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    Need to address the kick return game that's for sure. I'm not saying in the draft, but if Cyrus can't get it together we need somebody back there who can. It was to the point last year that I was on the edge of my seat on every kick off or punt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fla.SticKy View Post
    Need to address the kick return game that's for sure. I'm not saying in the draft, but if Cyrus can't get it together we need somebody back there who can. It was to the point last year that I was on the edge of my seat on every kick off or punt.
    Amendola? I agree we need a returner but it's tough to find a spot for one on our gameday active roster. I wonder if Lewis is on the chopping block for one.

    Last year we had Blount as the bruiser, White as the passing back and Lewis as a combo guy. None played STs coverage teams but that's where Bolden came in as the 4th back. Foster was on the roster as well but as a gameday inactive.

    Now that we have Burkhead, he projects to take over for Bolden as the 4th back who plays STs... but with the added bonus of being a very capable back. And we paid him to play offense at least part-time.

    If you cut Lewis you can elevate Burkhead to that combo back role. But with Gilislee/White to lean on in a committee he should be able to still play STs. And now that 4th RB spot you can devote to a KR specialist. (I know Lewis did it and scored a TD but he wasn't consistent). At the end of the day, you still have your 3 man rotation at RB and you still have a STs coverage ace, but now you've also added a return specialist since the STs coverage guy can double up as a rotational back, something Bolden couldn't do.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Amendola? I agree we need a returner but it's tough to find a spot for one on our gameday active roster. I wonder if Lewis is on the chopping block for one.

    Last year we had Blount as the bruiser, White as the passing back and Lewis as a combo guy. None played STs coverage teams but that's where Bolden came in as the 4th back. Foster was on the roster as well but as a gameday inactive.

    Now that we have Burkhead, he projects to take over for Bolden as the 4th back who plays STs... but with the added bonus of being a very capable back. And we paid him to play offense at least part-time.

    If you cut Lewis you can elevate Burkhead to that combo back role. But with Gilislee/White to lean on in a committee he should be able to still play STs. And now that 4th RB spot you can devote to a KR specialist. (I know Lewis did it and scored a TD but he wasn't consistent). At the end of the day, you still have your 3 man rotation at RB and you still have a STs coverage ace, but now you've also added a return specialist since the STs coverage guy can double up as a rotational back, something Bolden couldn't do.
    I think Lewis will have every opportunity to earn a return role in camp. I agree he wasn't consistent but he also didn't really get many reps at it. Especially coming back from injury, trying to reintegrate into the offense...I'm sure KR and PR wasn't the highest priority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakmont_4 View Post
    I think Lewis will have every opportunity to earn a return role in camp. I agree he wasn't consistent but he also didn't really get many reps at it. Especially coming back from injury, trying to reintegrate into the offense...I'm sure KR and PR wasn't the highest priority.
    I agree. Cutting Lewis saves a paltry $1.3M and that's before factoring in that half of that gets eaten up by his replacement on the roster (minimum salary). There's no purpose whatsoever to cutting him. He will definitely be in camp. Just looking at the roster if they do decide to keep a return specialist this year his spot seems like one that could be at risk to accommodate that. He can make himself that return guy or just play so well at RB (like 2015) that you can't cut him. If I'm doing a 53 man roster he's on it but I do think it's something to watch. They paid Burkhead a lot of money to just play STs and be insurance. I have to think he factors into the RB rotation and his style is most closely resembles Lewis over Gilislee or White. Like I said, I think Lewis' spot is just one to keep an eye on.


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    Ok, I think were pretty close to seeing our 53 man roster in form. The rest of the draft I expect more developmental pieces and guys that are more likely to spend time on the practice squad. Id like to see a CB drafted to push Cyrus Jones in that slot CB spot.

    I dont expect many other moves or major moves this offseason. This hasnt been your typical BB offseason and it seems he really like the core of his team. Hes building this young group together, led by Brady, and will continue to develop them and keep their team chemistry.

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    QB (3) Brady ($14M) / Garroppollo ($1.1M) / Brissett ($0.8) - $15.9M

    Same group as last year. Wont find a better starter or back up around the league. Brissett will be a game day inactive all season barring and injuries.

    RB1 (4) Gillislee ($4.0M) / Burkhead ($3.2) / Lewis (KR) ($1.5M) / Foster ($0.5M) - $9.2M

    Deep group here. I could potentially see knocking Foster off the roster to open up a positional needs elsewhere but with no real contender at the moment he sticks for now. With the versatility of Lewis and the special teams prowess of Burkhead Im not sure we need to carry as many RBs as we usually do. I love how these guys skill sets compliment one anothers. Gillislee figures to take the Blount role. Lewis is that do it all back, as is Burkhead. Burkhead can be the bell cow if called upon as well. I also see Lewis figuring into the return game this season.

    3RDB (1) White ($1.8M) - $1.8M

    White is your true 3rd down back. Hes an excellent pass catcher. Doesnt impress so much running in between the tackles but hes serviceable enough. With new contract in hand, he figures to man this role for a while.

    FB - (1) Develin ($1.2M) - $1.2M

    One of the best remaining FBs in the game. Versatile, team guy who can play multiple positions and special teams. A true BB favorite.

    WR1 (1) Cooks ($1.6M) - $1.6M

    The first legit #1 WR Brady has had since Moss. Itll be exciting to see what Cooks brings to this offense and how he can force other defenses to scheme for him. I think his stats wont show just how important of a role this guy will play for us. Edelman is going to love his presence on the field.

    WR2 (3) Hogan ($3.0M) / Mitchell ($0.7M) / Slater (ST) ($1.7M) - $5.4M

    Hogan was extremely solid last year, should be even better with Cooks on the opposing side. Mitchell showed a ton of promise as a rookie. Hes burried a little bit here but hell find ways to make an impact when called upon. Slater is still a ST ace and the leader in the locker room.

    SLT (2) Edelman ($5.6M) / Amendola (KR, PR) ($3.0M) - $8.6M

    Edelman had an up and down season last year but remains one of, it not the best slot WR in the game. Having Cooks taking the other teams #1 CBs attention should make Edelmans life a little easier. Amendola took his 3rd pay cut in a row and I think hes close to a roster lock (many disagree). Hes the ultimate team guy, Brady trusts him, hes clutch and he can factor in on PR and KRs, an area where we lacked depth and a reliable man last year. Dola will sure this up as finding PT as a WR will be more difficult this season.

    TE1 - (1) Gronkowski ($6.6M) - $6.6M

    The best TE in the game when healthy.

    TE2 - (2) Allen ($4.9M) / Lengal ($0.5M) - $5.4

    Allen should be a more than serviceable #2 TE. Hes a great blocker and he has reliable hands. Hes not a move TE and isnt the athlete Bennett was last year, but he will have a role in the offense.

    LT - (2) Solder ($11.2M) / Garcia ($0.8M) $12.0M

    LG - (1) Thuney ($0.8M) - $0.8M

    OC - (1) Andrews ($0.6M)
    $0.6M

    RG - (2) Mason ($0.7M) / Karras ($.06M) - $1.3M

    RT - (2) Cannan ($3.4M) / Flemming ($1.8M) - $5.2M

    This group had a very solid campaign last year. Solder and Cannon are the leaders of this group. Thuney and Mason leave something to be desired but they are young and still improving. Another year with Scar should make a difference. I love the Garcia pick, he needs to develop a little bit but he looks like a guy who could potentially replace Solder. Scar and BB love Karras and I think he battles for a starting spot this year. Flemming has flashed at times but lacks consistency. He reminds me a lot of Cannon before last yearLets hope another year makes a world or difference like it did with Cannon.

    26 Players - $75.6M

    RDE (2) Flowers ($0.8M) / Ealy ($0.9M) - $1.7M

    Flowers won the starting job last year and never looked back. Hes been great and hopefully takes another step forward this year. Ealy assumes the role of Long last year. I think hes an underrated guy who can play a specific role very well in this defense.

    NT (2) Branch ($3.1M) / Valentine ($0.7M) - $3.8M

    Branch had another very solid year last year anchoring this defense. Hes getting long in the tooth but should have another good season. Valentine showed promise as a rookie and hopefully can continue that progress.

    LDE (2) Brown ($2.1M) / Guy ($2.6M) - $4.7M

    Brown has been inconsistent at times. Hes shown flashes of speed, quickness and utter domination. Other times he disappears. He seemed to play better on the outside rather than at NT last year. Guy is a do it all, blue collar hard working type guy who will fit in perfectly in a BB defense.

    SLB (2) Ninkovich ($2.3M) / Rivers ($0.8M) - $3.1M

    Ninko is getting old but hes still solid as can be. I love the Rivers pick. Perfect back up for Ninko to mentor. He can play down or up and should be a better pass rusher than Nink ever was. Still a bit raw and needs some work. But he should be able to play this year in a small specific role.

    ILB (2) Hightower ($4.5M) / Freeny ($1.8M) - $6.3M

    Hightower is back in fold to lead this defense. Hes a solid player who just needs his snaps managed during the season. Hes at his best in the playoffs, we just need to get him there healthy. With no other LBs in toe at the moment, I think Freeny makes a reappearance on the squad after spending last year on IR. He can play ST and is a decent 1-2 down LB.

    ILB (2) Van Noy ($1.1M) / Roberts (ST) ($0.6M) - $1.7M

    Van Noy really came into his own last year once traded to the Patriots. Versatile guy who can do anything from call the plays, man the middle and rush the passer. I think well see him line up all over the place in this defense. Roberts showed some promise early last year before fading once Van Noy came aboard. But Roberts can contribute on ST.

    WSL (1) McClellin ($3.2M) - $3.2M

    Shea plays well in a small sub package role. Hes another versatile guy who can play multiple positions. Hes serviceable enough and makes plays when called upon. What more can you ask for.

    CB1 (2) Gilmore ($8.6) / Jones (ST) ($0.6M) - $9.2M

    Gilmore is a great outside CB. Inconsistent at times but I think hes a fantastic addition to this team. His arrival bumps Butler to the #2 CB spot. This is a very strong group. Jon Jones had an impressive rookie year in a limited role. Hes already a ST ace and has shown promise at CB.


    CB2 (2) Butler ($3.9M) / Rowe ($0.9M) - $4.8M

    The disgruntled Butler is still on the team, it seems his only option to get paid is to man up and have another great season. That should work in both parties interest. I think Butler will play some slot at times with Rowe manning the other outside CB spot. I like these 2 guys, theyre physical and scrappy. They play hard. Right up BBs alley.

    NCB (1) C. Jones ($0.9M) - $0.9M

    The biggest question mark on this team, the nickel CB slot. Jones was drafted last year to fill in here and in the return game but disappointed in his rookie campaign. He was better playing CB than returning but thats not saying much. If he can step up this spot is his for the taking. There really isnt another player in the secondary whos meant to play here. If Jones cant handle the duty, I think itll be split between Butler and McCourty.

    FS (3) McCourty ($10.9) / Harmon ($3.5M) / King (ST) ($0.6M) - $15.0M

    McCourtys still one of the best center fielders in the game. His range is outstanding and hes a fantastic leader. One of the top FS in the game. Harmon is back in the fold and plays a big role as a 3rd safety in this defense. King the ST ace returns again.

    SS (3) Chung ($5.4M) / Richards (ST) ($1.0M) / Ebner (ST) ($1.2M) - $7.6M

    Chung is getting a bit older but is still solid in the box safety. Hes a great tackler and isnt afraid to line up on a RB or TE. Richards needs to show something in camp or he may be out. Hes had a disappointing first 2 seasons. Ebner, yet another ST ace is back for another season. Overall the S group is once again one of the strongest positional groups on this team.

    24 Players - $62M

    K (1) Gostkowski ($4.5M) - $4.5M
    P (1) Allen ($1.9M) - $1.9M
    LS (1) Cardona ($0.7M) $0.7M

    Same, solid group as last year

    3 players - $7.1M

    Total Cap Number - $144.7M
    Cap Space - $22.3M
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    The Bills fire their GM and whole scouting staff. That's what happens when you don't manage your cap, draft poorly and lose your best players to a division rival.

    BB will have to find a new farm team.

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    My current 53 man guess:

    QB (3) - Brady, Garappolo, Brissett

    Not really much to discuss here. I think Jimmy will be tagged after the season.

    RB (4) - Gillislee, White, Lewis, Burkhead

    Could keep a 5th guy here but I think we'll stick with just a really good top 4 heading into the season. Foster and maybe UDFA LeShun Daniels I think will be practice squad guys but I think we go for depth at other spots for the active roster since the top 4 is so solid.

    FB (1) - Develin

    Yeah, not much to say here. He's our only FB and contributes on STs.

    WR (6) - Cooks, Edleman, Hogan, Mitchell, Amendola, Slater

    Probably as loaded a depth chart as we've ever had here. I think Amendola will be leaned on in the return game since his role figures to be reduced to more of a depth role. That means they'll all be active. Look for us to be a heavy 3 WR offense this year with so much depth here.

    TE (2) - Gronkowski, Allen

    I went light here. Like I said above, we'll be a heavy 3 WR team. We also have Cam Fleming who can be the 3rd TE in heavy sets. We'll keep an emergency TE on the practice squad in case there's an injury. With Gronk's extensive injury history it'd be great to have a 3rd guy active but non of the guys we have vying for that 3rd spot are anything special.

    OT (5): Solder, Cannon, Fleming, Garcia, McDermott

    Since Fleming is doubling up as our 3rd TE I kept an extra guy here. LT prospects don't grow on trees. I guess McDermott was highly thought of coming into the year and we moved up for him so I'm guessing they like him. After the season we can just let Solder/Fleming go and still be set at OT if the rookies pan out.

    OG/C (4): Thuney, Mason, Andrews, Karras

    Same as last year. Looking for a couple practice squad bodies though. Looking to see if Thuney/Mason can continue to develop this year.

    EDGE (5): Flowers, Ninkovich, Ealy, Rivers, Wise

    I like Wise but he waits his turn for a role. Rivers should be able to play STs with his athleticism and be a pass rush specialist. Hopefully Ealy breaks out here.

    DL (4): Branch, Brown, Guy, Valentine

    I like Valentine but I had to make him my last gameday inactive in a numbers crunch. His skill set is just kind of duplicate as a run stuffer and we spend so much time in sub packages. Guy hopefully adds a little pass rush inside.

    LB (5): Hightower, McClellin, Van Noy, Langi, Roberts

    Gonna hop on the hype train for Langi who I guess BB loves. He gets an active roster spot over Roberts for STs, since Roberts' limited speed/athleticism hurts him in that area. I wanted another starting caliber player here but they'll have to roll with what they had last year.

    CB (6): Gilmore, Butler, Rowe, C. Jones, J. Jones, Thomas

    Butler gets first crack at the slot with Rowe/Gilmore outside. C. Jones I think will turn it around and be OK depth. J. Jones is a STs ace. I'l go with Dwayne Thomas as another UDFA that sticks.

    S (5): McCourty, Chung, Harmon, Ebner, King

    I squeezed Richards off the roster. He was a gameday inactive all last year. We'll keep a SS type on the practice squad because we don't have a real backup to Chung but the reality is that Richards isn't a good one either.

    ST (3): Gostowski, Allen, Cardona


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