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    PSDs NFL Mock Offseason Playoffs: SUPER BOWL - Packers @ Falcons

    This is not real life. This is not real life. This is not real life.
    This is a game that other members of PSD have been playing for the past month taking teams simulating a full offseason.
    Please vote on which team team would beat the other team in a one game playoff.


    Green Bay Packers:

    Depth Chart:

    Base-11 Offense:

    QB: Aaron Rodgers | Ryan Fitzpatrick | DeShone Kizer
    RB: Le'Veon Bell | Fozzy Whitaker | De'Anthony Thomas | Curtis Samuel
    WR: Odell Beckham Jr. | Brian Quick
    WR: Michael Floyd | Brian Quick
    Slot: Anquan Boldin | Jarius Wright
    TE: Charles Clay | Will Tye | Matthew Mulligan
    LT: Duane Brown | Cameron Fleming
    LG: J.R. Sweezy | Brandon Fusco
    C: Corey Linsley | Isaac Asiata
    RG: Trai Turner | Brandon Fusco
    RT: Rob Havenstein | Cameron Fleming
    FB: Dimitri Flowers

    Base 4-3 Defense:

    DE: Julius Peppers | Mike Neal | Armonty Bryant | Carl Lawson
    NT: Sylvester Williams | Tony McDaniel
    DT: Aaron Donald | Damion Square
    DE: Kerry Hyder | Mike Neal | Armonty Bryant | Carl Lawson
    WILL: Sean Lee | Josh Bynes | Ben Boulware
    MIKE: Brian Cushing | Paul Worrilow | Ben Boulware
    SAM: Karlos Dansby |Josh Bynes | Ben Boulware
    CB: Aqib Talib | Tramon Williams
    FS: Quintin Demps | Nate Allen | Steven Terrell
    SS: T.J. McDonald | Steven Terrell | Nate Ebner
    CB: DeShawn Shead | Tramon Williams
    NCB: Leon Hall | Nolan Carroll

    Special Teams:

    K: Ryan Succop
    P: Brett Kern
    KR: De'Anthony Thomas
    PR: De'Anthony Thomas
    LS: Scott Daly
    Gunner: Nate Ebner



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    Atlanta Falcons

    Depth Chart
    Bold Denotes Base Package Starter

    QB: Matt Ryan / Colt McCoy / Josh Dobbs
    RB: Devonta Freeman / Bilal Powell / Alvin Kamara
    WR: Demaryius Thomas / Justin Hardy
    WR: Donte Moncrief / Devin Fuller
    Slot: Taylor Gabriel / Josh Dobbs
    TE: Gary Barnidge / Austin Hooper / Nate Sudfeld
    LT: Trent Williams / Roderick Johnson
    LG: Andy Levitre / Ethan Pocic
    C: Alex Mack / Ben Garland
    RG: Jon Greco / Cody Wichmann
    RT: Ryan Schraeder / Vinston Painter

    LDE: Charles Johnson / Hau'oli Kikaha
    DT: Grady Jarrett / Jonathan Babineaux / Ben Garland
    NT: Alan Branch / Ra'Shede Hageman
    RDE: Carlos Dunlap / Derrick Barnett
    SLB: Von Miller / Charles Harris
    MLB: Derrick Johnson / Anthony Walker
    WLB: Deion Jones / Jaylen Reeves Maybin
    JACK: Shaq Barret
    CB: Desmond Trufant / Jalen Tabor
    CB: Jalen Collins / Cam Sutton
    Nickle: Byron Jones / Will Blackmon
    SS: Ricardo Allen / Marcus Williams
    FS: Jarius Byrd / Bubba Baker

    K: Stephen Gostkowski
    P: Johnny Hekker
    LS: Cole Mazza
    PR: Cam Sutton
    KR: Cam Sutton



    Code:
    PLAYER	BASE SALARY	SIGNING BONUS	ROSTER BONUS	CAP FIGURE
    Matt Ryan	$15,750,000	$5,600,000	$2,400,000	$23,750,000
    Von Miller	$0	$15,000,000	$0	$15,000,000
    Demaryius Thomas	$8,500,000	$0	$1,333,333	$9,833,333
    Alex Mack	$6,750,000	$2,300,000	$0	$9,050,000
    Desmond Trufant	$8,026,000	$0	$0	$8,026,000
    Ryan Schraeder	$1,000,000	$100,000	$6,000,000	$7,100,000
    Jon Greco	$975,000			$975,000
    Andy Levitre	$5,250,000	$0	$1,375,000	$6,625,000
    Gary Barnidge	$2,750,000			$2,750,000
    Carlos Dunlap	$5,350,000	$0	$300,000	$5,650,000
    Charles Johnson	$0	$5,500,000	$0	$5,500,000
    Donte Moncrief	$705,000			$705,000
    Derrick Johnson	$4,750,000	0	0	$4,750,000
    Alan Branch	$4,500,000	$0	$0	$4,500,000
    Taylor Gabriel	$3,500,000	$0	$0	$3,500,000
    Matt Bryant	$1,200,000	$333,334	$1,300,000	$2,833,334
    Trent Williams	$1,253,131	$1,253,131	$0	$2,506,262
    Shaq Barrett	$2,000,000	$0	$0	$2,000,000
    Ra'Shede Hageman	$1,147,615	$550,153	$0	$1,697,768
    Jalen Collins	$928,439	$551,879	$0	$1,480,318
    Byron Jones	$1,216,995	$0	$0	$1,216,995
    Deion Jones	$656,620	$376,479	$0	$1,033,099
    Josh Harris	$780,000	$100,000	$0	$880,000
    Jairus Byrd	$437,151	$437,151		$874,301
    Devonta Freeman	$690,000	$121,106	$0	$811,106
    Austin Hooper	$540,000	$193,357	$35,000	$768,357
    Justin Hardy	$615,000	$135,205	$0	$750,205
    Grady Jarrett	$615,000	$61,963	$0	$676,963
    Ben Garland	$630,000	$0	$0	$630,000
    Ricardo Allen	$630,000	$0	$0	$630,000
    Jonathan Babineaux	$570,000	$0	$0	$570,000
    Devin Fuller	$465,000	$18,446	$0	$483,446
    Cam Sutton	$465,000	$0	$0	$465,000
    Jaylen Reeves Maybin	$465,000	$0	$0	$465,000
    Derrick Barnett	$465,000		$0	$465,000
    Johnny Hekker	$465,000			$465,000
    Alvin Kamara	$465,000			$465,000
    Bilal Powell	$465,000			$465,000
    Josh Dobbs	$465,000			$465,000
    Jalen Tabor	$465,000			$465,000
    Marcus Williams	$465,000			$465,000
    Bubba Baker	$465,000			$465,000
    Ethan Pocic	$465,000			$465,000
    Roderick Johnson 	$465,000			$465,000
    Charles Harris 	$465,000			$465,000
    Anthony Walker 	$465,000			$465,000
    Hau'oli Kikaha 	$465,000			$465,000
    Vinston Painter 	$465,000			$465,000
    Cody Wichmann 	$465,000			$465,000
    Nate Sudfeld 	$465,000			$465,000
    Colt McCoy 	$465,000			$465,000
    Cole Mazza 	$465,000			$465,000



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    Falcons and it's not really close

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    I'm gonna be honest here.

    I fought so hard to win the Titans matchup because I really believe my team is better. I would've done the same against any other team.

    I can't do that in this matchup. Super has the best team. It's been obvious pretty much since the start, and every move I've made has been about keeping up with him. I really believe that I'm the only team that came remotely close, but again, and to say this as unequivocally as possible, the Falcons are the best team, you should vote for them, I'm just glad to have come in second.

    I don't want to spend the next five days fighting a losing battle. As much fun as it is, I've already dedicated too much time to this game. And as much as I would've liked to have won this game, I want to have the best team in doing so. I had no business winning this year anyway. I barely watched any football, relied solely on PFF and name value (as most people do, but at least I'm admitting it), and made a bunch of mistakes I'd take back if I could do it all over again. I really don't think Super made a single mistake throughout the game. Every time a move of his happened I looked at it and thought "****, he just got better." I really did base my moves off of his team, it was that good. When he had Alshon and Demaryius, I felt like I needed to have two superstar WRs (hence, the Odell trade, even though I believe it happened after he broke them up, that's how it started), and I only felt comfortable having one after he traded Jeffery and I thought I needed defense to keep up. He invested a **** ton in the offensive line, the most worthless thing in this game, and still has a better team everywhere else than the rest of us. No one was beating the Falcons.

    So if you all still want to vote for me, go ahead, but I'm openly saying my team is worse. This just feels like the easiest solution.
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    Falcons dominate the first 3 quarters, then choke away a 60 point lead. Matt Ryan ***** his pants again, then smiles at his post game presser as the media asks him dumb questions.

    In all seriousness, the Miller/CJ/Dunlap pass rush combination is enough to win this matchup, and the fact that the Falcons managed to upgrade the LT on an already solid OL is impressive. Much like the first GB matchup, I still say that if Rodgers is being harassed by a nasty pass rush he's not going to do much. I like a lot of the Falcons moves, but I feel like the fact that they're fresh off a SB appearance makes it easier to overhype their players, but adding Miller, Williams, and adding a healthy Trufant certainly makes it an easy vote.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnsanity View Post
    I'm gonna be honest here.

    I fought so hard to win the Titans matchup because I really believe my team is better. I would've done the same against any other team.

    I can't do that in this matchup. Super has the best team. It's been obvious pretty much since the start, and every move I've made has been about keeping up with him. I really believe that I'm the only team that came remotely close, but again, and to say this as unequivocally as possible, the Falcons are the best team, you should vote for them, I'm just glad to have come in second.

    I don't want to spend the next five days fighting a losing battle. As much fun as it is, I've already dedicated too much time to this game. And as much as I would've liked to have won this game, I want to have the best team in doing so. I had no business winning this year anyway. I barely watched any football, relied solely on PFF and name value (as most people do, but at least I'm admitting it), and made a bunch of mistakes I'd take back if I could do it all over again. I really don't think Super made a single mistake throughout the game. Every time a move of his happened I looked at it and thought "****, he just got better." I really did base my moves off of his team, it was that good. When he had Alshon and Demaryius, I felt like I needed to have two superstar WRs (hence, the Odell trade, even though I believe it happened after he broke them up, that's how it started), and I only felt comfortable having one after he traded Jeffery and I thought I needed defense to keep up. He invested a **** ton in the offensive line, the most worthless thing in this game, and still has a better team everywhere else than the rest of us. No one was beating the Falcons.

    So if you all still want to vote for me, go ahead, but I'm openly saying my team is worse. This just feels like the easiest solution.
    I liked your team with Jordy and OBJ way better TBH.

    And just because I know how much you hate Powell

    https://twitter.com/PFF/status/848645219935563776

    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Falcons dominate the first 3 quarters, then choke away a 60 point lead. Matt Ryan ***** his pants again, then smiles at his post game presser as the media asks him dumb questions.

    In all seriousness, the Miller/CJ/Dunlap pass rush combination is enough to win this matchup, and the fact that the Falcons managed to upgrade the LT on an already solid OL is impressive. Much like the first GB matchup, I still say that if Rodgers is being harassed by a nasty pass rush he's not going to do much. I like a lot of the Falcons moves, but I feel like the fact that they're fresh off a SB appearance makes it easier to overhype their players, but adding Miller, Williams, and adding a healthy Trufant certainly makes it an easy vote.
    But this time I have a better pass rush, and my secondary is dank
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    Falcons are just too good

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    Falcons roll bigly. Packers aren't a top 5 team in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbearchef View Post
    Falcons dominate the first 3 quarters, then choke away a 60 point lead. Matt Ryan ***** his pants again, then smiles at his post game presser as the media asks him dumb questions.

    In all seriousness, the Miller/CJ/Dunlap pass rush combination is enough to win this matchup, and the fact that the Falcons managed to upgrade the LT on an already solid OL is impressive. Much like the first GB matchup, I still say that if Rodgers is being harassed by a nasty pass rush he's not going to do much. I like a lot of the Falcons moves, but I feel like the fact that they're fresh off a SB appearance makes it easier to overhype their players, but adding Miller, Williams, and adding a healthy Trufant certainly makes it an easy vote.
    Totally agree. This team is not really that good, but that is the nature of the beast when a team is coming off of a big SB run (and choke).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super. View Post
    I liked your team with Jordy and OBJ way better TBH.

    And just because I know how much you hate Powell

    https://twitter.com/PFF/status/848645219935563776
    Von/Dunlap/Johnson isn't better than Houston/Short/McCoy imo, but your secondary is better and so is your offense.

    I maintain Powell was a blip and he'll regress next year.

    I don't think trading Jordy was necessarily the issue so much as what I got for him was. I made the same mistake I make every year. I got really fixated on getting a rape deal, it didn't happen, but by then I was so set on trading him I took less than market value. If I would've gotten an equivalent pass rusher instead of Sean Lee, idk, Chandler Jones or Cameron Wake or something, then this matchup is more interesting. At least if I'd kept Jordy our teams wouldn't be so similarly constructed, but yours turned out to be a better version of the same basic build as mine. There just wasn't really much use for Sean Lee in this matchup. Or any matchup TBH. Having a top end non-pass rushing linebacker is sort of like a fancier version of having a top end non-LT OL. Really doesn't help you much in this game except for maybe Kuechly and Wagner.

    But if I were to rank my mistakes? I'd do the Jordy trade over again for sure. If I would've known what my cap situation was going to be longer term I wouldn't have wasted, what, $20+ million on three mediocre secondary guys (Shead, McDonald, Demps). I would've just splurged on Trumaine Johnson for whatever that would've cost and then gone bargain basement at safety. I'd probably have done the same at WR and just signed Willie Snead instead of Anquan+Floyd. And I probably hold on to that first round pick I gave up for Duane Brown and just sign like Reilly Reiff or something, then just not crusaded so hard for OL all game.

    All lessons for next time, I suppose. I maintain faith in my pass rush, at least to an extent. My whole argument about Hyder was going to basically be "why do you get credit for your one-year wonder guys in Jones and Collins but I don't with Hyder," but obviously your defense is much deeper than mine which makes a big difference. But I do think Aaron Donald makes a bigger difference than anyone is saying. The biggest lesson I've taken away from playing this game for three years, besides the obvious OL and WR stuff, is that there's really zero value in having a Watt/Von/Donald level defensive player. People just look at them and say "ok he has a really good player there," as if peak JJ Watt is no different than like Jurrell Casey. On offense you want to have the top guys. On defense? Makes no difference. But in this matchup it would've been irrelevant anyway, as Von and Donald are probably about even, maybe Von has a slight edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    Totally agree. This team is not really that good, but that is the nature of the beast when a team is coming off of a big SB run (and choke).
    What is your problem with the Falcons? Like seriously, in what area are they not good enough for you? I'll ignore what you say about my team for obvious biases, but I'm sorry, there really should not be any opinion about the best team in this game that isn't "it's the Falcons fairly easily." What do you seriously dislike about that team? It's good everywhere and great in several places. If his team played yours Von and Dunlap would eat Eli alive, AP wouldn't do much, Trufant and Byron would take Hopkins and Fitz and Collins would get safety help on Jeffery, and his OL is so good it would protect Ryan enough to put a decent amount of points on the board especially against your mediocre secondary. It would be a comfortable win for Atlanta, something like 31-14. They're the best team, and the game is over. You don't have to **** on them in preparation for a potential matchup anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    Falcons roll bigly. Packers aren't a top 5 team in this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnsanity View Post
    What is your problem with the Falcons? Like seriously, in what area are they not good enough for you? I'll ignore what you say about my team for obvious biases, but I'm sorry, there really should not be any opinion about the best team in this game that isn't "it's the Falcons fairly easily." What do you seriously dislike about that team? It's good everywhere and great in several places. If his team played yours Von and Dunlap would eat Eli alive, AP wouldn't do much, Trufant and Byron would take Hopkins and Fitz and Collins would get safety help on Jeffery, and his OL is so good it would protect Ryan enough to put a decent amount of points on the board especially against your mediocre secondary. It would be a comfortable win for Atlanta, something like 31-14. They're the best team, and the game is over. You don't have to **** on them in preparation for a potential matchup anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by homestarunner93 View Post
    Falcons roll bigly. Packers aren't a top 5 team in this.
    You're out of your mind if you don't think the Packers are a top 5 team in this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnsanity View Post
    What is your problem with the Falcons? Like seriously, in what area are they not good enough for you? I'll ignore what you say about my team for obvious biases, but I'm sorry, there really should not be any opinion about the best team in this game that isn't "it's the Falcons fairly easily." What do you seriously dislike about that team? It's good everywhere and great in several places. If his team played yours Von and Dunlap would eat Eli alive, AP wouldn't do much, Trufant and Byron would take Hopkins and Fitz and Collins would get safety help on Jeffery, and his OL is so good it would protect Ryan enough to put a decent amount of points on the board especially against your mediocre secondary. It would be a comfortable win for Atlanta, something like 31-14. They're the best team, and the game is over. You don't have to **** on them in preparation for a potential matchup anymore.
    I think he drastically downgraded his passing game, for one. Thomas is a huge downgrade on Julio, regardless of how many statzzz can be recited. He has bad hands, doesn't play big, and is a lazy route runner. I think he's one of the more overrated WRs in the league, and kind of shows how most people don't look past counting stats.

    I don't think Moncrief is very good at all. He has been massively disappointing. I think he's worse than Sanu. Gabriel is whatever, good 2/3 of a season but small sample size and former scrub. And Barnidge is a total JAG.

    I don't love what they have at DE either. Dunlap is a good end and a good pass rusher, but they should have put someone who can really get off the edge opposite of him. Instead, they end up with Charles Johnson and no depth. Johnson is just a rotational guy at this point. Maybe Shaq Barrett can help some on third downs.

    Jairus Byrd is also horrible, and will be playing FS in their nickel D. I also do not really think Jalen Collins is that good. He pulled it together and played well down the stretch, but he has been either bad or not playing for a lot of the time the last two years.

    I think it was one of the better teams in the game, maybe the best, but I do not think they had the best team running away TBH.

    Unlike you, I say what I think, not what I think will get me more votes in an online team-building game.

    Quote Originally Posted by mamba42 View Post
    You're out of your mind if you don't think the Packers are a top 5 team in this.
    No, I'm not. I can just look beyond the fact that they have a trio of Aaron Rodgers, Le'Veon Bell, and Odell Beckham. Apparently you can't. It is a great foundation, but the pieces around it stink.

    They have one legitimately good WR on the whole team. How did that work out for the Giants this year? Clay was a good addition at TE, but he's not enough to take the heat off of Beckham,
    who we know will mentally collapse when he gets frustrated.

    The depth behind Bell at RB is putrid. Whittaker is the definition of a JAG, and Thomas/Samuel are both guys that are probably more WRs than RBs. I guess Quinn was going for the LOOK WHAT TY MONTGOMERY DID thing, but Montgomery is probably 20 pounds heavier than both of those guys.

    This defense is laughably bad. The pass rush is seriously horrible. Peppers and Hyder had big sack numbers, but they weren't backed up by consistent pressures. Just a couple of guys who lucked into high sack numbers that are middling pass rushers. Peppers really belongs in a rotation these days, and the depth at DE is bad. On top of that, Sylvester Williams is a truly terrible player that shouldn't not be starting on any team, let alone a "good" one.

    The LB trio is full of big names, and would have been sick like three years ago. Cushing and Lee get hurt seriously every year. Cushing is just average now anyways. Dansby racked up a bunch of tackles, but is pretty close to a replacement-level starter in his old age.

    I like most of the secondary, but they have an enormous hole at CB. Shead is obviously not very likely to be healthy, as Seattle didn't even tender him as a RFA. He was hardly a #2 CB anyways when he was playing. On top of that, the only thing behind him is Tramon Williams, who hasn't been good for like 3 years.

    On top of that, people have totally forgotten how horrible Rodgers looked at the beginning of this season before the Packers hit a hot streak. I'm just saying, guy is a top QB in the league, but I don't think he's the savior of what would undoubtedly be a mediocre supporting cast here.

    The Packers have a nice-looking trio on offense and a defense full of old guys with big names that would have been insane like four years ago. I see through it. You and many others don't, I guess.

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    It's like you think that Von wouldn't be rushing over Johnson on obvious passing downs with Shaq coming in and doing exactly what did he in Denver this year, be the passing down LB.



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