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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    They have one more loss then UNC. They beat them 2 out of 3 times, half there loses are when coach k was out, and they finished on a high. They have good argument for a 1 and definately shouldn't be lined up with the top 1 seed even if you make them a 2.


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    I can see the strength of schedule argument for the ACC teams like NC and Duke challenging for a 1 seed, but Arizona and to UCLA have legit cases. Zona's only out of conference loss was to Gonzaga and Butler. LIke Duke they are a different and stronger team now then they were earlier in the season with the Freshmen playing stronger more cohesiveness and the return of Trier. UCLA's didn't lose an out of conference game and they beat Kentucky in Lexington. Oregon lost 2 out of conference games because their best Players Dillon Brooks was out against Baylor (who is a tough opponent) and he played sparring in his first game back against Georgetown. Those loses by Arizona and Oregon with weaker rosters ****ed up the strength of schedule math (RPI and BPI) of the conference's strength.

    The question is on a neutral floor who would be favoured out of the mix of NC, AZ, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke for that number 1 spot? There's a chance UNC might not be favored in any of those games.

    I can't really complain about the seeding too much as **** is close and the math is complicated. I'm just making a case for the Pac-12 teams and Kentucky to a smaller extent. The tournament will shed light on which conference and teams were more derserving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    I can see the strength of schedule argument for the ACC teams like NC and Duke challenging for a 1 seed, but Arizona and to UCLA have legit cases. Zona's only out of conference loss was to Gonzaga and Butler. LIke Duke they are a different and stronger team now then they were earlier in the season with the Freshmen playing stronger more cohesiveness and the return of Trier. UCLA's didn't lose an out of conference game and they beat Kentucky in Lexington. Oregon lost 2 out of conference games because their best Players Dillon Brooks was out against Baylor (who is a tough opponent) and he played sparring in his first game back against Georgetown. Those loses by Arizona and Oregon with weaker rosters ****ed up the strength of schedule math (RPI and BPI) of the conference's strength.

    The question is on a neutral floor who would be favoured out of the mix of NC, AZ, UCLA, Kentucky, Duke for that number 1 spot? There's a chance UNC might not be favored in any of those games.

    I can't really complain about the seeding too much as **** is close and the math is complicated. I'm just making a case for the Pac-12 teams and Kentucky to a smaller extent. The tournament will shed light on which conference and teams were more derserving.
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    ^ True. I've seen UCLA a few times and it's laughable. Ball might be an NBA star because it's a goofy league but in college he's mediocre. And no matter how many times senile Bill Walton tells me he's amazing will I believe it because I haven't seen it yet. If the Lakers or whoever takes Ball over Tatum they deserve to keep losing.

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    Gators held the Wahoos to 17 points on 29% FG in the 1st half. That's a recipe for a win, but unfortunately our offense couldn't get much going until late and so the game is still well within reach. If you like defense this is your game. Unfortunately neither team presses very often but Florida will show it on occasion - though unlikely against the UVA since it's mostly done to get teams deeper into the shot clock and they do that by design on offense.

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    UNC and Duke are the only ACC teams left. 7-8 teams down (if you include wake).

    The strength of schedule argument for UNC getting the one seed has pretty much dwindled. We'll see what happens the rest of the way. Let's see how it plays out with the Pac-12 teams after today and how the bracket looks like going into the sweet 16.

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    Great job SC. They hit shots and they hit free throws. They bullied duke. Duke totally stopped going to the basket in the second half. In the first they got hit some, they got some offensive fouls when they were pushing back but got them in the penalty super early and got some better looks, attacking did lead to TOs but you cant stop attacking. In the 2nd they didn't get calls but you don't when you let yourself get bullied.
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    It was destined to end this way. Shocked to see how many people thought it was "Duke's title to lose." when they have been completely erratic the majority of the year. Did folks really think they would sleepwalk to the final four??

    The theme with the team....you can't trust them. You really couldn't. Very stoked they were able to get a ACC tourney champ out of it...but knew some team with uber athletic guards would give them fits. And it did. Was hoping Giles would "come alive" of sorts...never did.

    On paper, a waste of what should of been a super team. It just doesn't work out sometimes. Welp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BRAVE KID View Post
    It was destined to end this way. Shocked to see how many people thought it was "Duke's title to lose." when they have been completely erratic the majority of the year. Did folks really think they would sleepwalk to the final four??

    The theme with the team....you can't trust them. You really couldn't. Very stoked they were able to get a ACC tourney champ out of it...but knew some team with uber athletic guards would give them fits. And it did. Was hoping Giles would "come alive" of sorts...never did.

    On paper, a waste of what should of been a super team. It just doesn't work out sometimes. Welp.
    I don't think it was destined. I also don't think any rational person had Duke "sleep walking" to the final four.
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    Man how bad was the acc this tournament? I gotta say I love seeing duke lose. Preseason number 1... most all americans and favored to win once the brackets came out and they cant get out of the 2nd round
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    Quote Originally Posted by sjbirds View Post
    Man how bad was the acc this tournament? I gotta say I love seeing duke lose. Preseason number 1... most all americans and favored to win once the brackets came out and they cant get out of the 2nd round
    They didn't play well, thats for sure. But I think the most complete team with the best chance to win it all is still alive

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    I think the ACC's rep accumulating from consistently being one of the best conferences played a role in many over-rating them this year. They also had one of the better records as a conference in out of conference play so that had the math giving them some good scores. I don't blame the experts picking a lot of those teams or having some of the teams over-ranked because you can only work with the math and the records that were available. I just personally thought the Pac-12 didn't get a proper look and even Kentucky to an extent.

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    Crummy way to end the season no doubts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    I think the ACC's rep accumulating from consistently being one of the best conferences played a role in many over-rating them this year. They also had one of the better records as a conference in out of conference play so that had the math giving them some good scores. I don't blame the experts picking a lot of those teams or having some of the teams over-ranked because you can only work with the math and the records that were available. I just personally thought the Pac-12 didn't get a proper look and even Kentucky to an extent.
    I agree they may have been overrated but their depth and OOC records speak for themselves. The ACC also probably gets overrated because they consistently have the best offenses in college basketball (in addition to journalist bias). I don't think the ACC had a bad year but they definitely had a rough weekend. Let's look at the 5 best teams though:

    UNC: should have lost to Arkansas tbh. 2 very generous (and bordering on crooked) calls against Arkansas in the last few minutes cost them the upset. First on the refs blowing the possession call, reviewing it on video, and then mysteriously upholding the original blown call even though it was obvious from replay that it was wrong - even the announcers admitted it but didn't make much o it. Then Berry charged down the court on the next possession, trucked over a planted defender (no offensive foul called), traveled, and chucked a prayer that missed badly but was put back in off the offensive glass by Meeks. Let's just say they were very lucky.

    Louisville and Notre Dame: both lost to gimmick schools. I had both in my Final Four because I thought they were veteran-laden enough not to lose to those types of teams you face every year in the tourny. But I give credit to West Virginia and Michigan, they controlled the type of the game that was played and dispatched the better teams in both cases (and yes, Louisville and ND were both better than their opponents).

    Duke: they got Sendarius Thornwell'd. Happened to a lot of teams this year. Plus Frank Martin is a great coach who has his team bought in on defense. They play tough every single time and are never an easy out even if their offense is putrid. Oftentimes that's enough, and Duke just didn't have enough defense. I was worried the lack of defense would cost them and it did - they gave up over 80 points to probably the worst offensive team in the field. Credit to Thornwell though - he is a great player and the Malcolm Brogden do-it-all college star this year. He won't win the Player of the Year but he deserves it as much as Colson, Kennard, Jackson, or anyone else.

    FSU: always overrated because they just throw tons of athletes at you. Bacon is a good slasher but after that you've got a raw Isaacs, a couple a huge bruisers that aren't that threatening, and a pretty solid but not great scoring PG. Add that to an inconsistent D and a blowout is what you get.

    Tough year but I'm proud of the SEC for making such a good showing - especially when people who don't know better called it a down year for the conference (wrong). It was insulting that the idiots they had calling the Florida/UVA game couldn't even name Florida's players properly and stated total falsehoods with regard to players' skillsets. Someone needs to improve their media guides because Florida was one of the best teams end to end this year - they just got buried in the media by blue bloods.

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    I thought coach K should've started Grayson Allen for the SC game. SC had that toughness that Duke didn't have on the floor to start the game. I thought coach K should've started Allen for the entire tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Missing56&33 View Post
    I thought coach K should've started Grayson Allen for the SC game. SC had that toughness that Duke didn't have on the floor to start the game. I thought coach K should've started Allen for the entire tournament.
    I disagree. They had been great with him coming off the bench. I was hoping he could have a run bc I don't think he is an NBA player but it wasn't meant to be


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