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    I'm actually open to moving Diaz. I think huira actually has almost as much upside and Dubon is a useful player as well. Diaz probably has the most value, but he also has plenty of bust potential as well. I think Diaz has the most value, so I'm okay moving him.

    I'd be okay with a ray/Diaz/pitching prospect type of deal. I'm guessing they wouldn't be super high on bickford, but I'd be open to moving almost any of our pitching prospects to be honest. None really jump out at me as sure fire hits, but they all have some potential.

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    And it's hard to say what the A's would be looking for. The white sox were clearly okay with trading for young players who are a couple years away. If that's what the A's want, then a ray or Clark and Diaz centered deal makes sense. Maybe a guy like ponce or Peralta makes sense too.

    If they'd prefer guys closer to the bigs, a deal around Phillips, Dubon, and maybe a woodruff type might make sense too. It's always tough to tell what teams are looking for. There's more risk and reward surrounding the lower guys (maybe monte Harrison or jake gatewood would intrigue them). Not every team wants the risky deals, especially when they are trading a big time player.

    Look at our recent big name deals. In the Gomez deal, we got Santana who was big league ready. In the lucroy deal, we got Brinson who was bout a year out. But when you're trading lesser guys, you can gamble, like trading Adam Lind for 3 kids in rookie ball. I'm guessing Oakland wants at least one guy that's close to the bigs, but that's just a guess.
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    Any chance we could move Broxton in a package for Gray/Cueto/Cole? Not sure what his value is at this point, not that he'd be a key piece but he is an MLB ready player. I figure we need to move a starting outfielder (if not before the deadline than this winter) to make room for Brinson and/or Phillips and there's no chance Braun or Santana get moved. If we can open up a starting role for Brinson and bring in a solid starter at the same time we could improve both our lineup and rotation at the same time.

    If we don't move an outfielder before the deadline (Brinson, Broxton, Phillips) what do we do with them all? Brinson and Phillips are big league ready so that makes 1-2 of them expendable.
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    With braun's injury history, I'd be surprised if we move an outfielder. Brinson and Phillips are probably ready for the bigs, but neither really took the bull by the horns in their brief stints in Milwaukee. I know the stunts were very brief for both, but when we have a legit chance at the playoffs this deep into the season, I'd hate to throw that away just to give a young guy a chance. And with Braun, your one injury from having Brinson and Phillips playing a decent role, which is probably not ideal for a playoff team.

    That being said, I'd be more than fine shopping broxton at this winter. I think starting the new season fresh and giving Phillips and Brinson the chance to battle it out for center makes more sense than dealing broxton now, unless a team insists on him being part of the package for an ace, which I doubt. I guess I don't see a ton of harm in Brinson playing most of the rest of the year in Colorado Springs and then coming back in September.

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    Rosenthal tweeted that it sounds like Phillips would be involved in a trade for gray. The A's need a CF and don't really even have one near ready, so Phillips would be enticing for them. Not sure what else would be included, but it sounds like that's where the discussion starts.

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    The Braun injury doesn't frighten me. What is Broxton batting right now like .220. Can't do much worse. I give Phillips and Brinson a break for their starts because neither got consistant playing time. Like I said in the other forum, I'd like to give one of them a solid two week stint to see if they can win the job.

    If they can't, worst case we could still use one as a utility outfielder or use Thames as a corner outfielder along with Perez. We have plenty of outfield depth thanks to our versatile bench. But if Brinson can hit like they say he can that's a huge offensive weapon we could add to the lineup. Need a .270/.340/500 slash line out of center field if we want a division title. Keon at .222/.297/.438 just isn't good enough.

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    Also curious if the Mets would move a starter. Degrom would be a sexy pickup and I believe he still has 2-3 years of control.

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    The latest rumors is that the brewers are in discussion with the marlins for straily. The rumor mill has been all over the place lately. Say a tweet about an hour ago saying that the brewers weren't in any deep discussions. Trade rumors mentioned that we are in a straily. The previous rumors were that the marlins weren't shipping him.

    So I'm not sure what to think. Straily is solid and will help, but he's not super exciting to me. It will all depend on what we give up for him.

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    I wonder if we are talking about dee Gordon in a straily trade as well. Villar is looking more and more like last season was a fluke. And sogard has cooled considerably lately. And given his career numbers, it's probably unwise to count on him turning it back around. So that leaves a hole at 2nd for us.

    Gordon's deal is not great, but it's basically for 3 years beyond this season. We should have some financial flexibility for a couple years where it won't be a crippling contract. Gordon hasn't been the same player since returning from suspension, but over the next 2 years, I have to imagine he's going to be better than villar.

    And our only real 2nd base completion in the minors are Dubon, Diaz and huira. Dubon will be ready sooner, but Diaz and huira are both potentially 2 years or more away anyhow, so Gordon is really only blocking those guys for maybe a year, outside of Dubon.

    If we are willing to eat most of that deal, I'm guessing it actually lessens the prospect requirement for straily. So it might be a creative way to get a deal done that helps us at two positions and maybe saves us some prospects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    I wonder if we are talking about dee Gordon in a straily trade as well. Villar is looking more and more like last season was a fluke. And sogard has cooled considerably lately. And given his career numbers, it's probably unwise to count on him turning it back around. So that leaves a hole at 2nd for us.

    Gordon's deal is not great, but it's basically for 3 years beyond this season. We should have some financial flexibility for a couple years where it won't be a crippling contract. Gordon hasn't been the same player since returning from suspension, but over the next 2 years, I have to imagine he's going to be better than villar.

    And our only real 2nd base completion in the minors are Dubon, Diaz and huira. Dubon will be ready sooner, but Diaz and huira are both potentially 2 years or more away anyhow, so Gordon is really only blocking those guys for maybe a year, outside of Dubon.

    If we are willing to eat most of that deal, I'm guessing it actually lessens the prospect requirement for straily. So it might be a creative way to get a deal done that helps us at two positions and maybe saves us some prospects.
    Its hard to say. I haven't seen Dee in any discussions up to this point but we need to do something. Villar is pitiful at this point. Yesterday Davies was having better at bats than Villar was. It depends on what the Brewers are being asked to give up. We have outfielders to lose, but I don't want to give up too much on a team that I don't think gets any closer the rest of the way.

    If we do trade for Dee what do we do with Villar? What would we do with him anyways? I know he's out of options, but you have to do something. We are getting 0 production from second base. I'd suggest starting Perez and making Villar a designated pinch runner to clear his head. Based on his numbers last year I just don't think we can DFA him. But his time is running low.

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    If we get an upgrade at 2nd who's around for at least next year, I'm okay DFA villar. Villar has been mediocre at best his whole career besides last season. After seeing him this year, are you willing to bet on him returning to that form? I'm not really willing to bet that. He is still young, but it's looking more and more like last season was a fluke.

    In all reality, I'm guessing we don't upgrade 2nd this year. It makes sense to give Perez a little more time at 2nd, but it probably also makes some sense to maybe try to let villar work through his struggles if we don't upgrade. He has talent, but if he doesn't get it together this year, I think you have to consider DFA him.

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    Its last season still staying out there is why its hard to DFA Villar. You can see the potential. My big issue with him isn't even the offensive numbers this year, he just plays so dumb at times. He never makes the smart play. Always pushes the issue on the bases, okay fine to distract the pitcher but your speed is useless when you get picked off or caught stealing way too often. The strikeouts are another big issue. When you're a speed guy you need to make contact, sometimes you get a few lucky hits that boost your BA.

    The team in general, with runners in scoring position we need to limit the strikeouts. Hard to get hits with RISP when you don't even make contact. I think we're at 6 straight games without a hit with a RISP. Sad.

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    Sounds like we acquired Neil walker from the mets. I haven't heard any details yet, but walker had a pretty big contract and he's expiring after the year. He's also been banged up but sounds healthy now. I'd imagine if we are taking on the rest of this deal, we didn't give up much. If the mets are eating some salary, then maybe we gave up someone we might have heard of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    Sounds like we acquired Neil walker from the mets. I haven't heard any details yet, but walker had a pretty big contract and he's expiring after the year. He's also been banged up but sounds healthy now. I'd imagine if we are taking on the rest of this deal, we didn't give up much. If the mets are eating some salary, then maybe we gave up someone we might have heard of.
    I heard the Mets were eating some salary, no idea how much though. I have not heard anything about who we may have sent. Regardless, I doubt we would have given up very much to get a rental player with mediocre numbers and injury concerns. I doubt we gave up a top 20 player.

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    Any chance a guy like Dee Gordon would be available? I would do Villar and a good prospect like Isan Diaz for Dee. He would be a great leadoff guy who doesn't strike out much.

    I wouldn't mind a top notch starter but I don't want to give up Brinson and 2 other good prospects to make that happen. I would move Hader to the rotation and go Anderson, Davies, Woodruff, Hader, and Suter (Nelson when he comes back.

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