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    Quote Originally Posted by wiley6 View Post
    His velocity was creeping up to be more consistently in the 93-94 range. However, he was still getting his pitches hit pretty hard. Lagares saved him from giving up another XBH with a great catch.

    Again though, the bigger issue for me that I keep seeing is the offense seemingly being incapable of stringing together hits, advancing runners, putting the ball in play and/or not K'ing so GD much. Still seems like if they do not hit it out of the park they cannot score. Meanwhile every other team figures out ways to beat them other than HRs.
    Two more starts for Harvey to show tangible enough progress to justify a place in the rotation. Agree, we need our offense to be better than last year with RISP, etc., but today's lineup was far from the opening day lineup.

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    Looks like Harvey hit 95-96 in the 3rd


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Futurist View Post
    Two more starts for Harvey to show tangible enough progress to justify a place in the rotation. Agree, we need our offense to be better than last year with RISP, etc., but today's lineup was far from the opening day lineup.
    I understand that today's lineup is not what the starting lineup will be, but it is still a reflection of some of the poor hitting instruction that might be happening in the org. The Tigers didn't have their starting lineup in there today either and they still managed 12 hits.

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    Harvey was guilty of the Sin of Pride and became mortal as punishment.
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    Final line for Harvey: 4.1 IP, 7 H, 3 ER, 4 K. Overall, I'd say this was slight progress even though results didn't show.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugmet View Post
    Harvey was guilty of the Sin of Pride and became mortal as punishment.
    Or its more likely that injury derailed his career. The good thing is he's still young enough to change that potential narrative.

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    Slightly encouraging game today, hopefully he continues to progress. This may be an overall positive experience for Harvey in his career. He's always been this cocky guy who can rely on his heater, and acted like gods gift to pitching; maybe this whole experience will be humbling to him.

    As for the overall injury/innings concerns I would like to see the team take a more old school approach and piggy back harvey and wheeler's starts. It shortens the bullpen by 1 guy, but guarantees a day off for all the bullpen once every 5 days. It also guarantees that Harvey and Wheeler's innings will be limited while keeping them in the rotation throughout the season. I wouldn't be against them trying this with Matz either if it was necessary.

    Also can you imagine if Harvey and Wheeler get back to there ace selfs, I wouldn't want to be the team that has to face both of them in one game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiley6 View Post
    I understand that today's lineup is not what the starting lineup will be, but it is still a reflection of some of the poor hitting instruction that might be happening in the org. The Tigers didn't have their starting lineup in there today either and they still managed 12 hits.
    Seems like a reach to use this game as a support point for a theory about an organization-wide hitting instruction condemnation. Besides the ML roster's woes with RISP last year (only a handful of whom came up through our organization), what other evidence is there? Was our RISP or high K incidence, way below average or prevalent at every level?

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    Quote Originally Posted by championmets View Post
    Slightly encouraging game today, hopefully he continues to progress. This may be an overall positive experience for Harvey in his career. He's always been this cocky guy who can rely on his heater, and acted like gods gift to pitching; maybe this whole experience will be humbling to him.

    As for the overall injury/innings concerns I would like to see the team take a more old school approach and piggy back harvey and wheeler's starts. It shortens the bullpen by 1 guy, but guarantees a day off for all the bullpen once every 5 days. It also guarantees that Harvey and Wheeler's innings will be limited while keeping them in the rotation throughout the season. I wouldn't be against them trying this with Matz either if it was necessary.

    Also can you imagine if Harvey and Wheeler get back to there ace selfs, I wouldn't want to be the team that has to face both of them in one game.
    Interesting idea. I'd rather see both start the year in extended ST for their own good and let Gsellman, Lugo and Montero hold down the fort until they prove they are consistently capable of playing at a high level for a team with post-season expectations.

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    I don't really care about Harvey's ERA in spring, honestly.

    It's good to see some 95s and 96s, and his K:BB ratio has been pretty excellent.

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    The fact that his velocity is picking up now is very encouraging. That's typical in the Spring. If his arm was shot after TOS and surgery I wouldn't expect that.

    Don't worry. He's got this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    I don't really care about Harvey's ERA in spring, honestly.

    It's good to see some 95s and 96s, and his K:BB ratio has been pretty excellent.
    Haven't you heard? It's really important, so you should care.


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    The signs are encouraging but it would also be nice if he could just have one very solid outing to make us feel like he can put hitters away.

    I feel like every time he's on the mound now, you are guaranteed to give up 3+ runs

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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Or its more likely that injury derailed his career. The good thing is he's still young enough to change that potential narrative.
    At least he seems humble now. Failure may benefit him personally and professionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    I don't really care about Harvey's ERA in spring, honestly.

    It's good to see some 95s and 96s, and his K:BB ratio has been pretty excellent.
    The velocity was definitely nice to see. Even with the K:BB ratio being good, I'm still concerned with Harveys inability to miss bats. A lot of K's looking, plus he's given up 18 H in 12 IP.
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