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    Nice move by the team to boost Chung's incentives.
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    ^^^^^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by fla.sticky View Post
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    David Harris (former NY Jet) signs with the Pats... 2 years

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    10:25AM: Former Jets LB David Harris has agreed to a two-year deal with the New England Patriots, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.
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    Harris and Hightower at LB probably won't work on 3rd down or against heavy passing teams. Hightower could play more DE this year though which would be awesome.


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    LB depth and he's an iron man, which is nice. I can see the fit. Wants to try and get a ring before calling it a career, so he'll be dialed in.
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    Harris signing is good stuff,veteran guy who should be of great service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    Harris and Hightower at LB probably won't work on 3rd down or against heavy passing teams. Hightower could play more DE this year though which would be awesome.
    Harris is probably only a 2 down backer at this point in his career. But he's still solid on 1-2 downs. You're right, I think this frees up High to rush the passer more. He can truly play that Jamie Collins role now and Harris can man the middle. This is a big upgrade and much needed position to fill.

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    With the NBA and NHL offseason coming to a standstill, I'm getting excited about the fast approaching NFL season. Wanted to reignite the board and make my first 53 man roster prediction.

    2017 Roster Prediction

    OFFENSE

    Bold = Starter
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    Scheme: The Patriots have been running the same offensive scheme for years now but it continues to evolve based on their personal. The past few seasons this offense relied on their TE, Gronkowski, to be their #1 Target, but with many injuries over the years the Patriots went out and acquired a top end WR who can truly stretch the field in Brandin Cooks. Cooks will now be the defacto #1 option and should draw considerable attention. This should free up Gronk and Edelman who will now get less attention, which bodes well considering they are the best players in the league at their respective positions. The addition of Gillislee and Burkhead and a return to health for Dion Lewis only improves this teams run game and provides them will plenty of options and guys who can do it all. Look for this to be one of the best offensive teams youve ever seen. At least on paper, well see how it all unfolds on the field. Assuming health, this group should be special.

    QB (3) Brady ($14M) / Garroppollo ($1.1M) / Brissett ($0.8M) - $15.9M

    Obviously a formidable bunch here. Brady is undoubtable the best QB to ever play the game, and even at 40 years old is showing no signs of slowing down. We can count on him to be his usual self for another season barring any injury. Garrappollo is one of the better, if not the best backup QBs in the game. If an unfortunate injury did occur to Mr. Brady, the Patriots are still in good hands. Brissett is still a project but has a high IQ and character. He has some physical tools that separate him from the 2 guys in front of him but still needs refinement in his game. Theyll carry him on the roster but he will be a game day inactive week in and week out, barring injury of course.

    RB1 (3) Gillislee ($4.0M) / Lewis (KR, PR) ($1.5M) / Burkhead ($3.2M) - $8.7M

    I really like the versatility of this group. Gillislee projects to be the lead back taking over Blounts role. Gillislee is a big back that can move, much like his predecessor. Hell likely be on the field for downs 1 and 2 and moving aside for a quicker back with better hands on 3rd down. If Lewis can regain his form from 2015 this group could really be special, remains to be seen. Burkhead is a do it all back. He can run in between the tackles and catch anything you throw at him. Hes also an ace on special teams which is a huge plus and allows us to carry 1 less back than usual.

    3RDB (1) White ($1.8M) - $1.8M

    James White is just as reliable as they come. He runs nice routes, hes a decent blocker, and not much of a runner. His impact is in the passing game and hes very good at it. He got a nice contract this offseason after a huge Super Bowl performance. He took a big leap from 2015 to 2016, lets hope this progress can continue. Hes always had the potential, just hasnt shown it on a consistent basis.

    FB - (1) Develin ($1.4M) - $1.2M

    A BB favorite and another versatile guy. Hes one of the best lead blocking FBs in the game. Hes a great locker room guy with high character and can also spot fill in at TE when called upon. Another solid ST player as well.

    WR1 (1) Cooks ($1.6M) - $1.6M

    The first true deep threat Brady has had since Randy Moss. Early reports are that Cooks and Brady have hit it off from the get go. Look for this to be a big year for Cooks. His impact will be felt more than the numbers will show come years end. Hell put up solid numbers (somewhere around 1,100yds and 5TDs) but his biggest impact will be felt with the other pass catchers. The attention Cooks will draw will benefit the likes of Gronkowski, Edelman and Hogan the most.

    WR2 (3) Hogan ($3.0M) / Mitchell ($0.7M) / Slater (ST) ($1.6M) - $5.3M

    Hogan had a nice year in 2016 and really fit in seamlessly with this team. Hes not a burner but he can get open down the field. Last year he was often matched up against the other teams top CB and still managed to put up some good numbers. This year I think hell make even bigger plays with the presence of Cooks on the roster. Mitchell had a great rookie season last year, the first time maybe ever that a rookie WR was able to break into BBs complex offense and make an instant impact. The presence of Cooks this season may limit some of his reps but hes a smart guy and Im sure he will take advantage of the opportunities he gets. Slater wont factor into the offense unless injuries decimate this group. But Slater is still a top STer in this league and I dont expect that to change this upcoming season.

    SLT (2) Edelman ($7.4M) / Amendola (KR, PR) ($3.0) - $10.4M

    Edelman is the best slot WR in the game. He is 100% on the same page as Brady at all times. Last year he dropped more passes than were used to seeing, so this is one area to pay attention to this season. He should benefit heavily from the presence of Cooks on the outside. Dola took a paycut to stay on the team. Hes Mr. Reliable and I expect he makes the final 53, even if hes a game day inactive more often than not. His best chance at being active is to impact the KR and PR games where hes solid. Edelman is the more dynamic returner but his large role in offense isnt ideal for additional ST use. But he will be available in certain situations.

    TE1 - (1) Gronkowski ($6.8M) - $6.6M

    The best TE in the game when healthy. As with every season, we need Gronk to be healthy. We can still win without him (just reference last season) but the offense is certainly more explosive when this big guy is on the field. His impact is felt everywhere from the passing game to the running game. A full season of Gronk can only make this offense that much better.

    TE2 (2) Allen ($4.9M) / OShaunnessy ($0.6M) - $5.5

    Allen has struggled this far in OTAs, but thats not unusual for new players trying to grasp a complex offensive scheme. Ultimately I think he will figure it out. Allen isnt a huge name but hes a solid blocker and red zone target. His role will be minimal but he can contribute effectively. OShaunessy is similar to Allen. He wont be heard of much unless injury strikes but hes had some success in the NFL already and if anyone can use his strength effectively, that would be BB. Barring injury hes a likely candidate to be a game day inactive

    LT (2) Solder ($11.2M) / Garcia ($0.7M) - $11.9M

    Solder had a solid season last year with Scar back, I expect he will again this season, especially in a contract year. Garcia is a bit of a project but has some real physical tools. If anyone can harness his ability affectively its Scar.

    LG (1) Thuney ($0.8M) - $0.8M

    Thuney had a real up and down 2016 campaign. Hopefully he can build off of this rookie season and come back even better in 2017.

    OC - (1) Andrews ($1.3M) $1.3M

    Andrews isnt anything special, but he gets the job done.

    RG - (2) Mason ($0.7M)
    / Karras ($0.6M) - $1.3M

    Mason is still coming into his own. Hes a very good run blocker but still needs work in the passing game. I expect another year with Scar will help improve and take another step forward this year. Karras has been around for a while now and seems to be a BB and Scar favorite. If Mason or Thuney take a step back dont be shocked if Karras finds his way into the starting line up.

    RT - (2) Cannon ($3.4M) / McDermott ($0.5M) - $3.9M

    Cannon had an unexpected All Pro season last year and graded out as the best RT in the game last season. Lets hope he can keep up that pace and help solidify this line. McDermott may end up on the practice squad as hes a project but Waddle and Flemming are nothing special. Id rather develop McDermott and get him some game action where possible, more often than not though hell be a game day inactive.

    25 Players - $76.2M

    Overall Offensive Outlook:

    Overall this offense should be one of the best, if not the best in the league this year. It all starts with Brady of course. But this is the best group hes had around him since 2007, if not ever. A backfield full of talented and versatile backs. A solid offensive line. The best TE in the game, with serviceable back up options should he get injured and a WR core that boasts a legitimate deep threat in Cooks, the best slot WR in the game and serviceable members in Hogan, Mitchell and Amendola. This offense should be special and will light up the score board week after week.

    DEFENSE

    Scheme: The base defense will be BBs prototypical 3-4, however weve seen a shift in recent years to more defensive backs on the field for the majority of downs. Last season BB found a way to utilize a nickel scheme into his 3-4 base defense, especially once Collins was traded. BB still utilized his basic 3-4 scheme but he moved SS Patrick Chung into more of a LB role and started 2 FS in McCourty and Harmon. With Harmon getting his big payday and Chung re-working his deal into a raise, I expect more of the same this year. BB will utilize 2 big DTs in the middle (NT 0T and DT 3T), a DE also playing the 3T. 2 OLB at the LOS standing or hand on the ground, 1 LB in the middle. SS in the middle. 2 lock down CBs and 2 very good FS roaming the middle of the field. This new base defense is much more versatile than in years past and can line up against most formations. Personnel will still change frequently but Ive aligned this depth chart to mirror the Base/Nickle formation BB employed last year.

    DT (2) Brown ($2.1M) / Guy ($2.6M) - $4.7M

    Playing the DT position (3T) is where Brown will play the majority of his snaps. He most of his success in this position last season. When Branch needs a blow at NT, Brown may kick to the 0T at times as well. Brown has been inconsistent thus far in his young career but has certainly shown flashes of what he can do. I hope he can cement a spot in the starting rotation this year. Guy was a nice under the radar type pick up for the Patriots. Another versatile guy who can play all across the line. I dont expect him to start but he will see a fairly prominent role on this team. He can do a little bit of everything for a big guy.

    NT (2) Branch ($3.8M) / Valentine ($0.7M) - $4.5M

    Branch had another great season last year and was re-upped for another. I expect him to be much of the same. He has a massive body and can really tie up the LOS. He can rush the passer at times as well. Valentine is still growing but showed solid signs last year and I expect another full year in this defense should help.

    LDE (2) Flowers ($0.8M) / Ealy ($0.9M) - $1.7M

    Flowers burst onto the scene last year and was the teams #1 sack artist last year. By week 6 he was challenging Sheard for the starting job and finally overtook it, holding it the rest of the way. Flowers had a great Super Bowl and should continue to improve. Ealy was an offseason trade and has been a bit of a disappointment thus far in his career but has had some really nice moments (see DEN Super Bowl). In a limited role he should do well in a scheme that fits his playing style well.

    SLB (2) Ninkovich ($2.5M) / Rivers ($0.7M) - $3.2M

    Ninkovich is getting long in the tooth but is still a fundamentally solid player. Hes fantastic against the run and is as durable as they come. Great locker room presence as well. Rivers will benefit from learning from Nink. Rivers, considered by many the steal of the draft, has some pretty big upside. Hes raw but I think if anyone can get the most out of him year one, its BB. Going forward I expect Rivers to follow the path Collins once took, a guy with a minimal role to start the season but by the end playing a prominent role on this defense.

    ILB (2) Harris ($2.8M) / Roberts (ST) ($0.6M) - $3.4M

    Harris was a late offseason addition but could be a massive steal. Harris has been a solid LBer for what seems to be ages in the NFL and BB is very familiar with him. Harris has never been the most athletic guy but his instincts are second to none. Hes a saavy vet who fits the BB mold perfectly. At this point I expect hes only a 2 down LB, but thats no problem in this defense. When Harris comes off the field Hightower can shift over and man the middle on passing downs. Roberts came on strong last year and proved to be a serviceable starter and a solid ST contributor. Roberts is mainly a downhill run stuffing LB, with limited ability to cover. Hell mainly be a situational player and full time STer.

    SS/LB (2) Chung ($6.2M) / Van Noy (ST) ($1.1M) - $7.3M

    Chung mans the other LB spot, only in name. BBs base/hybrid defense calls for Chung to play more in the box (where hes meant to play) and less ranging in space. He can stop the run or cover a TE/RB from this area much better than a LB could. This gives BB and Patricia a ton of flexibility personnel wise and not have to make as many substitutions. Chung can essentially be a LB or a nickle back or a 3rd safety, whatever you want to call him, he can do it all. He slipped a bit last year but not to the point of concern. BB gave him a raise in the offseason so he certainly hasnt lost confidence here. Van Noy will also see some snaps here in pass rushing situations, more likely in a different formation but Van Noys versatility allows him to rush the passer or cover if needed.

    WLB (2) Hightower ($5.3M)
    / McClellin ($3.2M) - $8.5M

    With the addition of Harris, Hightower can now kick down to more of a pass rushing role which he truly excels at. Hell kick inside on passing downs and allow McClellin/Van Noy to rush as well, but Hightower can now mostly focus on hitting the passer and disrupting the LOS. McClellin is a bit more rangy but less powerful and skilled. He was serviceable last year and can also make an impact on ST.

    CB1 (3) Gilmore ($8.6) / Coleman ($0.6M) / Jones (ST) ($0.6M) - $9.8M

    Gilmore was the big offseason addition. With Gilmore in fold BB now has 2 lock down CBs on the outside, something he hasnt had in quite some time. Gilmore will excel in this brand of defense. From everything Ive seen so far hes a humble hardworking guy who will fit in seamlessly. Coleman has been solid these past few seasons, hes nothing special but hes reliable and can get the job done. Hes a nice depth piece. Jonathon Jones came on strong last year as an UDFA. I thought he played well in limited snaps but really contributed on ST. He wont see much time on defense barring an injury.

    CB2 (2) Butler ($3.9M) / Rowe ($0.9M) - $4.8M

    Butler held down the #1 CB spot last year but at times was overmatched with bigger WRs or smaller shifty WRs. Having Gilmore on the other side will only help. Butler is in another contract year so I expect his best, he wants to get PAID as we all know. This will only benefit the Patriots because when he plays with a chip on his shoulder, hes one of the best CBs in the game. This duo should be one of the best in the NFL in 2017. Rowe played well last season and really matches up well against bigger WRs. He gives BB and Patricia some flexibility in creating favorable matchups.

    NCB (2) C. Jones ($0.9M) - $0.9M

    Jones is only the nickel CB by name, mainly because this roster doesnt boast a true nickel CB outside of Jones whos been very disappointing since coming to Foxborough. He needs to make his impact on ST first, which has been a roller coaster to say the least, before he can start contributing on defense. Butler in all likelihood will kick inside to start the season. If Jones can play his way onto the field, itll only bolster this already good defense.

    FS1 (2) McCourty ($10.9) / King (ST) ($0.6M) - $11.5M

    McCourty is one of the best FS in the game. Hes at his best when roaming the center of the field and doesnt let much get behind him. With 2 lock down CBs on the outside I expect he makes some more game changing plays this season than weve seen in the past. King is a STer through and through but a top notch one at that.

    FS2 (2) Harmon ($3.5M) / Ebner (ST) ($1.2M) - $4.7M

    Harmon is your second FS and hes a damn good one. Hes a playmaker who sometimes lets plays get behind him, but he also can make some truly spectacular plays. More often than not hes always in the right place. Ebner, like King, is a STer but has had some field time and played pretty well in a pinch.

    25 Players - $65.4M

    Overall Defensive Outlook:

    For a defense that was top 10 last year and won a Super Bowl, I think this defense is actually being underrated right now (partly because the offense is so good as well). This defense could truly be special. The talent throughout is very good and on all 3 tiers. The defensive line has 2 very solid anchors in the middle in Branch and Brown. They can rush the passer with a combination of guys in High, Trey, Rivers, Ealy, Van Noy. Harris adds a nice veteran presence up the middle with Hightower also stepping in. This should be one of the better defensive backfields in the league with 2 lock down corners on the outside, a top FS and another very good FS. Chung is the do it all jack of all trades who can tackle, cover and make plays. With talent like this and defensive minds like BB and Patricia, the sky is the limit for this group. This may be a top 3 defense league wide and still not be the best unit on the team.

    K (1) Gostkowski ($4.5M) - $4.5M
    P (1) Allen ($1.9M) - $1.9M
    LS (1) Cardona ($0.7M) $0.7M

    3 Players - $7.1M

    Total Roster - $148.7M
    Salary Cap - $167.0M
    Dead Money - $4M (Projected)
    Cap Space - $14.3M

    We should fairly easily be able to roll over $10M to next years cap once dead money and in season moves are accounted for.
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    ^ 4th rounder Deatrich Wise I'm sure will make it. I also don't think they trust two rookies as the backup OTs and let Fleming go.

    I think Fleming replaces either McDermott or O'Shaunessy. Looking at the roster I'd say a 6th CB would be unnecessary because we have Safeties that can play the slot. So bump off Coleman for Wise.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    ^ 4th rounder Deatrich Wise I'm sure will make it. I also don't think they trust two rookies as the backup OTs and let Fleming go.

    I think Fleming replaces either McDermott or O'Shaunessy. Looking at the roster I'd say a 6th CB would be unnecessary because we have Safeties that can play the slot. So bump off Coleman for Wise.
    Yeah, I was trying to get Wise on the roster but just couldn't do it realistically. I suppose a Coleman swap out would work but that would be assuming/relying on either of the Jones to play a predominant role defensively if an injury pops up. Not sure I'm comfortable with that. I was also thinking about PS and players they could get onto the PS realistically when the cut downs come. If Coleman is cut, he's certain to be scooped by another team. Wise, though risky, I'm not so certain he wouldn't clear waivers and then make his way onto the roster at a later date. It is risky though.

    Personally I think Fleming is trash and it wouldn't be the first time in recent history where 2 rookie OL have been expected to play larger roles.

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    I thought Fleming was very solid last year when called upon to start. I think he's one of our more underrated players. Then again, it's not like I focused on him every snap. I just thought he did a pretty good job.

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