a 2 year $40 mill contract.

    They didnít have any rumors or links to the brewers. It was more a speculation peice where they saw the brewers could afford to upgrade some at 1st, have been active in discussions to improve the team and have money to spend. So they make sense as a potential wild card, even though 1st isnít quite as big of need as some of the others on the list.

    Itís an intriguing move in my mind, but I worry about giving up too much for him. Wonder what the package would be, but itís be an interesting move to say the least.

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    I'd really like to see us trade for a starter instead of go after a free agent. Chris Archer seems like a perfect fit depending on how high his value is. Another good option would be Danny Duffy he would be a nice lefty with a reasonable contract and I would expect him to be a nice #2 in the NL Central. His price would still be high but not as big as Archers. I think with the stockpile of OF/2B/ and 2nd tier pitching we can make a deal and not harm the long term potential of the big league club. I think Hiera is the 2B of the future so that makes Diaz and Dubon expendable and then you have to pick 2 more OF out of the 5 or 6 top ones and get a controllable pitcher at the top of the rotation.

    In the short term I would be alright with a Villar/Sogard/Perez platoon if the price of 2nd base options is to high. I think one of Sogard and Villar will be a good option and I don't see paying Walker 10+ mill or giving up a good prospect in a trade for Cesar Hernandez or Dee Gordon making a lot of sense.

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    And hereís a bit of something we probably need to continue to look at, next yearís class that needs rule 5 protection. At the very least, it sounds like Diaz, Harrison, gatewood and ponce will need protection next year and Iím sure thereís more too.

    Itís the blessing and the curse of having a super deep farm. We have a bunch of guys who could potentially hit, but it makes some tough calls around rule 5 time. So not saying we have to make moves now, but thereís a roster crunch down the road, so moving a couple guys who are either currently on the 40 man, or will need to be on the 40 man for an upgrade on the big league roster is probably somewhat smart.

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    Keon Broxton/Corey Ray/Cody Ponce/Kodi Mediros for Danny Duffy. The Royals would get 2 high upside OF and a pitcher who should at least be a decent #5 or middle reliever for a good starter. I am kind of guessing KC would want 2 top 100 prospects for Duffy but I put Ponce/Mediros in that prospects spot.

    I've seen a lot of Santana trade rumors, to be honest I'm not fully against trading him. I would expect to get a controllable mlb ready top of the rotation starter for him or prospect to be flipped in a 3 way deal.

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    Sounds like the Diamondbacks are trying to sell Grienke and Pollock to clear up some cap space. We have the money. If these guys can be had without giving up much I'd definetly consider it. I know we don't need another outfielder, but Pollock is better than anyone we have. Perhaps move Santana in the deal.

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